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Showing Original Post only (View all)For the "let's wait for the facts" crowd. We already have several facts. [View all]
I have some 5 essential FACTS about the Mike Brown case. These are not in dispute & agreed upon by all sides.
1. According to the Police Chief Officer Darren Wilson DID NOT know about the stolen cigars & all agree the stop was just about jaywalking.
2. A struggle ensued at the window of the car. Dorian Johnson & 4 eyewitnesses saw it ONE way. We can assume Officer Wilson sees it another
3. Mike Brown fled on foot and got about 35 feet away from the truck. His body was found 35 feet away from the truck. So key.
4. Mike Brown was unarmed from start to finish. This is never in dispute.
5. Officer did not file a report and almost no witnesses were interviewed the day of the murder. This was well before DOJ intervention.
So, now that those 5 facts are clear. Let's agree they are all important. However, I want to speak on two facts in particular.
Mike Brown's lifeless body was found about 33 feet from the police SUV. Brains on the ground. Blood everywhere. He died there.
It is being reported by friends & family of Darren Wilson that Mike Brown ran 35 feet away, turned around & ran full speed at the officer.
Beyond this sounding preposterous for 82 different reasons, the FACTS show that Mike Brown's body was found 35 feet from the SUV.
The FACTS suggest that Mike Brown ran 35 feet, then TURNED AROUND (as 4 eyewitnesses say) and was shot/killed in that very spot. Facts.
Are you tracking with me? Beyond zero eyewitnesses saying that he ran full speed at the fully armed officer, facts show he didn't.
Next, let me expound on what @JoyAnnReid helped me clarify just now. Just speaking about facts here. No conjecture.
Officer Darren Wilson DID NOT write his own police report of the incident, but the report that was filed from the store references 2 reports
These 2 reports, filed by officers who were not actually at the scene of the murder, have not been released. We know little of them.
Also, it is reported that the Department of Justice asked Ferguson PD to do/not to do certain things. I need to speak on that.
Fact. The Ferguson police department DID NOT interview several key witnesses BEFORE the DOJ ever even heard this case existed. A choice.
People continue to say, "let's wait for the facts" but plenty of facts exist. In fact, a lot of facts exist.
What 4 different witnesses saw is not opinion, but fact. W/O talking to each other or knowing each other, they all reported the same thing.
And again, I accept that eye witnesses are unreliable, but it was a clear day on a clear street with no traffic. Furthermore...
The FACTS of the physical evidence match completely with the eyewitnesses that Brown ran, was hit, turned around, surrendered, then executed
I just want us to be clear that we aren't fact-less right now. Yes, we need more facts, but the ones that exist are revealing.
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1. According to the Police Chief Officer Darren Wilson DID NOT know about the stolen cigars & all agree the stop was just about jaywalking.
2. A struggle ensued at the window of the car. Dorian Johnson & 4 eyewitnesses saw it ONE way. We can assume Officer Wilson sees it another
3. Mike Brown fled on foot and got about 35 feet away from the truck. His body was found 35 feet away from the truck. So key.
4. Mike Brown was unarmed from start to finish. This is never in dispute.
5. Officer did not file a report and almost no witnesses were interviewed the day of the murder. This was well before DOJ intervention.
So, now that those 5 facts are clear. Let's agree they are all important. However, I want to speak on two facts in particular.
Mike Brown's lifeless body was found about 33 feet from the police SUV. Brains on the ground. Blood everywhere. He died there.
It is being reported by friends & family of Darren Wilson that Mike Brown ran 35 feet away, turned around & ran full speed at the officer.
Beyond this sounding preposterous for 82 different reasons, the FACTS show that Mike Brown's body was found 35 feet from the SUV.
The FACTS suggest that Mike Brown ran 35 feet, then TURNED AROUND (as 4 eyewitnesses say) and was shot/killed in that very spot. Facts.
Are you tracking with me? Beyond zero eyewitnesses saying that he ran full speed at the fully armed officer, facts show he didn't.
Next, let me expound on what @JoyAnnReid helped me clarify just now. Just speaking about facts here. No conjecture.
Officer Darren Wilson DID NOT write his own police report of the incident, but the report that was filed from the store references 2 reports
These 2 reports, filed by officers who were not actually at the scene of the murder, have not been released. We know little of them.
Also, it is reported that the Department of Justice asked Ferguson PD to do/not to do certain things. I need to speak on that.
Fact. The Ferguson police department DID NOT interview several key witnesses BEFORE the DOJ ever even heard this case existed. A choice.
People continue to say, "let's wait for the facts" but plenty of facts exist. In fact, a lot of facts exist.
What 4 different witnesses saw is not opinion, but fact. W/O talking to each other or knowing each other, they all reported the same thing.
And again, I accept that eye witnesses are unreliable, but it was a clear day on a clear street with no traffic. Furthermore...
The FACTS of the physical evidence match completely with the eyewitnesses that Brown ran, was hit, turned around, surrendered, then executed
I just want us to be clear that we aren't fact-less right now. Yes, we need more facts, but the ones that exist are revealing.
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For the "let's wait for the facts" crowd. We already have several facts. [View all]
MohRokTah
Aug 2014
OP
Then you might want to rewrite the first fact to omit the reference to the cigarillos
Ms. Toad
Aug 2014
#36
Pretty much this now^^^ more of the I am OK and got mine ...wait as this becomes an acceptable
lunasun
Aug 2014
#47
Why do you give the word of one cop, with a history of abusive behavior, equal weight
nomorenomore08
Aug 2014
#82
Agreed. The police officer is still legally innocent until a jury decides otherwise.
NaturalHigh
Aug 2014
#94
So, anyone who ever agrees with the police about anything is, per se, a racist?
ColesCountyDem
Aug 2014
#19
No, but if you insist on giving them "the benefit of the doubt" despite a clear pattern
nomorenomore08
Aug 2014
#80
Other then some one photoshopped a colored flag into a black and white picture
FreakinDJ
Aug 2014
#62
If you give all these folks the benefit of the doubt, then why not Mike Brown?
nomorenomore08
Aug 2014
#83
Because it seems so hard for you to believe that anyone else did anything wrong.
nomorenomore08
Aug 2014
#88
If the peace officer has/had PTSD, fear, panic, he shouldn't have been an officer.
R B Garr
Aug 2014
#49
That's why I was curious about the length of time the sequence of shots occurred.
R B Garr
Aug 2014
#50
I suspect the fact digging has St. Louis-Ferguson establishment and law enforcement scared shitless.
gordianot
Aug 2014
#6
Since the police chief apparently has neo-confederate leanings, no surprise there.
MohRokTah
Aug 2014
#10
I think what they try to say is "let's wait for all the evidence" which is STUPID.
MohRokTah
Aug 2014
#28
All respect to you. With regard to #1, I'm almost certain now that Brown didn't steal anything, not
VanGoghRocks
Aug 2014
#33
Hmm, well, none of us have heard what Mr. Johnson actually has to say. We have
VanGoghRocks
Aug 2014
#92
MohRokTah said 'For the "let's wait for the facts" crowd. We already have several facts.'
cleduc
Aug 2014
#78
I have a feeling we're all going to be disappointed with the outcome here. N/t
Calista241
Aug 2014
#106