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hack89

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45. There are fundamental differences though

Fri Aug 22, 2014, 04:21 AM

Aug 2014

Last edited Wed Aug 27, 2014, 01:23 PM - Edit history (2)

The Israelis have effectively walled off the Palestinians - there have been no suicide bombings in a long time. Hamas' ability to kill Jews is extremely limited and with the blockade will remain so.

The IRA and ANC won by making their countries ungovernable. Hamas can't do that to Israel.

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Israel claims it is defending itself, but I have a question. [View all] Viva_Daddy Aug 2014 OP

There are rockets being fired at Israel hack89 Aug 2014 #1

That's what they tell me. Iggo Aug 2014 #5

Even if you don't have a tv leftynyc Aug 2014 #67

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #78

There are rockets being fired in both directions, in response to each other Recursion Aug 2014 #20

So perhaps Hamas needs to rethink their tactics hack89 Aug 2014 #33

I think they're following the template pretty closely Recursion Aug 2014 #42

There are fundamental differences though hack89 Aug 2014 #45

This is an excellent point. joshcryer Aug 2014 #50

Carry on blaming the victims intaglio Aug 2014 #56

Hamas is not a victim hack89 Aug 2014 #64

But Palestinians are the victims of Israeli oppression intaglio Aug 2014 #65

hamas is a terrorist organization that leftynyc Aug 2014 #69

hamas is a victim? leftynyc Aug 2014 #68

As you replied to my other post you know why it can be said intaglio Aug 2014 #72

I don't support the actions leftynyc Aug 2014 #74

Since the oppression of the Palestinians began with the formation of Israel intaglio Aug 2014 #75

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #41

I fired a rocket at my neighbors house on the 4th snooper2 Aug 2014 #93

Netanyahu was looking for any excuse to end the "peace negotiations". 4now Aug 2014 #2

I don't think Netanyahu wants peace. Viva_Daddy Aug 2014 #10

And the natural gas fields off the coast of Gaza... truth2power Aug 2014 #11

The really big gas fields are not off Gaza hack89 Aug 2014 #46

Oh. tut-tut Israel and the energy companies need that gas to make money intaglio Aug 2014 #57

Yeah, I was going to say that, in response... truth2power Aug 2014 #84

Does a town need to be destroyed to meet your definition of "defeneded"? ManiacJoe Aug 2014 #3

Yes. The IDF has proved to be very good at killing innocent children. 4now Aug 2014 #4

They are also good at killing Hamas members. ManiacJoe Aug 2014 #6

217 were armed militants - 1396 were Palestinian civilians 4now Aug 2014 #9

those numbers are coming from hamas Mosby Aug 2014 #13

No they are not 4now Aug 2014 #15

This ^^^^ intaglio Aug 2014 #58

The Israeli government is lying. Bald face lies. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #7

True. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #34

But hamas tells the truth? leftynyc Aug 2014 #70

Israel is not "defending" itself. It has already defeated its enemy and is now an occupying force. Maedhros Aug 2014 #8

This thread feels like a weird reprieve from the crushing weight elias49 Aug 2014 #12

No, this is very much like Ferguson. Viva_Daddy Aug 2014 #14

Yeah, but the difference is we know how the MidEast will end elias49 Aug 2014 #17

"Darkies" -your word-like her DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #81

Are you kidding? Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #16

When was the last suicide bombing in Israel? (nt) Recursion Aug 2014 #19

Search it yourself and get to the point Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #21

I think the point's pretty clear... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #48

You sure? Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #61

I'm sure. I'm happy to talk you through it till you get it... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #62

Right before Israel build a big wall hack89 Aug 2014 #47

Oh, yeah. That big wall Israel built that took a shitload of the West Bank... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #49

I keep coming back to this: why is Israel blocking *exports* from Gaza? Recursion Aug 2014 #18

It's a sanction if nothing else. Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #22

Nope. Israel has to claim it's for security, otherwise it's an act of war Recursion Aug 2014 #23

Well their we patently disagree. That's fine. Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Aug 2014 #27

The UN determined the blockade is legal leftynyc Aug 2014 #71

Because a boat leaving had to arrive to begin with. joshcryer Aug 2014 #51

Forbidding all offloading isn't very difficult Recursion Aug 2014 #99

I don't see how Israel couldn't allow everything but weapons to come in. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #82

I'm not talking about letting anything into Gaza. They're blocking *exports* Recursion Aug 2014 #88

When you attack someone you take the consequences. former9thward Aug 2014 #24

There are no such photos malaise Aug 2014 #25

Hard to feel sorry for Palestinians nookworld Aug 2014 #28

So, attempting to defend their rights is futile? They should just give Israel what it wants? BillZBubb Aug 2014 #30

It's futile to go to war against a superior military nookworld Aug 2014 #31

Nonsense. Tell that to the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #32

I don't buy the comparison to Viet Cong nookworld Aug 2014 #37

I can see you are a newbie here with just a few posts. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #39

It's futitle with today's technology nookworld Aug 2014 #40

Then why did Israel have to leave Gaza and Lebanon? Recursion Aug 2014 #43

Global outrage. joshcryer Aug 2014 #53

"...They would be wiped off the map by Muslim invaders..." DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #92

Wrong. You can speculate all you want, but you are wrong. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #44

Israel isn't invading to occupy Gaza Calista241 Aug 2014 #66

Of course it is a high bar, but you are wrong about where the fight has to occur. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #85

First time someone's accused be of being ill-informed Calista241 Aug 2014 #87

You have listed some of the problems and goals of an insurgency, but not nearly all. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #96

You are ignoring Sun Tzu's admonition DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #91

Not so. The Israelis can retreat to the 1967 borders. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #94

Do you think an invading army is going to stop at the Green Line , especially Hamas... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #95

You've covered a lot ground here. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #97

How very comdescending, oh superior intellect. HERVEPA Aug 2014 #60

I know yr very new, but ever heard of the occupation? Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #52

500 children MFM008 Aug 2014 #54

The Israelis are defending themselves... BillZBubb Aug 2014 #29

"Israel wants to grab as much Palestinian land as possible" oberliner Aug 2014 #35

Prominent Israeli's have suggested it. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #36

I would be shocked if Israel attempts to take over Gaza oberliner Aug 2014 #77

The Westbank. The modus operandi: DetlefK Aug 2014 #55

But what does that have to do with the fighting in Gaza? oberliner Aug 2014 #76

What do you think, why neither side is willing to agree to peace? DetlefK Aug 2014 #80

Interesting analysis oberliner Aug 2014 #83

Does a person wearing a bullet proof vest... LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #38

Does a person taking a beating from a person in a bullet-proof vest intaglio Aug 2014 #59

When the Palestinian get the same kind of weapons that Israel has then Israel will be defending kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #63

So until then leftynyc Aug 2014 #73

It seems that some want just that, grossproffit Aug 2014 #79

Try a different site leftynyc Aug 2014 #89

No, the reality is if the Palestinians stopped resisting, Israel would take the rest of their land. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #86

That would be why they left Gaza leftynyc Aug 2014 #90

Israel left Gaza because it was too costly to occupy the area and protect the few settlements. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #98

Uh - no leftynyc Aug 2014 #100

Hamas committed the Passover Massacre on the day the Saudi Plan was adopted oberliner Aug 2014 #101

So? Extremists on both sides use provocations to scuttle peace efforts. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #102