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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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66. Shrug.

Wed Aug 27, 2014, 02:04 PM

Aug 2014

I've watched a lot of people fight for change over the years, and seen which sorts of fights work well, which sorts work poorly.

I don't think the fact that I've got a different chromosome prevents me from being able to generalize what I've learned from one type of fight to another.

I'm not going to shut down your voice, but I'm also not going to simply let you proclaim that no one can understand something unless they're the person being victimized in a given fight. Oddly enough, men can understand something about the fight against misogyny, just as it's possible for white people to understand something about the fight against racism, or straight people to understand something about the fight against homophobia.

I won't make any suggestions to you as to what you should read, but I'll note I did enjoy the art history I took back in college.

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I'm done, too. [View all] redqueen Aug 2014 OP

Good luck with everything. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #1

Peace to you, redqueen. :( nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #3

No, please don't go, just take a break, if necessary. closeupready Aug 2014 #4

WTF is going on around here?! leftstreet Aug 2014 #5

That is my question...what is up today? TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #7

The party goons who've been allowed to run roughshod over everyone else Maven Aug 2014 #20

We need a DLCTurdWay Resistance Movement leftstreet Aug 2014 #45

I don't think this has one thing to do with the Paulbots hifiguy Aug 2014 #49

You think it's the fault of liberals, then? Or something else entirely? merrily Aug 2014 #230

It was all about an argument hifiguy Aug 2014 #264

Thanks. I appreciate your reply. As I kept reading down the thread, that started to seep in. merrily Aug 2014 #266

Lordy AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #333

Bingo. n/t QC Aug 2014 #52

I have to agree..n/t secondwind Aug 2014 #92

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2014 #104

Help me understand.... Logical Aug 2014 #179

Yup. nt laundry_queen Aug 2014 #188

No shit. Are people waking up to it after months and months now? lonestarnot Aug 2014 #564

There is no comity here anymore. nt Snotcicles Aug 2014 #170

Amen to that SoCalDem Aug 2014 #529

Is this in some way related to Spiderwoman's buttocks? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #6

OK, I had to LOL. TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #8

That actually wasn't a joke. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #26

I see your point ... to some degree but, Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #44

I didn't, at first. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #62

If the readers aren't drawn to the comics because of those drawings Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #86

Because the guys who draw the comics like them? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #90

The guys who draw the comics aren't volunteers, are they? Someone is paying for the art Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #97

It's highly probable that there's a business decision in there Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #107

Yep. hifiguy Aug 2014 #109

I actually bought the first half dozen issues or so when they first came out. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #115

I cashed mine out at the first top of the market hifiguy Aug 2014 #123

i have issues 2-4 somewhere in my collection, gathering dust :) dionysus Aug 2014 #142

I can think of at least one more Blue Devil fan.... daleanime Aug 2014 #194

I think your spot on here. blackspade Sep 2014 #578

As yes, that pesky invisible Hand of the Market! Scootaloo Aug 2014 #110

Liefeld has been a one-man blight on comic art hifiguy Aug 2014 #113

Actually he does quite well, for a man who draws using only his nose and upper lip Scootaloo Aug 2014 #117

Give a chimp a Rapidograph hifiguy Aug 2014 #122

Tits-and-Ass pose etc. apparently sells. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #127

The only thing that DOESN'T sell is poor storytelling Scootaloo Aug 2014 #132

It's not the main cover, though, scoot. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #197

you had to mention Rob Liefeld. i now nee to go drink some bleach. gee thanks... dionysus Aug 2014 #143

Might want to save some for your eyes! Scootaloo Aug 2014 #144

now i need to poke my eyes out! you owe me a braille monitor and keyboad dude. dionysus Aug 2014 #145

A lot of things draw customers that decent people would refrain from. merrily Aug 2014 #243

I saw that thread, and stayed out of it. TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #56

Well, see, that's part of the issue re: the misogyny on this site-- chervilant Aug 2014 #60

Shrug. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #66

Bleh... chervilant Aug 2014 #68

Really? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #71

So, chervilant Aug 2014 #118

Unfortunately, this is why Treant Aug 2014 #126

Pop cultural drivel? chervilant Aug 2014 #135

Perpetual outrage? BainsBane Aug 2014 #202

Sustained applause and a standing ovation with some cheering. n/t betsuni Aug 2014 #203

+1,000,000 theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #222

Mmmmm-hm. sibelian Aug 2014 #253

Fine, then don't read about it BainsBane Aug 2014 #314

Now is a good time as any to mention that you JaydenD Aug 2014 #361

she creates a lot of dots to follow that simplifies the whole process for many. i agree. seabeyond Aug 2014 #363

Thank so much BainsBane Aug 2014 #367

"Lack of manners and arrogance" hifiguy Aug 2014 #275

yet, using comments like perpetual outrage is and passive aggressive insults is an seabeyond Aug 2014 #282

truth. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #292

actually, the people that are in the know, because of following conversation.... seabeyond Aug 2014 #298

It's not about style, it's about content BainsBane Aug 2014 #320

it SHOULDNT be " about style, it's about content" but it consistently is... seabeyond Aug 2014 #323

Redqueen does not have a single hide BainsBane Aug 2014 #317

Sigh. So beside the point. hifiguy Aug 2014 #330

I'm constantly insulted BainsBane Aug 2014 #337

Pardon me for assuming that hifiguy Aug 2014 #343

"Dopey me.". ya. hence the constant clarification. pointing out, with the hope a poster will listen seabeyond Aug 2014 #344

Whatever. hifiguy Aug 2014 #346

kinda like... so, no listening? is that your point of whatever? seabeyond Aug 2014 #347

I said what I have to say. hifiguy Aug 2014 #348

yes. as did i. seabeyond Aug 2014 #350

All it means is someone has an account BainsBane Aug 2014 #357

Presume away hifiguy Aug 2014 #377

Yet you find it acceptable to insult feminists as right-wing BainsBane Aug 2014 #444

You seem to be mistaking me for someone else. hifiguy Aug 2014 #445

Is that not your name rec'ing this thread? BainsBane Aug 2014 #447

Yeah, I rec'd it. So did 18 other DUers. And I am proud to share that rec with La Lioness, hifiguy Aug 2014 #448

What it shows is you thought it a good idea to ridicule me as imaginary BainsBane Aug 2014 #450

It remains that hifiguy Aug 2014 #453

I single you out because you are the one complaining about being insulted BainsBane Aug 2014 #457

Your name isn't mentioned in that OP. /nt pintobean Aug 2014 #455

Good Luck RobinA Aug 2014 #324

"Do these people work for a living?" wow. an insult. seabeyond Aug 2014 #326

How old are you. LeftOfWest Aug 2014 #206

Um, ok. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #231

Sounds like a come-on, or an insult. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #300

If that caused a lot of outrage, and caused some one to leave, Doctor_J Aug 2014 #228

Was that why big tree left, too? Or are people leaving merrily Aug 2014 #234

I think different, but tbh, we don't even Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #239

What a wonderful reply to a simple question! Really great. merrily Aug 2014 #241

I try to take people more seriously these days. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #246

As a woman, I have had some pretty bad experiences on the job. However I merrily Aug 2014 #263

the little that happens in the work force permeates thru out society seabeyond Aug 2014 #269

I agree seabeyond and I don't mean to belittle the things that women endure either. merrily Aug 2014 #277

exactly. how we like to dismiss a black youths experience of being followed in a store, seabeyond Aug 2014 #285

Again, I agree. All of it has to nipped in the bud. merrily Aug 2014 #290

which is all redq was saying. the battle fuggin assumed. she was told she needed seabeyond Aug 2014 #293

I have not seen the thread yet Still trying to make my way through this one. merrily Aug 2014 #294

this is when i started walking away. i was kicked off myself. i read the thread seabeyond Aug 2014 #304

i digressed. after the post was not hidden, i too decided i was done. seabeyond Aug 2014 #308

Thank you. You have a good day as well. merrily Aug 2014 #435

"never been subjected to anything of the kind" hfojvt Aug 2014 #551

You miss the point. It's not simply being mistreated. merrily Aug 2014 #557

what I am trying to say hfojvt Aug 2014 #566

If you do not see that extra portion, you are wrong. And maybe willfully so. nt merrily Aug 2014 #567

possibly hfojvt Aug 2014 #569

Until I know you better, I am going to drop this particular discussion with you. merrily Aug 2014 #570

you know you are right hfojvt Aug 2014 #571

redq can thoroughly run circles around this issue, she is so well informed. the men seabeyond Aug 2014 #248

'At this point, i have to ask, did i reply...' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #255

thank you for taking my post seriously, and addressing respectfully. seabeyond Aug 2014 #262

That's a lot to reply to, but here we go. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #271

you are a man. in the feminst circle, one of the things we would bring to your awareness that as a seabeyond Aug 2014 #276

Actually, I use female names in MMOs all the time. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #279

And the trolls are going to be dismissive no matter what the tone. seabeyond Aug 2014 #281

oh. like the 10th time i was kicked off. this one? a poster has a sarcastic tag in his sig seabeyond Aug 2014 #265

I certainly don't think you are. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #274

see. here is the thing. once again, you are defining my emotional state. let me ask seabeyond Aug 2014 #278

Do you feel angry here and now? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #283

firstly, i do not go on the presumption these men are ignorant, having listened to them for a decade seabeyond Aug 2014 #286

and... why shouldnt i get angry with a man that tells me i need to get laid? why am i not allowed. seabeyond Aug 2014 #280

again, truth. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #295

"the *getting laid thing* is used by women on this site, too. " yes. seabeyond Aug 2014 #316

Yes. to all of that, especially this = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #322

it is not a goodbye thread to me. it is a reflective thread, allowed by her OP. seabeyond Aug 2014 #325

I hope you are right in both cases. I appreciate both of them and their input and contributions Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #328

*hug* Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #352

ya, that. exactly. thank you for participating and being my example. perfectly seabeyond Aug 2014 #353

Fuck the tone argument. JTFrog Aug 2014 #370

fug the tone... lmfugginao. lol. i hear ya sistah.... actually, if one listens well, seabeyond Aug 2014 #373

Does it work for you in any other relationship in your life? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #384

Let me ask you this = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #393

No, nor am I using such a tone here. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #397

isnt it constantly condescending telling women we must watch our tone and the subject we address seabeyond Aug 2014 #398

I'm not 'telling women' anything. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #403

you are not telling but suggest... women. no. it is not human beings. it feels to me that what seabeyond Aug 2014 #405

I am indeed listening as well. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #406

My point is simply that you can more effectively message with certain changes to how you message. seabeyond Aug 2014 #407

Which is fine. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #408

agreed. lol. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #409

Actually, No ... to me, You do Not Come off that way. However, others on here do and Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #400

Just checking. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #404

As a feminist, and a woman on this board, I appreciate your efforts. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #410

as do i. hence, a long and productive conversation and exchange of ideas. seabeyond Aug 2014 #412

I hope you take his advice to heart. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #415

your sincerity with no agenda is so very clear. all one would have to do is read my position, seabeyond Aug 2014 #417

now eric. for clarity. this is what i am talking about. Ms and i are talking about a whole lot seabeyond Aug 2014 #419

I dislike discerning 'feelings' from people's posts. Since, though, you have invited me to msanthrope Aug 2014 #420

you discerned, incorrectly. i prefer to stick to not discerning, especially as i hate it so.... seabeyond Aug 2014 #422

Well...you cannot have it both ways. You cannot invite people to discern, and then tell them they msanthrope Aug 2014 #425

yes, Ms. i can say, i really really can say, that you are not correct how you discerned. one would seabeyond Aug 2014 #427

Why not just say how you feel if you think it important to the discussion, rather than asking people msanthrope Aug 2014 #428

you made a guess. i stated you were wrong. that should e enough. but, it is not. not for you. seabeyond Aug 2014 #430

Let's not be coy here, SB. If what you feel is important to the conversation, why not just state msanthrope Aug 2014 #432

no coy Ms. as a matter of fact, the complete opposite. you are holding onto something tight, seabeyond Aug 2014 #433

P.S. The drawing of Spiderwoman's buttocks may be a reason to stop buying comics, not merrily Aug 2014 #236

I think people believe Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #242

Yes, but the posts on the thread, not the drawing itself. merrily Aug 2014 #244

Correct. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #247

it isnt about a stupid ass (ya) drawing on a cover meant to be controversial for $. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #249

Agree--and I have not even seen the drawing yet. merrily Aug 2014 #252

Nobody buys comic books because of what's on the cover. Iron Man Aug 2014 #332

way to mess the point dude. lol. of course not. and it has been proven. and yet, pr firms, seabeyond Aug 2014 #340

Jury Results: 6-1 to keep stevenleser Aug 2014 #63

The jury system should be done away with. If it is a threat the admins should take it down. EEO Aug 2014 #82

Ever taken a look at the comments on sites like Youtube? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #100

Oy, what a sewer that is. hifiguy Aug 2014 #111

I have. A free exchange of ideas is messy. Is that Adams in your avatar? EEO Aug 2014 #114

I'm pretty sure that John and Abigail Adams would not allow people to spew racism in their house. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #119

I encourage you to investigate John Adams' words on Crispus Attucks. n/t FSogol Aug 2014 #257

The "free exchange" sites actually have no exchange BainsBane Aug 2014 #211

The Alien and Sedition Acts did not last long, and Federalists were not liberals, but merrily Aug 2014 #250

And? No one, including the board owner, seems to want to see DU looking like You Tube comments. merrily Aug 2014 #245

we have sunk very low if that is our measure of discourse here ... that we compare ourselves Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #296

I don't think that we have sunk that low. That is why I asked why You Tube is even relevant to bring merrily Aug 2014 #301

I agree with you but, evidently someone else thought YouTube was relevant in comparison to DU3 Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #307

Call out to H2O man: AngryAmish Aug 2014 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #299

? AngryAmish Aug 2014 #338

I am deleting. sorry. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #339

What? panader0 Aug 2014 #9

There may not be much to stay here for... ReRe Aug 2014 #10

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #11

well Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #12

Peace Dems to Win Aug 2014 #13

Perhaps rtracey Aug 2014 #14

Well I think she is leaving because of the rampant Misogyny women face here every day. trumad Aug 2014 #18

At least these goodbyes are not always forever. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #28

Sorta like Mark Twain said about smoking--"It's easy to quit. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #33

I was thinking "you can check out anytime you like....." (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #35

Lol cwydro Aug 2014 #84

Pro wrestlers, boxers, classic rock bands, and DUers hifiguy Aug 2014 #88

is Pitt currently in a "quit"? there is a god Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2014 #226

Nine out of ten you're aware of, or nine out of ten with unbiased sources to validate the premise? LanternWaste Aug 2014 #36

Jeez, talk about overkill on an off-the-cuff remark! Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #39

However, 10 out H2O Man Aug 2014 #61

A petulant off-the-cuff remark would be more accurate... LanternWaste Aug 2014 #81

True dat. cwydro Aug 2014 #76

agreed rtracey Aug 2014 #124

What post triggered it? Nt Logical Aug 2014 #180

Exactly right, Trumad theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #224

There's no misogyny on DU. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #303

And, we just have our hair on fire... chervilant Aug 2014 #374

Auwe! KamaAina Aug 2014 #15

Auwe Kaimuki! panader0 Aug 2014 #50

I assume Kaimuki has another meaning KamaAina Aug 2014 #51

Reading your posts have made me a better person. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #16

+1 nt laundry_queen Aug 2014 #189

Me too. I"ve learned a lot from RQ BainsBane Aug 2014 #305

I don't believe you. See you later, I'm sure. aikoaiko Aug 2014 #17

You have to say you are leaving so you can say "I'm Back!" snooper2 Aug 2014 #23

Oh my. cwydro Aug 2014 #108

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you: Exhibit A. Sheldon Cooper Aug 2014 #24

Recognize what the racism, misogyny, and homophobia for what it is. hunter Aug 2014 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #22

Without doubt, your post is one of the most racist, Misandric, and rude posts I've ever seen here Saboburns Aug 2014 #176

Feeling opressed? Notafraidtoo Aug 2014 #213

Look at that. You found a place on du to use your favorite phrase.... NCTraveler Aug 2014 #311

Have what coming? cyberswede Aug 2014 #319

That choice of words does strike me as a bit... paranoid... n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #556

damn. redwitch Aug 2014 #21

DU needs a GBCW forum...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #25

Truly. That would be great cwydro Aug 2014 #96

! icymist Aug 2014 #175

Oh no. Peacetrain Aug 2014 #27

Have I missed something? Seems a lot of people are leaving......why ????? nt clarice Aug 2014 #29

Kids are going back to school this week snooper2 Aug 2014 #34

Some of us will now be spending more time on campaigns and GOTV. lpbk2713 Aug 2014 #40

Another good one lost. Peace redqueen, you'll be missed. Scuba Aug 2014 #30

You take care too. KitSileya Aug 2014 #31

with white men and the dozen sock accounts they set up to agree with themselves CreekDog Aug 2014 #139

Hmm... opiate69 Aug 2014 #140

Why no, no it wasn't. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #411

you were on MIRT and never saw any others? Kali Aug 2014 #416

Reading is fundamental... opiate69 Aug 2014 #421

I am sure we have all defended a troll, sock, or zombie at one time or another... Kali Aug 2014 #441

Defending trolls and zombies is one thing... opiate69 Aug 2014 #442

some people are obsessed with DU, others are obsessed with them Kali Aug 2014 #443

It's nice to see someone that actually understands what the problem is. Number23 Aug 2014 #155

Agreed. But don't think they aren't celebrating this, either. freshwest Aug 2014 #162

I'm sorry you had to deal with so much crap here. bullwinkle428 Aug 2014 #32

She gave as much crap as she got. HERVEPA Aug 2014 #131

^^^^ +1000 Atman Aug 2014 #341

ya. she did not like women being called "skank", and she said so. bad redq. seabeyond Aug 2014 #345

bullshit. That's not what I'm talking about and you know it. HERVEPA Aug 2014 #362

i didnt reply to you. did i? and i got a hide for saying bullshit. it does not meet seabeyond Aug 2014 #364

Are you saying he called her that? If so, and true, sorry I misread HERVEPA Aug 2014 #365

i am saying, he has used the word toward women, and women called him out. seabeyond Aug 2014 #368

OK. I apologize on that part. HERVEPA Aug 2014 #375

The intolerant of the intolerant! I support that. boston bean Aug 2014 #413

Sour grapes? chervilant Aug 2014 #378

So if I was derisive to any woman who called herself a feminist, that belies the claim. HERVEPA Aug 2014 #399

P. S. chervilant Aug 2014 #380

A feminist who tells women they aren't real feminists BainsBane Aug 2014 #437

It looks like you were responding to me? HERVEPA Aug 2014 #449

Oh, maybe three or four months ago BainsBane Aug 2014 #452

Could you find it. I doubt that happened. HERVEPA Aug 2014 #456

I can try later BainsBane Aug 2014 #458

I almost never use that word. I'm skeptical, but will apologize if you show me. HERVEPA Aug 2014 #459

It was easier to find than I thought BainsBane Aug 2014 #460

Whiner, not asshole HERVEPA Aug 2014 #462

I find this post I am responding to is hostile. boston bean Aug 2014 #463

Well, I've seen plenty of hostility from you too. Pot, kettle. HERVEPA Aug 2014 #464

hahaha... LOL boston bean Aug 2014 #465

I never claimed to be a representative of feminists in general BainsBane Aug 2014 #466

that about says it. clearly. dots close together. making a clear path. excellent. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #468

I will very much miss you JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #37

oh no G_j Aug 2014 #38

Won't recommend because hope to see you again n/t intaglio Aug 2014 #41

You quit like a ..... underpants Aug 2014 #42

I rec'd it and I'm heartbroken to see she's leaving. TDale313 Aug 2014 #67

Rec because redqueen leaving is a pretty big fucking deal. Iris Aug 2014 #172

I disagree with you on damn near everything, but I think you should stay. Throd Aug 2014 #43

Best to you. Your voice is powerful even if we don't always see things the same way TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #46

Well, that sucks. cyberswede Aug 2014 #47

You will be missed. PotatoChip Aug 2014 #48

Take A Break... And Then Come On Back... WillyT Aug 2014 #53

Oh, this makes me so sad. TDale313 Aug 2014 #54

See you round the next bend. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #57

I'll miss you, redqueen ScreamingMeemie Aug 2014 #58

I'll miss you, too, redqueen. calimary Aug 2014 #534

The signal-to-noise ratio will go down. Octafish Aug 2014 #59

The signal-to-noise ratio will go down. TRUTH. and again Truth = Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #310

I wish you'd stay, but I don't blame you at all for leaving. Iggo Aug 2014 #64

Take a breather instead... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #65

Depressing day. salin Aug 2014 #69

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #70

Aww... another classy post. Sheldon Cooper Aug 2014 #72

A Good Hide.. Thanks Jury. One of the reasons for suckiness.. belongs on Cha Aug 2014 #205

Classy. nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #75

Too bad it's not you who's liberalhistorian Aug 2014 #78

true. though I do remember when the mods regularly pizza'd WOMEN who replied BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #95

I don't see a lot of hatred of women on DU joeglow3 Aug 2014 #99

Then you aren't paying attention BainsBane Aug 2014 #105

I just think hatred is a strong word joeglow3 Aug 2014 #154

misogyny means more than hatred for women BainsBane Aug 2014 #157

in 2014 misogyny is hate and is getting stronger. LeftOfWest Aug 2014 #207

Yes I am joeglow3 Aug 2014 #258

You actually have to have an ability to recognize it. boston bean Aug 2014 #267

Then why don't you link to it? joeglow3 Aug 2014 #268

hahaha boston bean Aug 2014 #284

More constructive discussion joeglow3 Aug 2014 #382

Your demands have me laughing... boston bean Aug 2014 #386

Yeah. Asking someone to support their claims with tangible evidence is "making demands." joeglow3 Aug 2014 #387

this...see below, has me laughing my ass off: boston bean Aug 2014 #390

Yeah. Try employing that in an academic setting. joeglow3 Aug 2014 #391

I am not your teacher, nor am I your link aggregator. I'm a poster on DU. boston bean Aug 2014 #392

Cool. They I will start to make claims and tell everyone it is their responsibility to educate... joeglow3 Aug 2014 #395

Read this...then think about it a little cyberswede Aug 2014 #309

It has NOTHING to do with feminists. YOU are making a claim joeglow3 Aug 2014 #383

Are you confusing me with someone else? cyberswede Aug 2014 #385

I didn't either, but the anger my simple response caused is palpable. boston bean Aug 2014 #388

You posted the article in response to my request for evidence joeglow3 Aug 2014 #389

Yet, you are allowed to make an argument that there isn't much of it on DU. boston bean Aug 2014 #394

I am not arguing either to be true joeglow3 Aug 2014 #396

Really?? from you said and what originated these responses: boston bean Aug 2014 #401

Here are examples of the kind of sexism /misogyny that concerns many of us BainsBane Aug 2014 #438

keep this list handy. It's a good one! Thanks for compiling. boston bean Aug 2014 #461

Now that he's been provided with the examples he asked for BainsBane Aug 2014 #492

I think the point is... cyberswede Aug 2014 #402

Very well said. nt BainsBane Aug 2014 #436

+1 BainsBane Aug 2014 #102

I couldn't agree more. chervilant Aug 2014 #125

Take a break for awhile. Le Taz Hot Aug 2014 #73

Good. When the sum of what cliffordu Aug 2014 #74

Speaking of deeply negative and vituperative.... JTFrog Aug 2014 #171

IKR... cyberswede Aug 2014 #173

Really?! salin Aug 2014 #187

And you contribute? What exactly? Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #221

Christ crucified, what an obnoxious post. riqster Aug 2014 #232

It's an especially ironic one, too. n/t QC Aug 2014 #235

I'm sorry to hear that. Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #77

Goodluck. Agschmid Aug 2014 #79

I always liked your posts mcar Aug 2014 #80

I will miss your posts and comments, always insightful. I hope you do RKP5637 Aug 2014 #83

ah, hell. Kali Aug 2014 #85

I know we've had our arguments, but I hate seeing you go RQ. Rex Aug 2014 #87

Message and name auto removed L0oniX Aug 2014 #89

No fucking way BainsBane Aug 2014 #91

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #93

I hope you take a break and reconsider. herding cats Aug 2014 #94

this will lower DU's IQ by quite a few points. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #98

What is going on? Helen Borg Aug 2014 #101

she was attacked in this thread Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #130

I see. Is she really leaving DU got good?... Helen Borg Aug 2014 #219

Oh no! get the red out Aug 2014 #103

You will be missed - very much GeoWilliam750 Aug 2014 #106

I hope you get to places where you are appreciated and treasured... CTyankee Aug 2014 #112

Please don't go--take a rest instead. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #116

I'm deeply sorry . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #120

You will be missed, redqueen. I hope you change your mind. pnwmom Aug 2014 #121

because of the grief u got in my spderwoman thred?please stay Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #128

Of course not BainsBane Aug 2014 #149

That was perhaps, the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Although, after reflection, Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #192

Sorry to hear marions ghost Aug 2014 #129

Thank God. Atman Aug 2014 #133

Well this pretty much ruins my day. johnp3907 Aug 2014 #134

Don't go Redqueen. We need you. applegrove Aug 2014 #136

I feel so awful for the amount of hate and bile you're receiving. myrna minx Aug 2014 #137

I'm out of the loop generally, Call Me Wesley Aug 2014 #138

This sucks. :( Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #141

I have an enormous amount of respect for you... Phentex Aug 2014 #146

We are pretty much in the same position redqueen. William769 Aug 2014 #147

It's always the good ones who leave BainsBane Aug 2014 #150

Sad to say, I am finding that out. William769 Aug 2014 #153

Yes. Please PM me about where you've been. I've missed your posts. freshwest Aug 2014 #160

When I get a chance later today I will send you a PM. William769 Aug 2014 #251

Peace, redqueen. brer cat Aug 2014 #148

C'mon... it's an internet message board XRubicon Aug 2014 #151

Sigh Number23 Aug 2014 #152

Those posts are priceless. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #414

K&R pintobean Aug 2014 #156

Buh Bye. Don't let the door hit ya ...... oldhippie Aug 2014 #158

+1 bahrbearian Aug 2014 #169

nc cyberswede Aug 2014 #174

Cute! oldhippie Aug 2014 #260

It doesn't change the fact this is still 2014 BainsBane Aug 2014 #195

And you respond to me thus .... oldhippie Aug 2014 #259

oh, jeez. AngryAmish Aug 2014 #159

... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #161

What? No! NuclearDem Aug 2014 #163

What's more important than even changing minds Shankapotomus Aug 2014 #164

I wish it were the misogynists who would leave instead Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #165

+1 BainsBane Aug 2014 #200

+2 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #559

I can't tell you how sorry I am to hear this etherealtruth Aug 2014 #167

I tried PMing you thucythucy Aug 2014 #168

Goodbye taught_me_patience Aug 2014 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author LittleBlue Aug 2014 #201

I am so sorry to read this. I always enjoy your posts. greatlaurel Aug 2014 #178

Thanks for hosting in the Hillary Clinton group! Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #181

sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad betsuni Aug 2014 #182

I wish you would reconsider. You'll be missed, redqueen. octoberlib Aug 2014 #183

that does not work for me redq. i was ready to walk myself, until i read the same ole.... seabeyond Aug 2014 #184

and welcome back from DU jail, seabeyond! alp227 Aug 2014 #185

wavin' seabeyond Aug 2014 #186

woot Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #190

Hoo yah... seabeyond Aug 2014 #191

nawh ... Live Dangerously, Like I do. Life on the Edge is a Life Worth living Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #193

Looks like your advice was taken. pintobean Aug 2014 #574

aren't you just the cutest little ole thing ?! Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #575

to those who smirk at RQ DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #582

I don't know why I bother reading your posts. pintobean Sep 2014 #583

Best wishes to you, redqueen steve2470 Aug 2014 #196

+1. Well said. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #218

When people enter threads to show their rude contempt for the person leaving BainsBane Aug 2014 #198

Well, done, BB.. Yes, they do.. I was just ruminating on that.. so much better Cha Aug 2014 #208

Obviously, you and I have had our differences. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #199

Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #454

Couldn't have said it better. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #560

Peace Love & Aloha, redqueen~ Cha Aug 2014 #204

Bye n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #209

Going to be tough jambo101 Aug 2014 #210

This site was destroyed by poor moderation. Notafraidtoo Aug 2014 #212

Full of rightwing trolls? jambo101 Aug 2014 #215

It probably looks ok to you because you haven't been here long. JTFrog Aug 2014 #223

I dunno. People were saying the same sort of thing back in 2002... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #229

It's full of them now. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #297

I think it's even less of a problem now than it was on DU1 or 2... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #472

Here's the thing, jambo: You're wrong. Heidi Aug 2014 #227

I've been here since DU1 and it's not full of trolls n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #237

In my opinion, it is. And I agree 100% with Heidi. nt. boston bean Aug 2014 #254

If the forum is just for Liberals jambo101 Aug 2014 #256

I wish we could pin this post at the top of GD. It should be reuqired reading by all new posters. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #289

I agree. And here is an example of a right wing way of thinking on an issue: Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #473

RWers also say they support school vouchers so families can have a choice... cyberswede Aug 2014 #474

The point is, to say that anyone who doesn't lose their shit over porn, swimsuits, and Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #475

how many timmmmmmmes have you told us we are rw fundamentalists. not to mention all the other names seabeyond Aug 2014 #478

I'm talking about viewpoints, not people. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #479

whatever warren... seabeyond Aug 2014 #480

The answer to that is never. Next.... n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #481

Seriously? Even this, you are gonna step in and answer for warren. Though there is no way you have seabeyond Aug 2014 #482

I noticed Wazza had already answered, but I don't mind pointing out the obvious... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #483

All the time BainsBane Aug 2014 #484

Everything, ALL the time, best of pals, can even finish each other's sentences. seabeyond Aug 2014 #487

June 30, 2012, i said that all the anti-porn "science" comes from the right. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #509

You link to Seabeyond in one of those posts BainsBane Aug 2014 #522

Ive explained to you why the use of quotes in that post doesnt mean what you think it does. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #523

Of that entire post BainsBane Aug 2014 #524

Since we're digging into the archives, sea was posting "science" by Judith Reisman Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #526

No personal attacks? BainsBane Aug 2014 #528

When have I ever asserted I'm oppressed? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #531

I have not seen that. RiffRandell Aug 2014 #537

Sheeeeit, lmao, that is about the only thing he does post and you read each and every one? seabeyond Aug 2014 #486

sheeeit, lmao. I must be reading posts from some other Wazza then... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #488

I am not seeing the relevance of any of that story telling to you claiming seabeyond Aug 2014 #489

You've yet to come up with a single link to where he's called you a RWer... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #490

Ahhhhhh... Fug, lol. Too funny. Done seabeyond Aug 2014 #491

No, the post yr replying to wasn't funny. The one I did before it was... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #494

ah, again. so. you decided what i think funny, too. sorry, that has me laughing.... too seabeyond Aug 2014 #495

Nah, just telling you which one was and wasn't. Is there a problem with that? Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #496

Wazza! Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #508

Lets not revise the history, eh? Because i have a very good memory. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #511

And there we have evidence for what you deny BainsBane Aug 2014 #544

The difference is, i'm not linking to any right wingers from DU. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #548

Do you agree with Rick Santorum's quote? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2014 #502

oh. you got me with your gotcha moment. grabbing heart. falling backwards. seabeyond Aug 2014 #503

So you think it's a "pandemic"? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2014 #506

do i think there are issues with porn? ya. you want to tie it to ricky boy, me to ricky boy.... seabeyond Aug 2014 #510

The point is, it's ludicrous to assert that people who dont have problems with adult material, Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #512

no. that was not prouds point. thank you very much for your help. seabeyond Aug 2014 #513

Oh, you're ever so welcome. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #514

proud asked if i aligned myself with santorum. then asked again. that is what i addressed. seabeyond Aug 2014 #515

And the santorum quote came up originally as exhibit A. In the argument that Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #517

Indeed it is. hifiguy Aug 2014 #521

what is insane is you continued misrepresentation of any given argument and why most do not bother. seabeyond Aug 2014 #527

So it wasnt the spiderwoman butt thread that led to this current kerfluffle? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #530

no. it was not. nor is the si issue what you present, though you have been corrected a number of seabeyond Aug 2014 #532

Hmmm. Wasnt my alert. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #533

bummer, only one juror whose intent was to get me kicked off. alerter, certainly misrepresented. seabeyond Aug 2014 #535

No, neither of us called the other insane. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #536

did they LIE in the alert to get a hide? seabeyond Aug 2014 #538

If you consider a whole bunch of incoherent bargle about how i like to "spit in peoples' Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #547

"Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT Explanation: bye" sufrommich Aug 2014 #539

yup. alerters have been BUSY today, oh and last night. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #541

"fingers crossed for your survival" BainsBane Aug 2014 #549

I doubt Warren was the alerter, Sea BainsBane Aug 2014 #542

ya. i pretty much know who it is. on par. have had this exact type of alert in the past. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #545

To which of his many imbecilic quotes are you referring? hifiguy Aug 2014 #518

It's the "libertarian viewpoint" according to some ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2014 #504

Please read the terms of service. This site is not for Republicans. merrily Aug 2014 #273

You'll be missed. raven mad Aug 2014 #214

You deserve better. JTFrog Aug 2014 #216

I will miss you rq. boston bean Aug 2014 #217

Damn Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #220

Best wishes redqueen Vattel Aug 2014 #225

All the best to you. I hope you keep fighting the good fight in whatever arena suits you. riqster Aug 2014 #233

Take care - you will be missed hack89 Aug 2014 #238

Well I knew it was coming ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #240

I don't aways agree with your premises, but I have Learned a Lot from your posts and posititions adirondacker Aug 2014 #261

a treasure. yes she is. we have lost so many on du. it makes du less. seabeyond Aug 2014 #272

Trying to find fairness and equality in the nurture and nature realm of reality is a daunting task. adirondacker Aug 2014 #287

"I hope both return after a short break" agreed. having many forced breaks, seabeyond Aug 2014 #291

I shall miss you and I hope you reconsider. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #270

Peace, rq. n/t LadyHawkAZ Aug 2014 #288

meh DiverDave Aug 2014 #302

Yes, as a matter of fact she is BainsBane Aug 2014 #306

Well, that told ME. DiverDave Aug 2014 #439

Evidently, she's important enough for a man like yourself to take the time to respond. Sheldon Cooper Aug 2014 #312

more important was the rhythm. respond, insult, dismiss. interesting. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #329

If you're going to insult someone, might want to use the correct spelling. HERVEPA Aug 2014 #429

I see from this thread that sexists and assholes are happy. LexVegas Aug 2014 #313

This thread is flypaper for the sexists and other assholes. n/t Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #318

And one just got caught. Tripped up in their own web of deceit. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #371

This message was self-deleted by its author In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #321

i do not know. seeing the names that are good with redq leaving, and their comments seabeyond Aug 2014 #331

Welcome back In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #334

thank you seabeyond Aug 2014 #342

looks about right to me Kali Aug 2014 #349

This message was self-deleted by its author In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #354

huh? Kali Aug 2014 #359

This message was self-deleted by its author In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #360

even more strange Kali Aug 2014 #369

lol. ya... i am with the smilie.... i am confused. hope all is well with you. seabeyond Aug 2014 #372

oh hell no I am not frail! hahahhahaa Kali Aug 2014 #376

you go, woman. having grown up in az desert, i so love the rattlers story. seabeyond Aug 2014 #379

How aobut a meet up at the ranch some time? BainsBane Aug 2014 #440

Will we see an example of eReincarnation or a return from the dead? Android3.14 Aug 2014 #315

Good luck. I didn't like your approach, but you tried. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #327

the reality is. we are both raising teenagers. it is our roles, as parents. seabeyond Aug 2014 #336

" I long ago resigned myself to listening to what women say" WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #366

Not at all. The lag-time for deciphering takes all the drama out. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #467

I don't know who I feel sorrier for, you or your wife. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #501

She'll let you know. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #540

It's like watching a lovely city crumble. Go in peace, redqueen. nolabear Aug 2014 #335

This message was self-deleted by its author Heidi Aug 2014 #351

Oh, good grief! JohnnyLib2 Aug 2014 #355

So sorry to see you go, rq. Zorra Aug 2014 #356

I will miss you very much. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #358

I hope you change your mind... TeeYiYi Aug 2014 #381

Just take a break. You've got 100k posts here---shame to walk now. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #418

It was just a comic jambo101 Aug 2014 #424

Honestly, I have no idea what the reason is, nor do I particularly care. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #426

except you have been told it is not "just about a comic cover". you choose to define her walking seabeyond Aug 2014 #431

No it wasn't. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #505

This site needs you more than you need it, I hope you reconsider AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #423

We started out by butting heads warrprayer Aug 2014 #434

Just take a break for a bit and then come back Red Marrah_G Aug 2014 #446

rq I will miss your voice but I completely understand why you would find DU intolerable. seaglass Aug 2014 #451

Redqueen and I were in a big battle a couple years ago CreekDog Aug 2014 #469

''You want to know why they hid the number of times jurors served?'' JaydenD Aug 2014 #552

Red, you are always worth reading. Mc Mike Aug 2014 #470

Wow, this is really a shame. I hope you reconsider. R B Garr Aug 2014 #471

kick back to the top Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #476

The Bashing Of Democrats On DU Is Getting Disgusting... Corey_Baker08 Aug 2014 #477

Wheres the mods? jambo101 Aug 2014 #485

there are no moderators BainsBane Aug 2014 #493

I'll presume jambo101 Aug 2014 #497

How can you know so little about the site you post on? BainsBane Aug 2014 #500

I've never served on a jury. jambo101 Aug 2014 #519

I am not saying you don't have a right to discuss BainsBane Aug 2014 #543

This message was self-deleted by its author jambo101 Aug 2014 #520

"continually bashes a Democrat" Logical Aug 2014 #516

No Lets Just Day For 1 Example Calling Our President A War Monger... Corey_Baker08 Aug 2014 #554

Someone here called Clinton a "feminazi"? Union Scribe Sep 2014 #580

I understand.... hlthe2b Aug 2014 #498

I am very sorry to see you go, redqueen. Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #499

Sad malaise Aug 2014 #507

Very sad indeed. n /t GP6971 Aug 2014 #546

Please know that you will be missed,redqueen. nt sufrommich Aug 2014 #525

I really liked Redqueen, I admired her aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #550

+1 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #562

i remember that. and my own experience. seabeyond Aug 2014 #563

And scene. Cut, Check the gate. Good? OK - print, that's a wrap. GoneOffShore Aug 2014 #553

Is there a point to posting you are leaving the forum jambo101 Aug 2014 #555

Where can I advance order the sequel? n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #558

Bless your heart. JTFrog Aug 2014 #561

so clever. ya. nothing to see folks seabeyond Aug 2014 #565

There isn't anything clever about it. It's just nastiness. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #572

no. nothing clever. didnt bother with sarcasm tag. nt seabeyond Aug 2014 #573

lol. That didn't last long. pintobean Aug 2014 #576

I laughed, Violet. /nt pintobean Aug 2014 #568

I'm glad. Not sure what the angry responses were about, but can't please everyone n/t Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #579

I'm sorry to see you go. blackspade Sep 2014 #577

Be well, redqueen. MadrasT Sep 2014 #581