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Ilsa

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27. I've read the reports on Bethany and others.

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 06:54 PM

Nov 2014

Yes, I realize you were talking about the baby sellers. But it also takes a demand market with little supply.

For awhile in the 1980s, I heard very little about the problems in finding babies until 1) women married later and had some fertility issues, 2) legal abortion took away the glut of newborns needing homes. Then the preppies got on board with the "evil" of abortion when they didn't have enough newborn babies to buy.

A knew a woman, would be in her 50s now, who was adopted. The day her parents took her home, the nuns came back for her at her new home, claiming there had been a mistake, and another couple was supposed to adopt her. Her new daddy whipped out his checkbook and wrote one for $5000. This would be between 1957 and 1960. Like buying half an average house in 1960. The nuns didn't bother them any more.

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What motivates the Pro-Life Movement? [View all] Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 OP

It's a little more complicated than just any one of those. SheilaT Nov 2014 #1

I agree. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #3

I agree also yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #48

Yup sakabatou Nov 2014 #52

Protecting Patriarchy Johonny Nov 2014 #59

Fear and hate REP Nov 2014 #2

Yeah, it seems like the really ardent anti-choicers might Ilsa Nov 2014 #13

I'm talking about the sellers REP Nov 2014 #20

I've read the reports on Bethany and others. Ilsa Nov 2014 #27

The most fiercely "pro-life" person I know Freddie Nov 2014 #32

it is ENTIRELY about punishing women for having sex Scootaloo Nov 2014 #4

and the bonus is it's great to be able to righteously carp about someone else's sins HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #6

evil ignorance olddots Nov 2014 #5

They call themselves "pro-life" as an Orwellian insult. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #7

I usually refer to them as the "Pro-preggers". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #8

If they cared about pregnancy, they wouldn't oppose universal prenatal care. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #12

And, contraception and Sex Ed. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #18

Fetus Fetishist Bettie Nov 2014 #23

They don't care about fetuses either, hence no prenatal care. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #24

Yep Bettie Nov 2014 #26

They're bad people. All there is to it. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #31

And isn't it interesting that for so many of these zealots hifiguy Nov 2014 #51

1&2. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #9

"Pro-Life"??? handmade34 Nov 2014 #10

What do THEY think motivates them, or what actually motivates them? jberryhill Nov 2014 #11

Actually. Because, what they "think" motivates them makes no sense. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #14

I'd say it's some combination of the latter four, TBH. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #15

What I'd like back from the 50s is the top marginal tax rate of 90% and the 35% union membership eridani Nov 2014 #40

Which might not have been possible..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #47

Control.nt bravenak Nov 2014 #16

Yes. Control=Power. Boomerproud Nov 2014 #35

It's fun insulting these folks -- rogerashton Nov 2014 #17

This! NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #28

Also, rogerashton Nov 2014 #36

Yes, my wife would definitely agree with that. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #46

They do it because they do not want to admit to themselves that they are unwanted children, Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #19

Same thing that motivates PETA or religious fundamentalists. FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #21

Women's vaginas bleed and make them impure. longship Nov 2014 #22

misogyny Skittles Nov 2014 #25

Different people oppose legalized abortion for different reasons. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2014 #29

I think there are a lot of different motivations, but I think most are sincerely about the unborn Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2014 #30

Thanks for the common sense joeglow3 Nov 2014 #33

They may be sincere in their beliefs but trying to impose those beliefs on others by law Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #34

What if they genuinely believe it is murder? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #41

Is it? Because they genuinely "believe it" doesn't make it so. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #45

The question asked was "What motivates the Pro-Life Movement?" Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2014 #67

If they believe abortion is murder, they shouldn't have one. They don't get to impose their world smokey nj Nov 2014 #62

So, you don't think you have a right to oppose any murder but one you could commit joeglow3 Nov 2014 #73

Abortion isn't murder, it's a medical procedure. smokey nj Nov 2014 #74

And like I said, THIS is why I usually avoid discussing this issue joeglow3 Nov 2014 #75

That world view is horrible when they try to impose it smokey nj Nov 2014 #77

So again, do you only oppose murder when it would be you committing it? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #78

Abortion isn't murder, it's a medical procedure. smokey nj Nov 2014 #80

And like I said, THIS is why I usually avoid discussing this issue joeglow3 Nov 2014 #82

I'm not trying to impose my view on anybody. I'm smokey nj Nov 2014 #85

I think there is a difference between someone who sees a very early pregnancy as Maggie Simpson Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2014 #64

+1 DesMoinesDem Nov 2014 #53

Really? Because once they are out of the womb it seems that the SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #57

Have you been around many pregnant women? Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2014 #65

That world view becomes malicious when it is forced on others. smokey nj Nov 2014 #69

Is that what we're talking about here? Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2014 #70

They are acting upon it. smokey nj Nov 2014 #72

Indeed many are, but that isn't the issue at hand. Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2014 #76

What motivates them means nothing to me when they smokey nj Nov 2014 #79

Then why even click the link? Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2014 #81

Who died and named you thread monitor? smokey nj Nov 2014 #83

Huh? I didn't say you couldn't respond, I'm just not sure why you did. Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2014 #88

I'm going to respond when someone defends a world smokey nj Nov 2014 #90

You're clearly having a conversation with someone else, don't let me interrupt. Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2014 #91

You clearly don't get it. smokey nj Nov 2014 #92

Lots of stuff. Motivation is a tricky (and usually pointless) question. Recursion Nov 2014 #37

To force their bronze age moral code upon a free and enlightened society. PM Martin Nov 2014 #38

Protecting Patriarchy Aerows Nov 2014 #39

Probably a little of eaxh, though I suspect punishing women for sex leads. eridani Nov 2014 #42

different people in that movement are motivated by different reasons Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #43

Fear of the older white rich shadow government players Samantha Nov 2014 #44

Puritanism and fear of "uncontrolled" female sexuality hifiguy Nov 2014 #49

Smug judgment. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #50

I think it varies Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #54

I bet there has been a similar poll at FR about the Pro-Choice Movement DesMoinesDem Nov 2014 #55

There are several types of 'pro-lifer' LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #56

Death Turbineguy Nov 2014 #58

A delusion they are more moral than others mmonk Nov 2014 #60

I wish you'd used anti-choice rather than pro-life because their life "pro-ness" ends once it exits smokey nj Nov 2014 #61

different answers for different groups of the movement IVoteDFL Nov 2014 #63

It's about control - TBF Nov 2014 #66

There's a couple of choices that overlap there. liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #68

power kydo Nov 2014 #71

OTHER. MADem Nov 2014 #84

Other mainstreetonce Nov 2014 #86

Some of us believe that abortion ends a life. Beausoir Nov 2014 #87

Not all women or girls(I was a 16 year old girl when I had an abortion) are liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #89

believe in a perfect world. pansypoo53219 Nov 2014 #93

Its not just one thing, its many LostOne4Ever Nov 2014 #94

Well we're dealing with morals here, so it'll be different for different people The2ndWheel Nov 2014 #95