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boston bean

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Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:18 PM Dec 2014

The latent sexism of the male marriage proposal [View all]

When I got engaged earlier this year, well-meaning friends excitedly asked "how he proposed" — and then immediately looked at my left hand.

I've been told I can thank the Archduke Maximilian of Austria, who proposed to Mary of Burgundy with a diamond ring in 1477, for such instincts. But maybe I should thank the originators: the prehistoric men who demonstrated their control over women by tying braided grass around their wrists and ankles.

You'd think the obvious sexism of the modern proposal would rankle my progressive friends. Yes, plenty of brides have men in their bridal parties, more and more women are ditching the "virginal" white dress, and guys aren't running to ask their fiancees' fathers for "permission" to marry them anymore. But our culture still, overwhelmingly, pushes the traditional male proposal: down on one knee, with a sparkly diamond (and often a flash mob) in tow.

Tracy Clark-Flory at Salon argues that the male proposal is "a culturally sanctioned time for a man to show his tenderness." But the tradition pushes stereotypical gender roles: The "tender" man is still in control of the situation, while the woman is forced to take a passive role. And if a woman proposes to a man, it's seen as emasculating.


http://theweek.com/article/index/272376/the-latent-sexism-of-the-male-marriage-proposal

I wonder how many women have "basically" told the man in their lives to shit or get off the pot? So, I'm not so sure I agree 100% that in our society today, that most women are passive players in the game.
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Women will next be welcome to propose marriage on February 29, 2016. Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #1
really? women are only allowed to propose on leap years? boston bean Dec 2014 #2
. Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #3
that's a fun little ditty.... boston bean Dec 2014 #4
I proposed to my husband susanr516 Dec 2014 #64
No matter whether the couple do the traditional proposal or not, KitSileya Dec 2014 #5
true. boston bean Dec 2014 #7
Actually my wife proposed to me, her proposal began like this tularetom Dec 2014 #6
I bet you a lot start out like that! LOL boston bean Dec 2014 #11
I remember how my husband proposed notadmblnd Dec 2014 #8
LOL, I love it! nt boston bean Dec 2014 #15
My husband started to talk about marriage on our first "date"... PassingFair Dec 2014 #9
I wanna hear more about those 4 days!!!! :) boston bean Dec 2014 #10
Here's the wedding pic.... PassingFair Dec 2014 #34
Ohhhhh... that hair... ScreamingMeemie Dec 2014 #39
Yeah... He had some HAIR!! PassingFair Dec 2014 #56
I love it... Now I'm only curiouser!!! LOL boston bean Dec 2014 #47
We knew each other for over a year before that fateful night... PassingFair Dec 2014 #57
It's so nice .. sendero Dec 2014 #13
To the author, there are fewer proposals every day AngryAmish Dec 2014 #12
I proposed to my husband. Twelve years later, we finally got around to it. Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #14
It's a well-known axiom of social science that traditionally closeupready Dec 2014 #16
The term you are looking for is hypergamy davidn3600 Dec 2014 #29
But that is not true any longer treestar Dec 2014 #59
I've often wondered how many women say Yes ... GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #17
Your story is more common than you might think. Cleita Dec 2014 #19
Unlike the movie or romance novel version, most of Cleita Dec 2014 #18
We had an unorthodox discussion on this topic: CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #20
Peggy, I think your experience is probably quite common! boston bean Dec 2014 #21
After reading your thread, I have to agree! Thanks for the good wishes, my dear Boston Bean! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #24
I think the traditional proposals are more common with snooty upper class folks. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #22
I think you are correct. Most people discuss these things prior to engagement. boston bean Dec 2014 #25
Donna proposed to me and I was smart enough to accept. hobbit709 Dec 2014 #23
Flash Mob??? stone space Dec 2014 #26
from a tv show.. boston bean Dec 2014 #27
I'm pretty confident when I know that... stone space Dec 2014 #32
I've always thought the reason women dont do it is because they're afraid of the possible rejection davidn3600 Dec 2014 #28
I swear, DU is starting to sound like Portlandia. nolabear Dec 2014 #30
Or the writers of Portlandia owe somebody some royalty payments. nt Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #36
I'm from a strongly matriarchal family. hunter Dec 2014 #31
You just might have the most interesting life story of any DU'er. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #50
. hunter Dec 2014 #54
In all seriousness, I've had a few (mis)adventures myself, but my autobiography would be boring nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #55
We talked about it, but thought it would be kinda weird to have a woman make the proposal.... Liberal Veteran Dec 2014 #33
Lol Quackers Dec 2014 #53
I'm short on time, but the article seems to gloss over the fact that most women prefer it this way. Threedifferentones Dec 2014 #35
That's sort of what I was saying... davidn3600 Dec 2014 #37
men telling us what we prefer treestar Dec 2014 #44
Just making an observation, no reason to get hostile davidn3600 Dec 2014 #48
they might be afraid of being called desperate treestar Dec 2014 #43
I seem to remember this video that I yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #38
My proposal from my husband began with,"I was driving over here to break up with you..." ScreamingMeemie Dec 2014 #40
hahaha... I imagine something you said boston bean Dec 2014 #46
I turned my boyfriend down twice. alarimer Dec 2014 #41
The down on th knee things seems to be a more recent re-introdlluction of some old custom treestar Dec 2014 #42
my husband's proposal was decidedly not romantic fizzgig Dec 2014 #45
when I was 2O (22 yrs ago) this chump somehow convinced me to pay for my own ring freeplessinseattle Dec 2014 #49
hubby says he proposed to me on bended knee...I'm not so sure... CTyankee Dec 2014 #51
I bet there are more proposals now while holding a pregnancy test instead of a ring. rug Dec 2014 #52
That seems counterintuitive, with the wider availability... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #60
It has nothing to do with shotguns. It has more to do with the reality of a child. rug Dec 2014 #61
We had gotten to a point in our lives where we both had enough assets to be worth protecting REP Dec 2014 #58
This is a fantastically hetero-assumptive article and thread. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #62
I was waiting for you on this thread...and I'm so glad you showed up. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #63
Oh, the horrors Doctor_J Dec 2014 #65
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