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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
42. Interesting.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:49 AM
Dec 2014

I'm stuck using 2008 numbers, but you'll see what I'm talking about in a minute. I am a writer. I considered a post apocalyptic novel, and did some research. It is not a subject that I have any real fascination about. Nor do I think that it will come about, but the books seem to be popular. So I've got some familiarity on the scenario.

Since there are about 1 million police officers in the nation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States

Let's say there are another 150,000 Federal Agents. We'll make it 1,250,000 badge carrying people with the power of arrest. I know, the numbers don't add up, but we'll add in the reserve officers and the recently retired that could be called back.

There are over 315 million people in the United States. There are already enough guns in the population to give every man, woman, and child over the age of 15 a gun. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/06/04/a-minority-of-americans-own-guns-but-just-how-many-is-unclear/

But let's say that the one percent of the population that are "police" are going to war with the rest of us. Even those without guns are hardly unarmed. Viet-Nam, Afghanistan, and Iraq has taught us that a poorly armed irregular force is not one to be taken lightly. So the Police would begin this war badly outnumbered, seriously outgunned, and almost certainly ill prepared.

But let's check that Dedication level shall we? Where were the police on day three of Katrina? We know they were in the city when Katrina hit. But we also know that a vast majority of them, as in nearly all, departed the city when the going got really tough. So the cops are prepared for two, or let's double that four days of real hardship.

So police as far as the community is concerned are at best, a fair weather friend. They're outnumbered three hundred to one. They're out gunned by more than two hundred to one. They may think they're trained for combat with all that military crap. But the veterans that would likely take charge of the irregular forces that would spring up would certainly know how to defeat that equipment.

So in a war, where the population turned against them, the police could conceivably control a few blocks in most cities, while being surrounded by an angry mob with vision colored by a red mist demanding blood.

Now, we've seen three hundred to one odds in the past. The Spartans of Thermopylae fame were part of a larger greek force that faced those kinds of odds according to legend. The defenders at the Alamo faced odds roughly half that. You could argue that the Spartan's were the most formidable force of their era. Yet those same Spartans were eventually defeated. I don't think we're going to propose the idea that the police are the equivalent of the Spartan Warriors of lore and legend.

Now, I think we've demonstrated that your FB friend is an idiot. My father had some advice for a cousin who had joined the military and had returned home with new Sergeant Stripes sewn to his sleeves. My father said that while leading those soldiers, every once in a while look over your shoulder to make sure they're still following you.

The Police should look over their shoulders about now, because their supporters are dwindling, and soon they're going to be standing in the Valley of the Little Big Horn and wondering where all those Indians came from. (I know they're called Native Americans or Indigenous Americans these days, but the joke doesn't work with that so please forgive me)

Somehow I became FB "friends" with a cop...... socialist_n_TN Dec 2014 #1
Exactly. That's the rhetoric I've been hearing as well apples and oranges Dec 2014 #3
Exactly. brush Dec 2014 #30
Interesting. Savannahmann Dec 2014 #42
I don't disagree that he's an idiot...... socialist_n_TN Dec 2014 #44
It is very clear in my mind ... cops murdering / using exessive force is reprehensible .... etherealtruth Dec 2014 #2
Well said. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #4
Holy shit! Common sense. Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #11
Murdering cops has NEVER been tolerated!!! ret5hd Dec 2014 #26
+infinity. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #27
ditto. + Infinity nt ecstatic Dec 2014 #29
Perhaps if you reread ... you will see that I made the distinction .... etherealtruth Dec 2014 #40
EXACTLY!!! nt Raine Dec 2014 #43
I haven't had any interaction with police for several years. lpbk2713 Dec 2014 #5
They don't sign up to be killed though treestar Dec 2014 #6
Yes, great idea. F4lconF16 Dec 2014 #7
Go to court to assert your rights! treestar Dec 2014 #12
Oh you are SO right tkmorris Dec 2014 #24
The courts helped Trayvon, Jordan, Brown, Garner get justice... ecstatic Dec 2014 #28
Some people live in TV Land Tsiyu Dec 2014 #35
Really, are you paying attention? You blame all the victims for behaving incorrectly now? Classy.... Logical Dec 2014 #8
I was responding to the concept that cops "sign up for" getting shot treestar Dec 2014 #13
Well, sometimes when a cop is beating you you tend to instinctively defend yourself. Stu[id people. Logical Dec 2014 #16
Really so they beat people out of nowhere? treestar Dec 2014 #18
YOU are claiming they never do?? Seriously? nt Logical Dec 2014 #21
Ahem. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #37
Dead people don't get to "assert their rights in court". You think Tamir Johnson was resisting in TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #17
Each case is different treestar Dec 2014 #19
But they DO sign up for a risky job...... Logical Dec 2014 #22
What of law? You are talking about rule of law enforcement and pretending it is the rule of law TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #25
The OP said cops sign up for a job that can at times be dangerous . . . brush Dec 2014 #31
Neither do convenience store clerks but do you support one saying it looked like he was helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #10
A clerk would get self defense there treestar Dec 2014 #14
because the court system is where you want to be lame54 Dec 2014 #15
It is ridiculous to throw the court system out entirely treestar Dec 2014 #20
It's ridiculous to pretend some cops don't abuse their badge. Rex Dec 2014 #34
Please . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #36
The court system does not function the same for all individuals justiceischeap Dec 2014 #41
Lol! Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #23
Yeah...not like all the other jobs that people do sign up to be killed. Right? Rex Dec 2014 #33
As long as the cop got home safely helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #9
Construction workers have much more dangerous job. nt U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #32
A lot of people do. LuvNewcastle Dec 2014 #38
For some reason cop deaths are more important than normal people deaths. Nt Logical Dec 2014 #45
Very well said. WhiteAndNerdy Dec 2014 #39
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