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11. 'Ukrainian military worker' claims one of his country's fighter jets shot down MH17 after confusing

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Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:26 AM

Dec 2014

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The pilot, named as Captain Vladislav Voloshin, said 'the plane was in the wrong place at the wrong time' evidently having confused the Boeing for a military target, said the source.

'In the second half of the day, roughly an hour before the Boeing was shot down, three fighters took off,' said the source. 'I don't remember the exact hour. One of the jets was equipped with air-to-air missiles. It was a Sukhoi-25.'

Only one plane returned to this air base, he said, and it was the one that previously had the missiles suspended below.

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'They are suspended to a fighter jet only on a special order,' he said. 'Most typically, the commanders didn't order this because such missiles can't be carried in the air for no particular reason.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2886263/Ukrainian-military-worker-claims-one-country-s-fighter-jets-shot-MH17-confusing-passenger-plane-Russian-air-force.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

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Witness to fighter pilot's comments after airliner's destruction passes lie detector test. [View all] another_liberal Dec 2014 OP

Polygraphs are not "lie detectors." Archae Dec 2014 #1

They are effective at detecting lies rock Dec 2014 #15

No they don't because it would not fit their meme nt arthritisR_US Dec 2014 #106

ANY pathological liar can pass a "lie detector" test. hobbit709 Dec 2014 #2

Or genuinely sincere, mistaken people. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2014 #24

correct nt Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #27

Putin and pathological liar, one and the same. nt arthritisR_US Dec 2014 #107

I don't know the truth of what happened TexasProgresive Dec 2014 #3

k/r Thanks for the updates nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #4

"It's amazing how many people are anti discussion on a discussion board" Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #5

Thank you. another_liberal Dec 2014 #7

Well Boreal Dec 2014 #25

it's not a "development" just because it's reported on rt.com CreekDog Dec 2014 #81

+INFINITY!!!!!!!!!!!nt newfie11 Dec 2014 #9

Do you just have a Word document somewhere with this stuff ready? NuclearDem Dec 2014 #23

The OPs second paragraph is anti-discussion isn't it? treestar Dec 2014 #32

Yep, but it is OK for them Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #37

a "lie detctor test" Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #6

An unnamed Ukraining citizen edhopper Dec 2014 #8

"Russia’s Investigative Committee" Takket Dec 2014 #10

'Ukrainian military worker' claims one of his country's fighter jets shot down MH17 after confusing bemildred Dec 2014 #11

MH17: Russian investigators claim proof from witness that Ukrainian pilot involved in downing of fli bemildred Dec 2014 #12

And who is the crime boss of Dnipropetrovsk? Boreal Dec 2014 #33

The "black boxes" would be usefull in determing... Historic NY Dec 2014 #56

They also have the communications Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #60

I don't follow the "evidence" much, but it seems to have been very sudden, bemildred Dec 2014 #61

MH17: Russia reveals 'witness' who blames Ukraine pilot bemildred Dec 2014 #13

"an Su-25 fighter pilot had fired his air-to-air missiles at the wrong aircraft." EX500rider Dec 2014 #26

I am sure this goes Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #28

That was my guess too. And it's hearsay. nt bemildred Dec 2014 #35

And floated by formerly respected journalist Robert Parry, too... SidDithers Dec 2014 #53

Putin's Boreal Dec 2014 #38

So the Ukrainian's were tying to get nuked is your story? EX500rider Dec 2014 #40

when you have to grasp at straws ...... Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #42

Nuked? Boreal Dec 2014 #46

actually the armed thugs Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #48

The Ukrainian military and oligarch batallions Boreal Dec 2014 #63

Maidan left and free elections were held after Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #65

Maidan were still occupying buildings Boreal Dec 2014 #78

"California National Guard" Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #83

Yes, the California National Guard Boreal Dec 2014 #89

Wow Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #92

What do you think the response of the Russians would be to Putin being murdered by.. EX500rider Dec 2014 #50

Assuming there is enough access to the wreckage, this should be a solvable question... Sancho Dec 2014 #14

The wreckage is now in the custody of NATO members, such as the Dutch. another_liberal Dec 2014 #17

You posted that as a joke right? FBaggins Dec 2014 #85

+1 nt arely staircase Dec 2014 #148

The rebels shot down several planes before this. AFAIK, the government shot down none. pampango Dec 2014 #16

The James Gang had never robbed a train . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #18

But after their first few train robberies they were suspects in later robberies moreso pampango Dec 2014 #21

The militia shot down Boreal Dec 2014 #57

Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam... SidDithers Dec 2014 #19

Thank god you showed up, Sid. I was so bored of all the intelligent replies! Scootaloo Dec 2014 #30

You actually think the RT nonsense posted in the OP deserves intelligent replies?... SidDithers Dec 2014 #55

I think that it garnered plenty of them, and yours was not in their number Scootaloo Dec 2014 #58

Some DUers have more patience than I do... SidDithers Dec 2014 #59

Do you imagine that another_liberal will stop postingto spare himself your disdain? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #62

Nope. I doubt there's anything that will stop them from spamming GD... SidDithers Dec 2014 #64

Well, it's not spam if it contains content Scootaloo Dec 2014 #66

106 of his last 112 threads, 6 months worth, have linked to rt.com... SidDithers Dec 2014 #68

It isn't spam FBaggins Dec 2014 #86

DU must think its credible. nilesobek Dec 2014 #90

People post crap from Natural News too tammywammy Dec 2014 #111

If the source is so discounted nilesobek Dec 2014 #127

That's not how DU works. tammywammy Dec 2014 #134

Where else can you get news about Russia? nilesobek Dec 2014 #136

Try posting RT on the "Latest Breaking News" page and see how that goes... EX500rider Dec 2014 #122

Security Service denies that Ukraine warplane may have shot down MH17 bemildred Dec 2014 #20

So what? NuclearDem Dec 2014 #22

interesting theory Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #31

As others have said, a polygraph is not an effective "lie detector." Scootaloo Dec 2014 #29

A simple trick. nilesobek Dec 2014 #91

More Russia Today crap from our premier Russia Today crap poster HERVEPA Dec 2014 #34

106 of his last 112 threads... SidDithers Dec 2014 #43

That just means like 50 million other Americans, he gets his news from RT! zappaman Dec 2014 #45

watched or available to? Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #49

I think it's up to 100 million by now...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #52

or several hundred billion nt Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #54

Billions and billions HERVEPA Dec 2014 #72

Awesome nt Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #75

I think the number is closer to 1 brazilian Major Nikon Dec 2014 #114

Might be low Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #123

LOL, How'd I ever miss that post? FSogol Dec 2014 #74

Many moons later, and that claim that is yet to be substantiated. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2014 #76

I have not found how they come up with it Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #77

Don't worry about it. You'll never find it. Many have tried, and failed. Someone tried to pass... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2014 #79

Thats what my research shows Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #80

Don't hold your breath. n/t zappaman Dec 2014 #82

I know nt Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #84

"Thanks, maybe the person putting this out will cite a source, right?" Tarheel_Dem Dec 2014 #119

BBC World Service fears losing information war as Russia Today ramps up pressure reorg Dec 2014 #95

Lots of RT propaganda Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #98

If RT is really so marginal and unimportant reorg Dec 2014 #99

so once again you fail to answer one simple question Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #100

which number? reorg Dec 2014 #104

50 Million Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #105

no reorg Dec 2014 #110

So even you agree Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #112

not I, RT agrees with you reorg Dec 2014 #116

You are Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #120

"why the permanent hate messages and vapid dismissals here" jberryhill Dec 2014 #101

if there were only a dozen gay-bashers in the US reorg Dec 2014 #108

You mean facts, right? Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #113

+1,000,0000,0000 Tarheel_Dem Dec 2014 #70

So, despite the overwhelming evidence that Russian-backed rebels LincolnsLeftHand Dec 2014 #36

The evidence Boreal Dec 2014 #67

And it's been addressed over and over again how it's impossible NuclearDem Dec 2014 #69

what was the altitude of both planes Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #71

Here's the planes flight path: EX500rider Dec 2014 #39

They took the long way nt Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #44

Kick for Putin! zappaman Dec 2014 #41

Pravda, comrade rjsquirrel Dec 2014 #47

Lol...polygraph test. Iggo Dec 2014 #51

"Russian Investigative Committee" Meh... chrisa Dec 2014 #73

Investigative Committee of Russia... NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #94

so the committee Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #102

Seems legit. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #103

"subordinate to the president" doesnt mean precisely the same thing as "works directly for NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #124

In this case Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #125

Because you have inside knowledge of the matter no doubt. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #126

no Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #131

Let's stipulate that you don't trust US media.... brooklynite Dec 2014 #87

Screw that! Next thing you know, you'll be telling us to disregard the National Enquirer! randome Dec 2014 #117

I have a firm policy: if the National Enquirer AND The Star run the same headline, then it's true... brooklynite Dec 2014 #118

I don't know any more about this than .. sendero Dec 2014 #88

Ukraine does not have the recorders Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #93

We shall..... sendero Dec 2014 #96

of course not and the data will come out Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #97

I read it on RT, so it must be true! backscatter712 Dec 2014 #109

As it happens, it is. reorg Dec 2014 #115

Some indeed are true Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #121

"I'm gonna hate me some Russians . . ." another_liberal Dec 2014 #128

and you are wrong Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #130

It's a close paraphrase of some dialog in the movie . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #140

Dude, you should just change your avatar... SidDithers Dec 2014 #137

Love it Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #138

Don't get me started on what you need to change . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #139

Take your best shot, comrade...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #142

So we're supposed to forget all the recorded radio traffic between the Russian army and rebels? Calista241 Dec 2014 #129

NATO made it up Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #132

oh. well that makes sense. damn magic cookies. Calista241 Dec 2014 #135

The polygraph is a placebo, with no other science behind it. Orsino Dec 2014 #133

The Polygraph, while not admissible as trial evidence, is widely used by investigators . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #141

There's a widespread belief in its efficacy... Orsino Dec 2014 #143

You're an expert on the efficacy of the Polygraph and other "Stress testing?" another_liberal Dec 2014 #144

I see you are Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #147

There's no such thing as expertise on something that doesn't exist. Orsino Dec 2014 #150

Yeah, and Aldrich Ames beat it. Twice. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #149

Rational people know what we were told made no sense malaise Dec 2014 #145

Right . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #146

Polygraphs are not accurate. riqster Dec 2014 #151

Perhaps I haven't paid close enough attention, but why is a SAM strike so much more plausible catbyte Dec 2014 #152

Three reasons: NuclearDem Dec 2014 #153

Thank you! catbyte Dec 2014 #154