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In reply to the discussion: Witness to fighter pilot's comments after airliner's destruction passes lie detector test. [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)16. The rebels shot down several planes before this. AFAIK, the government shot down none.
Largely because there were no planes for government planes to shoot at.
Then a mistake is made and the wrong plane is shot down. Which side is more likely at fault - the one that had used missiles to shot down several planes in the days and weeks before that or the one that had not shot any planes down.
... he personally saw the plane piloted by Voloshin armed with R-60 air-to-air missiles ...
I suspect many countries have fighter planes armed with air-to-air missiles. That is one of the jobs that fighter planes do. The fact that it had such missiles does not prove anything any more than the fact that rebel forces had ground-to-air missiles.
Hypothetically, whose plane would a Ukrainian fighter pilot been thinking he was shooting down. "... the rebel forces had no military aircraft."
The plane entered Ukrainian airspace from Poland. It was not likely to be a hostile aircraft coming from Poland. If he thought he was shooting at a Russian plane that approaching the border with Russia, he must have a death wish since he would have been lucky to make it back to his base if he shot down a Russian plane. There were large scale Russian military maneuvers going on just over the border. It would not have taken long to target him.
Despite all this, if one wants to contend that we can't be absolutely 100% certain beyond even the slightest shadow of a doubt (the same line of reasoning offered by climate change deniers), fine but let's not pretend that the only interest in raising doubts is to keep an open mind and to pursue the truth. We all know that is not the immediate goal of RT or the Russian government.
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Witness to fighter pilot's comments after airliner's destruction passes lie detector test. [View all]
another_liberal
Dec 2014
OP
'Ukrainian military worker' claims one of his country's fighter jets shot down MH17 after confusing
bemildred
Dec 2014
#11
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bemildred
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#12
"an Su-25 fighter pilot had fired his air-to-air missiles at the wrong aircraft."
EX500rider
Dec 2014
#26
What do you think the response of the Russians would be to Putin being murdered by..
EX500rider
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#50
Assuming there is enough access to the wreckage, this should be a solvable question...
Sancho
Dec 2014
#14
The rebels shot down several planes before this. AFAIK, the government shot down none.
pampango
Dec 2014
#16
But after their first few train robberies they were suspects in later robberies moreso
pampango
Dec 2014
#21
You actually think the RT nonsense posted in the OP deserves intelligent replies?...
SidDithers
Dec 2014
#55
Do you imagine that another_liberal will stop postingto spare himself your disdain?
Scootaloo
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#62
Don't worry about it. You'll never find it. Many have tried, and failed. Someone tried to pass...
Tarheel_Dem
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#79
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NewDeal_Dem
Dec 2014
#124
Screw that! Next thing you know, you'll be telling us to disregard the National Enquirer!
randome
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#117
I have a firm policy: if the National Enquirer AND The Star run the same headline, then it's true...
brooklynite
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#118
So we're supposed to forget all the recorded radio traffic between the Russian army and rebels?
Calista241
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#129
The Polygraph, while not admissible as trial evidence, is widely used by investigators . . .
another_liberal
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#141
You're an expert on the efficacy of the Polygraph and other "Stress testing?"
another_liberal
Dec 2014
#144