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64. Sure. Fast track will probably get passed.

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Wed May 13, 2015, 07:12 PM

May 2015

I'm just saying that the Democrats as a whole aren't to blame for this, even if individual Democrats are.

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TPP goes forward. [View all] mmonk May 2015 OP

It's just unbelievable marym625 May 2015 #1

A very familiar pattern by now. woo me with science May 2015 #80

Yeah. It's all such bullshit. marym625 May 2015 #128

Yes..... sendero May 2015 #129

TPTB have successfully implemented their vision/strategy. Two parties, one outcome. (my new book) NYC_SKP May 2015 #140

I understand. We all reach a breaking point. I did that myself after Dimon Autumn May 2015 #2

I am with you, sir or madam. djean111 May 2015 #3

Bernie shall be nominated, RoccoR5955 May 2015 #11

Me too. closeupready May 2015 #73

The fix is in, just as it always has been for the last 35 years. hifiguy May 2015 #4

Oh, it's going to collapse. The *only* remaining question is: at what cost? villager May 2015 #29

A thorough systemic collapse hifiguy May 2015 #41

Humans making deliberately wise decisions about their social and economic structures... villager May 2015 #49

Shitting Robots You Can Believe In! Octafish May 2015 #102

I love it! RoccoR5955 May 2015 #139

Will there be an ark? A way of surviving? jwirr May 2015 #108

It won't be needed. hifiguy May 2015 #110

Thank you. That is clearer. Me and my family are already about half way there. Poor and working jwirr May 2015 #124

I think lhat a part of it will be hifiguy May 2015 #126

I think we can see this throughout history. But for most of my life I have been a pacifist. I hate jwirr May 2015 #127

socialist_n_Tn posted this great nugget of truth a few days ago ... F4lconF16 May 2015 #134

I especially like the 2nd paragraph. We must stand together. jwirr May 2015 #135

Do you have a link to the OP with that quote? hifiguy May 2015 #141

And Obama Go Vols May 2015 #65

I'm right there with you MissDeeds May 2015 #75

I just changed back to the Dems. sadoldgirl May 2015 #5

Unaffiliated folks will still get their serving of crow when the TPP turns out to be a good deal. tridim May 2015 #6

Oh, it's a great deal.... daleanime May 2015 #7

What's your evidence? Julian Assange? tridim May 2015 #21

Simply my own eyes, where's all the profit in this economy been going? daleanime May 2015 #27

Based on what? Obama's word? Autumn May 2015 #8

Yes. nt tridim May 2015 #17

Enjoy your crow then , Democratic crow will taste no better than Unaffiliated crow. Autumn May 2015 #19

I'm not worried. tridim May 2015 #23

I'm not proud of either at this time. Autumn May 2015 #25

DU used to be Democratic Underground. I don't think it is anymore. leftofcool May 2015 #28

Well, it used be more "Underground." Where it was understood that meant questioning... villager May 2015 #31

It was started during the Bush years, when all Democrats felt more underground. pnwmom May 2015 #86

Yes, it was started then and I was posting then, and the spirit was more "Underground" villager May 2015 #89

That was your impression, but not mine. I feel that over the years this site has attracted pnwmom May 2015 #103

Interesting. I've seen a more vociferous defense of formerly right-tilted positions here villager May 2015 #112

I agree. nt Mojorabbit May 2015 #130

It's become FarLeftUnderground. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #39

That is ridiculous. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #46

If the shoe fits. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #50

It doesn't. Sorry holding Dem values is not far left. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #54

+1 Go Vols May 2015 #70

What about basic Dem principles does the TPP violate? MohRokTah May 2015 #91

I hear ya. I am a Truman Dem who still identifies as a Centrist, I catch a lot of flak. riqster May 2015 #58

Faux Dems hijack the party then move it right and call you Far Left. Crazy how that works. Broward May 2015 #63

you got it G_j May 2015 #94

FDR haters. L0oniX May 2015 #97

I see that also. One damn sure thing this issue and the insults that are flying from the WH and many jwirr May 2015 #114

No kidding! leftofcool May 2015 #107

Oh please . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #115

Oh please... MohRokTah May 2015 #120

Wanna know something? F4lconF16 May 2015 #132

Only because the DLC RoccoR5955 May 2015 #138

Yes - when our Presidents were true Democrats. 840high May 2015 #85

+1. Hoyt May 2015 #35

It is sounding more and more like a cult of personality zeemike May 2015 #81

He said it'd work out. He didn't elaborate on for whom. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #96

I feel sorry for you. 840high May 2015 #82

I keep asking you folks, got any lotto numbers? n2doc May 2015 #9

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast May 2015 #32

I agree. Aerows May 2015 #42

And if she's elected hifiguy May 2015 #43

It's different this time awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #72

Do you get to eat crow when it fails? mmonk May 2015 #10

Sure, why not. nt tridim May 2015 #18

While many notible people have given many ways this can be bad, NO ONE has come forward rhett o rick May 2015 #12

From above - we get crow to eat if it works out. That's about the most positive jtuck004 May 2015 #24

If they do something to minimize currency manipulation, it will Hoyt May 2015 #47

The President has said he will veto any bill that requires curbs on currency manipulation n/t n2doc May 2015 #104

Unfortunately crow, squirrel, and possum are all any of us has to look forward to should TPP pass. bluesbassman May 2015 #26

+1 Enthusiast May 2015 #34

Bwahahahahahah L0oniX May 2015 #95

So we get to eat Crow if it Passes (Celebration Dinner) , after that we get Cat Food bahrbearian May 2015 #111

Grrrr ananda May 2015 #13

I only hope your judgment is not harsh. I will vote my only option mmonk May 2015 #14

Right there with you Robbins May 2015 #15

Don't stay home. F4lconF16 May 2015 #136

Time to find a new country newfie11 May 2015 #16

Like which country? Canada? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #20

Good call... Thespian2 May 2015 #78

Europeans are into free trade too Cali_Democrat May 2015 #87

Just saying Thespian2 May 2015 #131

Yeah. And the Europeans are protesting the TTIP. Looks like this new corporate-controlled "trade" djean111 May 2015 #90

Ecuador nt newfie11 May 2015 #123

Good luck finding one not part of the TPP. leftofcool May 2015 #30

Ecuador newfie11 May 2015 #121

i here russia is a nice place stonecutter357 May 2015 #36

One in the Scandinavia sounds good to me. L0oniX May 2015 #116

"When an elephant flies, you don't blame it because it can't stay up there very long." Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #22

Most of the Democrats in Congress will likely vote against TPP. Unvanguard May 2015 #33

That isn't the point. Why fast track it? still_one May 2015 #40

Most Democrats in Congress might also vote against fast track. Unvanguard May 2015 #44

Maybe, but I suspect they got the cover they needed, it will be fast tracked still_one May 2015 #55

Sure. Fast track will probably get passed. Unvanguard May 2015 #64

Sherrod Brown who did his pomp and circumstance yesterday, had no problem with still_one May 2015 #37

Goes forward proudly displaying a fresh coat of lipstick. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #38

They think they have their cover, and we are idiots. They will vote against the TPP still_one May 2015 #45

Oink. hifiguy May 2015 #51

So I guess Obama has delivered a stinging counter blow to the Populist Dems? MohRokTah May 2015 #48

Obama and the Republicans. bahrbearian May 2015 #113

You forgot the Democrats, too. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #119

Note our corrupt corporate Dems took the time to *pretend* they opposed it first. woo me with science May 2015 #52

Will the Oregonites aspirant May 2015 #83

It's Oregonians and no, not if he votes for it the delay will just irk people more. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #105

Nope. F4lconF16 May 2015 #137

.....!!!!!!!!!!!! KoKo May 2015 #88

+1000 MissDeeds May 2015 #92

To everyone that opposes the TPP Aerows May 2015 #53

.. and those who support them without asking questions. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #56

The only reason Aerows May 2015 #59

I don't know if I am for or against it, but I am against fast tracking it still_one May 2015 #57

Well how in the hell can you know whether to be for or against it Aerows May 2015 #60

The joke is that fast track authority only requires a simple majority, so you are correct still_one May 2015 #62

If it was so good for the public Aerows May 2015 #69

It's sad that the sycophants are so personally invested in some politician that they actually cheer Marr May 2015 #61

Not really, there is a certain type of person that has hated liberals all their lives. Rex May 2015 #67

It's absolute folly. Aerows May 2015 #84

+1 darkangel218 May 2015 #101

This is disappointing Jack Rabbit May 2015 #66

If Democrats won't look after JEB May 2015 #68

So does that mean that all the high fives and "Thanks, everybody but Obama!!one" posts yesterday Number23 May 2015 #71

Looks like it. leftofcool May 2015 #109

The TPP is NOT good for America................... PumpkinAle May 2015 #74

So, doesn't the final agreement still have to be ratified by the Senate? Calista241 May 2015 #76

Yes, but with a republican-controlled Senate it's pretty-much a done deal. Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #106

Yep. No more facade. woo me with science May 2015 #77

I became an Independent - can't take it anymore. 840high May 2015 #79

At this rate, I might not be far behind you n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #117

... 840high May 2015 #133

So you finally decided the grand illusion was too costly? You know the plutocracy can buy Rex May 2015 #93

so do we think the XL pipeline is also a forgone conclusion? G_j May 2015 #98

I'm going to wait so I can vote for Bernie MissDeeds May 2015 #99

FDR haters have no business calling themselves Democrats. L0oniX May 2015 #100

+1000! n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #118

Good grief.. you people are all worked up over something that doesnt even exist yet. DCBob May 2015 #122

I'm waiting for a rendition of Aerows May 2015 #125