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107. The comments section is so Brit.

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Tue May 19, 2015, 09:37 PM

May 2015

And the author is so earnest.

It is to laugh.

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You might not think you're sexist – until you take a look at your bookshelf [View all] Liberal_in_LA May 2015 OP

This has been true since I was in HS... haikugal May 2015 #1

Same applies to racism and heterosexism (and a few other -isms). Behind the Aegis May 2015 #2

the first LGBT book I read was a novel called The Well of Loneliness cali May 2015 #4

I named one of my dogs after the horse in that book. cwydro May 2015 #8

+1 gollygee May 2015 #10

+1000. My loved ones often don't get why we can't see most films closeupready May 2015 #31

I personally dislike the idea of "positive" vs "negative" portrayals tishaLA May 2015 #69

When I said "negative" I was thinking more pedophile, pervert, stalker... Behind the Aegis May 2015 #75

Reading too much into his behavior simply on the twitter thing JonLP24 May 2015 #3

Who and what is important to me or anyone else Sobax May 2015 #5

Of course and that is not the point. morningfog May 2015 #16

Then what is the point? Sobax May 2015 #21

You don't speak for most men. morningfog May 2015 #22

But you do speak for them? Sobax May 2015 #23

Where did I say that? What the fuck? morningfog May 2015 #29

I don't see why you need to judge other people upaloopa May 2015 #61

I never judged anyone for what they want to read. morningfog May 2015 #63

What if we read for pleasure.. MicaelS May 2015 #111

Good lord. No one is forcing you to do anything. morningfog May 2015 #112

Who said they didn't have a right? laundry_queen May 2015 #17

I already know that I pick books because they interest me Sobax May 2015 #20

The whole point is that, by not paying any attention to it, gollygee May 2015 #24

In what way am I limiting myself? Sobax May 2015 #26

The article wasn't written specifically to you gollygee May 2015 #27

If you don't read only books by men, then why are you objecting to the OP? n/t kcr May 2015 #49

Well I haven't sat down and worked out exactly what the male-female ratio is Sobax May 2015 #52

Well, yes. That's the point. kcr May 2015 #53

Like most men, it's just not something I consider Sobax May 2015 #55

Okay. But the point of the OP is it is something to consider. kcr May 2015 #67

I don't agree that they are shut out, to be honest Sobax May 2015 #68

But the point of the OP isn't that there are no widely respected female authors kcr May 2015 #71

I don't think it's preventing talented female authors becoming successful Sobax May 2015 #72

But if it isn't something you consider, is it possible you're wrong? kcr May 2015 #73

I accept that our tastes are influenced by our environment Sobax May 2015 #74

A perfect example of what the author was talking about. kcr May 2015 #100

Like most men? When did you do a poll of all men in America? Is it just men in America? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #78

Men in the Western world Sobax May 2015 #80

So you are saying you know that most men in the western world are not at all misogynist? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #83

We're making a bit of a leap here Sobax May 2015 #85

I think I have made my point. But my bet is you wont see it. NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #86

Well if I was to say no, I don't think most Western men are misogynist Sobax May 2015 #87

You just suggested that making a conscience decision to only read books written by men NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #88

I didn't say there was anything conscious about my own preference Sobax May 2015 #89

Did I say you hate women? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #91

How is it misogynist exactly? Sobax May 2015 #93

Oh lawd laundry_queen May 2015 #102

You wrote: "All men born in an extremely misogynist society" jonno99 May 2015 #103

Wait a minute. Are some men hatched out of eggs? n/t kcr May 2015 #109

What happens if an intelligent person re-examines how his or her views are shaped... Orrex May 2015 #153

why is it an either/or Skittles May 2015 #165

It isn't an either/or, which is my point Orrex May 2015 #176

you just completely negated your point Skittles May 2015 #181

Not at all. Orrex May 2015 #194

it is AMAZING how many people miss this point Skittles May 2015 #164

It's pretty clearly a passive/aggressive insult, though Orrex May 2015 #177

um, no, that's not what it is, not at all Skittles May 2015 #179

I think perhaps I was unclear. Orrex May 2015 #193

it's The Guardian: "33 new ways to flagellate yourself about how you never suspected MisterP May 2015 #37

You don't think it's a real issue that people often don't think about how their tastes are shaped? kcr May 2015 #50

Apparently Jessica Valenti in particular already has a reputation for this kind of thing Sobax May 2015 #57

oh, it IS Valenti, I should've checked MisterP May 2015 #64

Julie Burchill was another one if I recall Sobax May 2015 #70

Burchill was already perfectly ghastly when she started as a music reviewer hifiguy May 2015 #173

you again Skittles May 2015 #106

If you look at your bookshelf and there's no books, lovemydog May 2015 #6

Unless you have a Kindle or a Nook! kentauros May 2015 #15

True dat, my friend. lovemydog May 2015 #120

I have a backlog of books to read, kentauros May 2015 #130

Ah, you're like me. You like to read one serious book lovemydog May 2015 #133

Actually, she covers "future" lives in "Beyond Past Lives" kentauros May 2015 #136

LOL, nice. lovemydog May 2015 #137

I don't know the different models any more. kentauros May 2015 #138

Cool. Interesting point about the sexuality of authors. lovemydog May 2015 #139

Honestly, I'm a slow reader. kentauros May 2015 #140

Good one! Thanks for the smile! jonno99 May 2015 #114

Glad you smiled, lovemydog May 2015 #119

Book burning party!!!!!! 1939 May 2015 #7

Oh yeah, that's totally what it says gollygee May 2015 #11

That's what you got out of this? laundry_queen May 2015 #18

I imagine it can often be difficult to accurately infer a simple point. LanternWaste May 2015 #38

If you're so desperately afraid of having to prove you're not a bigot- bettyellen May 2015 #44

oh stop it! Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #98

This person is reaching... Oktober May 2015 #9

I don't think they're offended. Just suggesting people could be more aware. cyberswede May 2015 #28

How about someone being aware of someone else reading their twitter feed over their shoulder on the Monk06 May 2015 #113

You seem upset. cyberswede May 2015 #115

I am upset. I'm tired of being called an endemic rapist because I was born a male. Rape Culture Monk06 May 2015 #116

The article merely suggests we might want to look at what shapes our world view cyberswede May 2015 #117

Valenti is not just indulging in an exercise of gentle persuasion that we should be more reflective Monk06 May 2015 #118

+1000 jonno99 May 2015 #128

Lol at comfortably well off women writers. Many women could not be published with a woman's name.... bettyellen May 2015 #190

I'm just as entitled to wallow in my resentments as Emma Sulkowitz and I'm not trying to get anyone Monk06 May 2015 #195

Wallow away, forgetting actual history and supplying pointless lists in it's stead. bettyellen May 2015 #196

I have no problem with feminists as long as they are intellectually honest about the progress Monk06 May 2015 #197

Agreed. I've begun puting most of them here on ignore. closeupready May 2015 #129

This might be more societal than individual gollygee May 2015 #12

Anyone who has all the Harry Potter books gets lots of brownie points in this regard. Nye Bevan May 2015 #13

*raises hand* frylock May 2015 #35

Fantastic, and The Silkworm too. Nye Bevan May 2015 #36

I just learned a couple of weeks ago about The Silkworm.. frylock May 2015 #39

I even enjoyed The Casual Vacancy Retrograde May 2015 #90

I absolutely loved the Potter books. hifiguy May 2015 #142

A her publisher's request mercuryblues May 2015 #198

Now I'll have to ask On-Semi, Int'l Rectifier etc. who wrote their Catalogs (male or female) One_Life_To_Give May 2015 #14

That is about as nerdy a post as I can imagine. hifiguy May 2015 #143

Maybe When I RobinA May 2015 #19

... 99Forever May 2015 #25

I attempted to start a discussion about sexism in sports, closeupready May 2015 #30

Oh- must have been your "tone"- right? bettyellen May 2015 #42

I want not to hijack this thread, but here's the post: closeupready May 2015 #51

Ah, I saw that you ignored all the reasonable replies and went on to insist it was sexism, lol. bettyellen May 2015 #105

Oh my God, it applies to all minorities as well. Example, it's obvious from the posts about LGBT Bluenorthwest May 2015 #32

+1000000000000000000000 NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #81

I read books based on topics, not authors FLPanhandle May 2015 #33

History books can be different depending on who writes them gollygee May 2015 #34

As history is not static, but repeatedly and consistently interpreted. LanternWaste May 2015 #40

Historians have consistantly downplayed the accomplishments of women and POC bettyellen May 2015 #41

This is a ridiculously good point gollygee May 2015 #43

All true FLPanhandle May 2015 #45

It's stuck me as funny how people even here assume that non-fiction= accurate portrayal of history.. bettyellen May 2015 #46

Which is why everyone should read Howard Zinn. hifiguy May 2015 #144

Great book! But I am puzzled by so many being offended by asking to just pause and reflect about bettyellen May 2015 #145

As I posted downthread, I just follow my interests. hifiguy May 2015 #147

Well it sounds like you're pretty well rounded but I don't doubt that there are some bettyellen May 2015 #148

A female friend - the wife of a now-late friend of mine, hifiguy May 2015 #149

Davies sounds like something I would like- thank you! And here is where bettyellen May 2015 #169

He has been called Canada's greatest "man of letters" hifiguy May 2015 #171

I was thinking the Cornish trilogy- which one starts off better? bettyellen May 2015 #172

Cornish is lighter in tone, IIRC hifiguy May 2015 #174

Will definitely check him out- thank you greatly! bettyellen May 2015 #175

Wow- can you imagine what kind of troglodyte would get so offended by my post bettyellen May 2015 #182

How that post of yours could inspire a troll is quite beyond me. hifiguy May 2015 #184

I wish I knew what the troll said, lol. for some reason people really open up to me and I've bettyellen May 2015 #185

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #180

The important thing is, people are reading The2ndWheel May 2015 #47

My book and CD collection are mainly female Beaverhausen May 2015 #48

Was that done on purpose? FLPanhandle May 2015 #56

Geez, are we to the point we criticize other upaloopa May 2015 #54

My Bookshelf Is Loaded With. . . ProfessorGAC May 2015 #58

as a purely intellectual exercise you might note how many books are written by women- KittyWampus May 2015 #122

I Get Your Point, But I'll Pass ProfessorGAC May 2015 #123

Well, just so you know I wasn't labeling you sexist. More that society is and can influence KittyWampus May 2015 #125

Fair Enough ProfessorGAC May 2015 #135

It's worth considering el_bryanto May 2015 #59

Sexism and racism don't have to be strong words gollygee May 2015 #77

I understand where you are coming from el_bryanto May 2015 #92

A personal example... haikugal May 2015 #94

The first sentence is much better. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #82

Very good point. Thanks for that. Passive bias. I'd prefer subconscious bias but that's cause KittyWampus May 2015 #126

I read books because they're well writtin, informative, amusing, dramatic, etc. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #60

This is very true, but only if your collections are extremely lopsidedly male. Quantess May 2015 #62

Sorry, but that's entirely too facile tishaLA May 2015 #65

"passive recipient"? that, plus "massive desperation" is Valenti in a nutshell MisterP May 2015 #76

Is it sexist if I have "Brother John" and "Father Huntington"? hfojvt May 2015 #66

I would say the bookshelf may reflect society's perisistent biases moreso geek tragedy May 2015 #79

What are people supposed to do if they find their bookshelves dominated by one gender? LittleBlue May 2015 #84

Why would they have to be random? kcr May 2015 #101

it's strange how the point can be so completely missed on a progressive board Skittles May 2015 #108

The point isn't missed LittleBlue May 2015 #152

you missed it again Skittles May 2015 #158

Interesting LittleBlue May 2015 #162

triple!!! Skittles May 2015 #163

For what it's worth LittleBlue May 2015 #166

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles May 2015 #167

I like good books LittleBlue May 2015 #151

Who cares? romanic May 2015 #95

I am male. Read mostly fiction crime thrillers bigwillq May 2015 #96

I read where my interests lead me. hifiguy May 2015 #97

I haven't gone through my LWolf May 2015 #99

When it comes to music, I've got the bases covered.... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #127

But, do you have the basses covered, too? kentauros May 2015 #132

So if my friend reccomends a book, I have to find out the sex of the author first? Travis_0004 May 2015 #104

The comments section is so Brit. GoneOffShore May 2015 #107

She's been spending too much time reading Griselda Pollock. Yes the world would be a better place Monk06 May 2015 #110

Don't put the author's name or picture on books or articles anymore The2ndWheel May 2015 #121

IMO, article errs in saying "YOU" are sexist if main literary intake is male. It may very well be KittyWampus May 2015 #124

I have a good friend who claims the only book he ever read was Bruce Jenner's biography (1977) Buzz Clik May 2015 #131

LoL! hifiguy May 2015 #141

I'm a white male. Everything I do is wrong. I get it. Blue_Adept May 2015 #134

If you say so- has nothing to do with the OP but.... bettyellen May 2015 #146

It's just the blanket thing from the header/subject Blue_Adept May 2015 #150

Not sure where you see the entitled thing bettyellen May 2015 #159

no one said that Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #188

Would not the same logic hold true in voting patterns? If you vote for men, you must be sexist? lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #154

I actually think this question deserves a response. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #192

Maybe, but there is more than subconscious sexism going on Android3.14 May 2015 #155

And this looks interesting. can you tell the gender of an author from their writing Android3.14 May 2015 #156

Apparently men submit writing at a rate two times women Android3.14 May 2015 #157

So - publishers advised women to use their first initial only why exactly? bettyellen May 2015 #160

No argument there Android3.14 May 2015 #161

I think it's more like few to none women authors, rather than an equal number... bettyellen May 2015 #170

I try not Snow Leopard May 2015 #168

Read the article, read the comments there, read the comments here. GoneOffShore May 2015 #178

Thank you, Liberal_in_LA! Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #183

' Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #187

... Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #189

Not true. I just picked up a copy of Moby Vagina over the weekend. NightWatcher May 2015 #186

You might not think you're a sexist - but I'm going invent a reason to accuse you of being one! DesMoinesDem May 2015 #191