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stevenleser

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51. Agree with both of your comments. IMO at the least, art has a right to describe all aspects of life.

Wed May 20, 2015, 09:52 AM

May 2015

Perhaps even an obligation.

Imagine, and I think you agree with me, if despots and dictators were described as warm and fuzzy people because we don't want to upset anyone. I think that would be a huge mistake.

My understanding for instance is that Uday and Qusay, Saddam Hussein's sons, among many other sadistic aspects of them, both were serial rapists and used their positions as Saddam's sons to avoid prosecution for it.

I would expect any depiction of Saddam and his sons to make that clear, perhaps graphically so. I want them to seem like horrific people because they were. I don't want that watered down at all.

I am not familiar with Game of Thrones. But if the person being depicted is a sadistic rapist, I don't understand the complaints about depicting him that way.

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Viewers Are Quitting 'Game Of Thrones' After That Controversial Scene [View all] Lunabell May 2015 OP

Castration ok, torture, ok. Bloody killing of children, men and women, ok. Bonobo May 2015 #1

It's like they've never read the books. bravenak May 2015 #4

That scene diverged really far from the book. *SPOILERS, OBVIOUSLY* LeftyMom May 2015 #5

The only difference is the character it happens to. bravenak May 2015 #6

Like the stuff at Craster's keep. geek tragedy May 2015 #43

Dany's situation was far more troubling to me. dawg May 2015 #46

The way she was trying so hard to please him. I did not appreciate that. bravenak May 2015 #56

Hey, at least in the show she was of legal age. Arkana May 2015 #83

No shit. That was sick. bravenak May 2015 #86

But in these kinds of societies it was the norm Blue_Adept May 2015 #89

Yeah, it still gives me pause at first. bravenak May 2015 #90

Yeah, the fear of the writer dying is always a concern here Blue_Adept May 2015 #93

the book was worse samsingh May 2015 #52

I agree. bravenak May 2015 #55

this did not shock me - it's what i've come to expect from that universe samsingh May 2015 #71

Me too. bravenak May 2015 #74

maybe next season samsingh May 2015 #87

He (grrm) says that he's trying to get th next book done before the next season. bravenak May 2015 #91

"WRITE, MOTHER##$#ER, WRITE!" Warren DeMontague May 2015 #150

They messed up Sansa's development last season LittleBlue May 2015 #10

Maybe. Or maybe the writers were actually trying to be sensitive about the nature of the scene by Warren DeMontague May 2015 #17

Just admit it, it's turning into a crapfest. :-) seaglass May 2015 #36

GoT lost me after the first season. ananda May 2015 #59

No, the Dorne thing was weak, but it's kind of typical of what happens with the writers when they Warren DeMontague May 2015 #143

I agree with this... one_voice May 2015 #99

Theon being forced to watch may be an important plot point, however, dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #29

It can indeed, be rather difficult to realize different triggers affect different people. LanternWaste May 2015 #44

Or it could be extreme disregard for everything except what concerns you. Bonobo May 2015 #50

I would ask you to elaborate. NCTraveler May 2015 #104

She's a fictional character LittleBlue May 2015 #2

Rape doesn't have to happen to a real person in order to be disgusting and repulsive. Sheldon Cooper May 2015 #14

Yes, they are. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #18

Lol. Hassin Bin Sober May 2015 #42

hey leave sheldon alone!! yodermon May 2015 #48

Plus, I'm not sure why a show that treats smart people like they're some sort of freaks Warren DeMontague May 2015 #158

I always refer to that show as Amos n Andy with "smart" people CBGLuthier May 2015 #160

We're saying that this is a particularly strange hill to die on, Arkana May 2015 #84

Yeah, I got that. Sheldon Cooper May 2015 #97

It is a "to each their own" type situation. Jamastiene May 2015 #134

You may end up disappointed Blue_Adept May 2015 #138

Yeah. catrose May 2015 #102

Who said they weren't allowed? You're putting words in my mouth LittleBlue May 2015 #105

"Incontinent" opinions? Sheldon Cooper May 2015 #110

The autocorrect on my Samsung is the worst I've ever owned LittleBlue May 2015 #113

And I contend that you aren't going to find any explanation 'good' enough to suit you. Sheldon Cooper May 2015 #114

I already have one that fits LittleBlue May 2015 #118

Wow. So you're equating disgust and revulsion at violent rape to being merely a Sheldon Cooper May 2015 #119

I think the point is that cemaphonic May 2015 #184

So when Ramsay murdered a woman that was ok with them? n/t PoliticAverse May 2015 #3

Or when he castrated Theon... SomethingFishy May 2015 #151

Umm...what about the incestual rape last season in front of the corpse of their child? Behind the Aegis May 2015 #7

The weird thing there is, it wasn't WRITTEN as rape Scootaloo May 2015 #11

That indeed was creepy....Jamie and Cersie... FarPoint May 2015 #16

I think you mean "incestual" Warren DeMontague May 2015 #19

Yup. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #21

I took 5 years of Spanish, and if I needed to order a snack in Mexico right now Warren DeMontague May 2015 #23

Thank you for a good cleansing hearty laugh! n/t djean111 May 2015 #37

"Incestuous" is the word we're looking for Pooka Fey May 2015 #32

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LOL! Agreed! Pooka Fey May 2015 #162

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My take on the "controversial" episode 6 Sansa rape scene Pooka Fey May 2015 #169

I think the point of Game of Thrones is to make you uncomfortable with war IVoteDFL May 2015 #8

My boyfriend left that show playing all night long giftedgirl77 May 2015 #9

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It was thrown at me in a cup, by a dwarf at a soccer game.., giftedgirl77 May 2015 #30

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See & with all the violence in GOT there was none of that giftedgirl77 May 2015 #148

That is one of my most favorite movies of all time. Buscemi gets more and more aggravated KittyWampus May 2015 #153

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ROFLMAO Pooka Fey May 2015 #164

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You might have been merging "Glee" with "Game of Thrones." Arugula Latte May 2015 #101

Lol, that's terrible. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #103

They should all read this article CBGLuthier May 2015 #12

Should that author having trigger warnings for the word trigger warning? kcr May 2015 #34

I don't know if I'll stop watching but it is no longer a must see. I am a book reader and it is seaglass May 2015 #13

No they aren't. PeteSelman May 2015 #15

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When Dr Melfi got raped in "The Sopranos" that was pretty disturbing too. Nye Bevan May 2015 #24

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watching a pirated copy is actually not illegal. fyi. nt woolldog May 2015 #189

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save me from these righteous folks:"rape here, like in all instances, is not a necessary cali May 2015 #26

What an interesting threshold. Eko May 2015 #27

Nonsense. I have the feeling most of the ppl aren't viewers anyways. Oneironaut May 2015 #28

I watched the first 2 episodes of GoT and that was enough for me justiceischeap May 2015 #31

Theon? The guy who's dick was cut off? alphafemale May 2015 #33

Two points demwing May 2015 #35

huh? I don't think it could have been any clearer that it was rape. cali May 2015 #40

As I said demwing May 2015 #62

It's not Sansa killing Ramsey LittleBlue May 2015 #107

All this will probable be cleared up next Sunday night demwing May 2015 #116

Oh FFS. JTFrog May 2015 #53

Get off the high horse demwing May 2015 #61

Maybe when I'm done puking. JTFrog May 2015 #66

It's fiction demwing May 2015 #68

It's a message board JTFrog May 2015 #70

Say what you like demwing May 2015 #72

Be as gross as you want. JTFrog May 2015 #73

Your magnanimity is inspirational demwing May 2015 #77

I've never watched GOT... brooklynite May 2015 #58

Reading versus watching Blue_Adept May 2015 #65

it was most definitely rape. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2015 #141

It's worse in the book, if memory serves. WilliamPitt May 2015 #38

The Sansa storyline is made up by the show writers - she did not go to Winterfell and marry Ramsay seaglass May 2015 #49

You may be right WilliamPitt May 2015 #54

You are right. It was the girl pretending to be Arya. bravenak May 2015 #76

"And it was way way way worse in the book." WilliamPitt May 2015 #80

You're a writer, do you think it makes any difference which character it happened to? seaglass May 2015 #94

Rape is rape. WilliamPitt May 2015 #96

Yes of course rape is rape. I am probably not articulating this very well. Would it seaglass May 2015 #98

I think I know what you're saying NewJeffCT May 2015 #175

You're right Krytan11c May 2015 #63

Jeyne Pool's story is one of, if not the most, tragic in the books. herding cats May 2015 #88

Exactly Krytan11c May 2015 #92

It was disturbing. To me it points out how arranged geek tragedy May 2015 #39

yeah, that flashed through my mind to. cali May 2015 #41

I mean, how was that wedding night supposed to go? geek tragedy May 2015 #45

no kidding. it was actually the first thing I though of when cali May 2015 #47

Agree with both of your comments. IMO at the least, art has a right to describe all aspects of life. stevenleser May 2015 #51

You have it just right. bravenak May 2015 #57

The big objection, imo, is that they subjected a prominent geek tragedy May 2015 #67

*Book spoiler* About Sansa's potential book husband LittleBlue May 2015 #109

It was pretty tame, compared to what I expected demwing May 2015 #117

really? let's predict the massive drop in next week's audience numbers then... whatthehey May 2015 #60

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From what I read on wiki... Baitball Blogger May 2015 #64

I quit watching many many series after watching the first episode. Mostly for blah-ness. djean111 May 2015 #69

Lucky for me I'm not paying an insane cable bill workinclasszero May 2015 #75

One persons filth is not anothers Blue_Adept May 2015 #79

She consented to marry him mainstreetonce May 2015 #81

How did she know it would be an ugly wedding night? Ilsa May 2015 #121

Was she the only person to not know about him skinning people? Goblinmonger May 2015 #122

How would she have known? Ilsa May 2015 #125

House Bolton's sigil is a flayed man geek tragedy May 2015 #128

Okay, I must have missed some of the Ilsa May 2015 #136

I'm not saying it wasn't rape Goblinmonger May 2015 #129

Yes, he told her that. But Baelisch also needed Ilsa May 2015 #137

Why This? HassleCat May 2015 #78

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I try to remind myself when I see this stuff: "It's GRRM, that's how he writes." Arkana May 2015 #82

It didn't happen in the book. It's gratuitous and therefore it's disgusting. I don't know why OregonBlue May 2015 #85

It just happened to a different character Goblinmonger May 2015 #120

I have read the books. Twice. It is gratuitous. Not necessary to the story. OregonBlue May 2015 #126

Well, it is to a different character Goblinmonger May 2015 #130

As a twice reader of the books, you should know Ramsay Bolton is a gentle lover. AngryAmish May 2015 #171

I'll expect a big uptick in riveting Monday morning Masterpiece Theater water cooler conversations. bluedigger May 2015 #95

no one is glorifying it Marrah_G May 2015 #100

I think it's just the straw that broke... Feron May 2015 #106

I tend to agree -- it's the cumulative disdain for the way the showrunners have made it Gormy Cuss May 2015 #108

Apparently, this makes you "incontinent". Sheldon Cooper May 2015 #111

For me, the story is bogged down. Ilsa May 2015 #123

I have only read the first two books of "A Song of Ice and Fire" LostOne4Ever May 2015 #112

Not shocking if you've read the books abelenkpe May 2015 #115

People missed the entire point of the scene/arc Prism May 2015 #124

Exactly Blue_Adept May 2015 #131

Great analysis. joshcryer May 2015 #145

+1 Pooka Fey May 2015 #165

At the point Myranda told her that NewJeffCT May 2015 #173

violence, including rape, can be depicted on the screen without all of the horrid details Doctor_J May 2015 #188

Given what's already happened on the show (and the books are much worse), hughee99 May 2015 #127

ooooo, but it's Edgy��. I would have preferred a streaking farter. Eleanors38 May 2015 #132

All 6 viewers that are quitting will be dwarved by the 100s that now show up Township75 May 2015 #133

To each their own. Jamastiene May 2015 #135

Zero thirty showed torture on the screen and got a thumbs down lovuian May 2015 #139

this is literally the stupidest reason to quit GOT. first of all this rape La Lioness Priyanka May 2015 #140

Plus, they are acting like it is the first rape on the show. Jamastiene May 2015 #155

As somebody that's read the series 3 times NewJeffCT May 2015 #174

I feel the same way about that story line, especially. Jamastiene May 2015 #177

Why are depictions of violence against men tolerated? Yavin4 May 2015 #142

How are people quitting the show before the next episode airs. Travis_0004 May 2015 #146

I have never watched this show and now I know RebelOne May 2015 #147

Same here. No interest in it for me. 840high May 2015 #176

As a man I was sickened and appalled by that final scene. dilby May 2015 #156

It's normal for viewers to drop off SoCalDem May 2015 #159

There is not going to be a drop off in views. joshcryer May 2015 #161

You would think, but this show has been brutalizing its characters cemaphonic May 2015 #185

The vapors I tell ya... sendero May 2015 #163

I'm going to assume romanic May 2015 #166

I'll bet these viewers who are quitting GoT are the same viewers ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2015 #170

Isn't watching "GoT" superior to watching "American Idol"? Aren't its viewers more sophisticated? WinkyDink May 2015 #172

I intend to still watch Gothmog May 2015 #178

No, they are not. Rape is a weapon this has been used against humanity since time began. Pisces May 2015 #179

Yeah, and I'll bet that lots of viewers quit Titus Andronicus after the Lavinia scene. Orrex May 2015 #180

And the line was not crossed earlier? Generic Brad May 2015 #181

I'm curious. NaturalHigh May 2015 #182

We'll see... AnnieBW May 2015 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2015 #186

The interweb has turned people into children. AtomicKitten May 2015 #187

Despite trying a half dozen times I could never get into this show aint_no_life_nowhere May 2015 #190

My biggest complaint with Game of Thrones is the lighting. Most scenes are so dark B Calm May 2015 #192