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bvar22

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472. ..but it DOES appear you have bought the twisted propaganda...

Sat May 23, 2015, 06:05 PM

May 2015

...that prepped the USA for killing more Muslims in Africa and destroying the most progressive country in North Africa with the highest standard of living and privileges for Women,
and Freedom Bombed it back to Radical Fundamentalist Islam that has already imposed Sharia Law.

Same Shit
Different Bag.
They are evil dictators who kill their own people !
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If you're not FOR the WAR in[/font]
~~Vietnam~~
~~Afghanistan~~
~~Iraq~~
~~Libya~~
~~Syria~~
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you're WITH [/font]
~~The Communists~~
~~AlQaeda~~
~~The Terrorists~~
~~Saddam~~
~~Qaddafi~~
~~Assad~~
[font size=5]PUTIN!!!![/font]

Terror! Terror! Terror!
Evil Dictators! Booga...Booga
Terror Drones and Freedom Bombs for Peace!!!
USA....USA...USA

They are killing their own innocent people.
Don't they know that is OUR job?

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Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" (yes, smiling gleefully) [View all] Bonobo May 2015 OP

Well, fine, don't. nt MADem May 2015 #1

+ a million or so. eom BlueMTexpat May 2015 #7

Such a demeanor, a "teh hee" laugh and smile like that is suggestive of a certain character fault. NYC_SKP May 2015 #340

If you think that, vote for someone else. Try talking up your candidate instead of talking down MADem May 2015 #425

Will do. Here is NYC_SKP talking his candidate UP without tearing down anyone: NYC_SKP May 2015 #435

best advice ever. reddread May 2015 #21

Have you seen what has happened to that country, to its people, who we supposedlyh sabrina 1 May 2015 #228

If you think this method of sales you push is winning me over, think again. MADem May 2015 #433

No one should need to be 'won over' against the brutal Foreign Policies of this country we so sabrina 1 May 2015 #438

Here--have a cute animal. MADem May 2015 #441

..but it DOES appear you have bought the twisted propaganda... bvar22 May 2015 #472

I think you need a cute animal. MADem May 2015 #504

So- no real answer eh? 840high May 2015 #569

Awww....a "helper!" A cute animal for you, too! MADem May 2015 #594

We have plenty of cute animals, we don't need yours. bvar22 May 2015 #642

So gorgeous. polly7 May 2015 #647

OK fine--keep your deer, and his little friends, too! MADem May 2015 #663

Sad. nt. polly7 May 2015 #666

Yes. bvar22 May 2015 #677

Nailed it Jesus Malverde May 2015 #573

very well put dlwickham May 2015 #643

And then Libya became a shithole full of squabbling warlords eridani May 2015 #2

The horror. I think this is the real story, her true legacy reddread May 2015 #10

For the people of that African nation, whose country had the highest living standards sabrina 1 May 2015 #385

the strongest support seems to come from the investor class reddread May 2015 #455

Right on Sabrina. nt. polly7 May 2015 #457

This message was self-deleted by its author greyl May 2015 #3

I've read the quote. I did not know she laughed. Wilms May 2015 #4

I'm glad I'm not the only one viscerally disturbed by this. nt Bonobo May 2015 #5

Does the idea of Women dead in back alleys disturb you? Becuase i can assure you if a con randys1 May 2015 #28

False premise. Hillary isn't our only choice. It's not a choice between her or a republican arcane1 May 2015 #381

We're not in the general election yet. That is not an issue in the primary. cui bono May 2015 #597

Surrender to the death machine and the nation's entire tax receipts for nothing or TheKentuckian May 2015 #649

A very ugly argument, but not surprise coming from someone who supports who they do davidpdx May 2015 #688

is that what passes for laughter? foo_bar May 2015 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author cali May 2015 #6

She got caught on camera saying what.... MaggieD May 2015 #135

"We came, we saw, he died and now the place is a fucking mess. Boy did we fuck up or what?" cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #199

It was a fucking mess before too MaggieD May 2015 #203

I don't mourn his death for a fucking second. Did it make the world a better place? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #204

You just want Hillary to mourn his death? MaggieD May 2015 #211

Yup. Destroying yet another foreign country is fucking brilliant. truebrit71 May 2015 #444

That's happening far too often MissDeeds May 2015 #464

What's really swarmy Caretha May 2015 #554

And refreshing. cui bono May 2015 #598

I want her to mourn the women she condemned to rape and slaughter eridani May 2015 #503

So do you praise.. Bohemianwriter May 2015 #467

What do you mean "that followed" MaggieD May 2015 #476

Bullshit. nt. polly7 May 2015 #478

Are you seriously contending.... MaggieD May 2015 #500

Yes, I seriously am! polly7 May 2015 #502

That's just not factual MaggieD May 2015 #505

Lmfao. nt. polly7 May 2015 #508

It's not actually funny MaggieD May 2015 #512

Yes, and look at the link to Fox News, for crying out loud R B Garr May 2015 #215

That's how the extreme left rolls here MaggieD May 2015 #219

Pretty sure you're on the wrong site.... truebrit71 May 2015 #443

Odd comment coming from the person who defends Obama pushing the TPP alongside cui bono May 2015 #599

I just don't think he has nefarious motives MaggieD May 2015 #602

Doesn't change the hypocrisy of your statement about "strange bedfellows". cui bono May 2015 #606

You lost me on that one.... MaggieD May 2015 #608

So now you are redefining bedfellows? cui bono May 2015 #619

Like I said - I don't think MaggieD May 2015 #620

Yes it does make you a hypocrite. And you trying to redefine 'bedfellows' or adding a qualification cui bono May 2015 #622

She is claiming we are paid trolls davidpdx May 2015 #691

Oh shit, you caught us davidpdx May 2015 #690

Maybe you'd be better off over on Free Republic davidpdx May 2015 #689

It's kind of irrelevant that it's Fox News. President Obama has been on Fox cali May 2015 #269

Fox News is well-known for selective editing to fit their hit piece R B Garr May 2015 #331

So take it down. Kingofalldems May 2015 #364

Such a demeanor, a "ha ha ha" laugh and smile like that is suggestive of a certain character fault. NYC_SKP May 2015 #375

so she lost your vote. KMOD May 2015 #382

Well if you gotta prop up... MaggieD May 2015 #424

Speak for yourself. Marr May 2015 #392

Maybe PPP will do a poll for you MaggieD May 2015 #431

I doubt it was 99% who wanted him dead -- and of the % that did, I assume the majority karynnj May 2015 #399

Stop defending this. 840high May 2015 #572

Another link to our enemy, Fox News. And a personal attack added on. Kingofalldems May 2015 #247

So this clip is made up? truebrit71 May 2015 #448

Do I have to explain Fox news to you? Kingofalldems May 2015 #481

So you're saying it was the editing, and she didn't actually say those words? truebrit71 May 2015 #488

It's been taken down. Kingofalldems May 2015 #491

It was replaced by a CBS video where she says the same thing with the laugh. cui bono May 2015 #601

No, the Fox News version had Fox News editorializing complete with shock... R B Garr May 2015 #618

Okay, sorry, I didn't see the Faux one. But the CBS one shows her saying the same thing and laughing cui bono May 2015 #621

So you have no rebuttal but to attack Fox News? Do you deny the story? rhett o rick May 2015 #610

What story? Agschmid May 2015 #615

Is the tactic to attack the source and ignore the issue? nm rhett o rick May 2015 #631

How am I attacking the source? Agschmid May 2015 #632

What issue? There is no issue. R B Garr May 2015 #633

I'm not trying to distract a damn thing. Kingofalldems May 2015 #640

I can't vote for her on foreign policy alone. AtomicKitten May 2015 #8

It really is. Her display of arrogance, callousness and implied nationalistic entitlement cali May 2015 #9

Lets not forget her role in the Honduras coup either. Fuddnik May 2015 #11

Usually when broad statements are made its good to have links... Agschmid May 2015 #26

Agreed. Here. It's really about her role in the aftermath of that coup cali May 2015 #48

Here's a 'toon about it. Wilms May 2015 #85

It just added to my list 840high May 2015 #575

I really do NOT like her at all. m-lekktor May 2015 #20

Which came first I don't wonder at all. aquart May 2015 #31

Probably true, but thank GOD eh she couldn't be MORE different on social issues randys1 May 2015 #32

But not good on economic issues and really, when one appoints 'Monsanto' to a position on cui bono May 2015 #600

You show me a humble presidential candidate and I'll show you a liar. aquart May 2015 #27

The common wisdom, of course, is that Jackpine Radical May 2015 #165

"Certified Rovian crap" is all too true. WTF DU? Hekate May 2015 #372

So I take it you are subscribing to the same conspiracy theory as MaggieD? davidpdx May 2015 #693

At times like this I consider myself lucky to live in California. I don't HAVE to vote for her. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #202

me neither AtomicKitten May 2015 #466

I'm unlucky in NC. My vote really matters. WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #525

+1000 That's why I support Senator Sanders TheNutcracker May 2015 #374

So is that of her "followers" davidpdx May 2015 #692

No question, an ambitious woman is an ugly thing. aquart Jun 2015 #696

I will not vote for her if she is the Dem nominee. TM99 May 2015 #12

+1 Bonobo May 2015 #45

Honest, yes, but brave? TM99 May 2015 #605

Unless you live in a solid Red of Blue State, you're saying there's no difference... brooklynite May 2015 #81

The only difference is her late to the party TM99 May 2015 #96

Clinton voted against the Bush tax cuts in 2001... brooklynite May 2015 #100

Whoop de fucking do! TM99 May 2015 #105

She's only late in your mind MaggieD May 2015 #108

You continue to have a problem with facts. TM99 May 2015 #487

How so? MaggieD May 2015 #498

I wouldn't beg anybody to vote for anybody... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #106

+100 840high May 2015 #577

Who is she trying to appeal to? The Neo-Cons? Enthusiast May 2015 #13

She... zentrum May 2015 #17

The video on YouTube won't play lbrtbell May 2015 #14

I have thought for some time that she could still self-destruct as a candidate. Ford_Prefect May 2015 #15

The problem with Hillary Supporters prematurely lauding her worthiness as THE candidate at THIS time 2banon May 2015 #131

Yep. I also preferred Edwards' "two Americas" schtick to Obama's play-it-safe "fiscally responsible" tblue37 May 2015 #333

I liked Edwards too! TexasBushwhacker May 2015 #635

indeed. it was really too bad and tragic. 2banon May 2015 #646

He's returned to practicing law TexasBushwhacker May 2015 #648

looks like a self-destructing high drama meltdown.. 2banon May 2015 #676

I agree with your view as regards "onstage" performance challenges. The last couple of vids 2banon May 2015 #645

That is disturbing, as is her non-answer in the video posted further down the thread. Scuba May 2015 #16

Her haughtiness is offensive, her callousness is disturbing. Bonobo May 2015 #39

K&R woo me with science May 2015 #18

That laugh at the end. Wow. No wonder she pals KingCharlemagne May 2015 #19

This is a foolish meme. Agschmid May 2015 #29

Oy vey. This ain't simply a 'picture of two people together' (since the male in the KingCharlemagne May 2015 #34

I'm sorry a picture of two Secretaries of State together... Agschmid May 2015 #37

Maybe Hillary is competing to see if she can achieve a higher body count. She'll KingCharlemagne May 2015 #46

Next time if you feel that way... Agschmid May 2015 #47

My, aren't you the noble one? Kissinger is a war criminal who should be shunned by anyone KingCharlemagne May 2015 #52

In which court is he being tried? Agschmid May 2015 #53

He's being tried in the court of basic human decency. You might KingCharlemagne May 2015 #56

So no court. Got it. Agschmid May 2015 #76

Are you denying Kissinger is by any measure of justice a War Criminal? n/t 2banon May 2015 #140

I don't know enough about the situation to make that call. Agschmid May 2015 #145

most of the worlds brutal murderers have not been tried in any criminal court 2banon May 2015 #174

"His best friend"... Agschmid May 2015 #213

Way to dodge the point wrt to Kissinger was and still is BLOODTHIRSTY WAR CRIMINAL. 2banon May 2015 #310

Your interpretation of one photo is so rediculous... Agschmid May 2015 #432

Classic. 2banon May 2015 #542

. Agschmid May 2015 #583

Oh he's just a good old boy ..... nothing to see here. polly7 May 2015 #475

Many countries have wanted to have him extradited Art_from_Ark May 2015 #630

I believe there was quite a bit of background on those events in davidpdx May 2015 #694

The Trials of Henry Kissinger (Eugene Jarecki, 2002) polly7 May 2015 #639

Yup still not a court. Agschmid May 2015 #641

Lucky for him though, eh!!!? nt. polly7 May 2015 #644

Like this DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #55

Don't feed into that foolishness. Agschmid May 2015 #79

Pictures, pictures everywhere ..... polly7 May 2015 #484

God bless Mandella DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #486

Lots of us laughed at this one too polly7 May 2015 #489

That's the irony of Khadafy... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #492

No, he was killed by CIA trained and sponsored members of Al Quaeda and their recruits, polly7 May 2015 #494

Why would the United States ask for an investigation that would have implicated them? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #499

They also said he was spreading Viagra to his army in order to commit mass rapes. polly7 May 2015 #501

I thought this was a civil conversation... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #506

I'm nobody's pinata either, certainly not yours. See ya! nt. polly7 May 2015 #507

As long as the record shows I didn't cast the first stone. Have a day. See ya. nt. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #509

You asked me to believe lies. polly7 May 2015 #510

Am I supposed to be intimidated DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #516

That's good. Have a pleasant evening. nt. polly7 May 2015 #517

You as well.nt DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #519

Disgusting. hrmjustin May 2015 #74

Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2015 #244

Heads up, someone doesn't like that you posted that picture! They tried to poo poo it. Rex May 2015 #274

KingCharlemagne wins over alerter, 7-0! Divernan May 2015 #285

Photo from 2013/Henry endorses Hill for president at Atlantic Council Leadership Awards Divernan May 2015 #319

imagine if this was a republican cali May 2015 #22

Not hard too. Sounds like the usual jovial banter of McCain. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #180

You are so right. 840high May 2015 #580

There is one other, equally as disturbing Oilwellian May 2015 #23

Wow bahrbearian May 2015 #25

She literally says nothing, and laughs at his idea. Agschmid May 2015 #33

Exactly, she laughs at his idea. R B Garr May 2015 #312

Smiling laughter, followed by "We're working hard, we're working hard" Ms. Toad May 2015 #636

Actually, saying, "Yes, I agree with you" -- that would signify agreement. R B Garr May 2015 #638

That hearty laugh couldn't make anyone in another country want to kill us, could it? merrily May 2015 #35

What do interpret she is laughing at? Agschmid May 2015 #38

That was a nervous laugh. hrmjustin May 2015 #43

Holy fuck... darkangel218 May 2015 #84

Please share what you took away from the video? Agschmid May 2015 #112

Didnt i just say I was done replying to you? darkangel218 May 2015 #113

Clearly you made it through that. Agschmid May 2015 #114

*shakes head* nt darkangel218 May 2015 #115

Hopefully you are also clicking "ignore" since it appears you are unwilling to share. Agschmid May 2015 #118

Why would I explain you anything? darkangel218 May 2015 #123

Okay... Agschmid May 2015 #129

You keep making claims: darkangel218 May 2015 #136

My post stood 2-5. Agschmid May 2015 #142

Post the results. How many agreed that Bonobo's post was "SEXIST"? darkangel218 May 2015 #149

I didn't say anyone agreed with me. Agschmid May 2015 #163

Did i say anything about a personal attack? darkangel218 May 2015 #167

You'll be waiting a while. Agschmid May 2015 #221

Yah, no kidding. But if i was you I would stop accusing people of posting sexist posts when clearly darkangel218 May 2015 #224

And please dont PM me again. Say it here if you have a problem with me. darkangel218 May 2015 #230

. Agschmid May 2015 #238

I didnt respond to you, and i dont intend to. darkangel218 May 2015 #241

What do you think I've been doing this entire time? Agschmid May 2015 #243

Well I found it odd that he would like to smack HRC in the head. KMOD May 2015 #225

He never said that. Did he? darkangel218 May 2015 #226

How do you interpret this? KMOD May 2015 #233

Don't bother, it's a lost cause. Agschmid May 2015 #236

It sure seems that way. KMOD May 2015 #246

Bonobo only related what happened in 92/3 between him and his college buddy. darkangel218 May 2015 #249

Really? Agschmid May 2015 #251

Ok, i missed that part. darkangel218 May 2015 #256

Thank you. Agschmid May 2015 #264

Still not a "sexist" post. darkangel218 May 2015 #271

Okay fine. Agschmid May 2015 #284

Thats not "sexist", because the friend he said he "smacked " in college was a male. darkangel218 May 2015 #287

Can we call it disturbing? KMOD May 2015 #296

The other poster called it sexist. darkangel218 May 2015 #301

The post that should be deleted, or at least edited KMOD May 2015 #306

There was nothing sexist there! darkangel218 May 2015 #308

I called it disturbing. KMOD May 2015 #315

When i said Achshmids post should be deleted, you said darkangel218 May 2015 #320

I don't care for people who would like to smack women KMOD May 2015 #324

He didnt say he would smack her, he said he felt like it. darkangel218 May 2015 #329

I'm am not ok with men who would like to smack women, KMOD May 2015 #343

But you are OK with gleeing witn joy over the death of another human?? darkangel218 May 2015 #398

Not sure "gleeing" is a word. Agschmid May 2015 #400

You falsely accused another DUer, Bonobo, of sexism. darkangel218 May 2015 #405

I did up thread. Agschmid May 2015 #408

You "call it out", on a false premises. darkangel218 May 2015 #410

people react different to death. KMOD May 2015 #402

Why should I be forced to delete a post which in my opinion is correct? Agschmid May 2015 #397

Your opinion, allegations of sexism, was not correct. darkangel218 May 2015 #403

Sure... Okay... Agschmid May 2015 #404

Yes. I asked you to justify your allegations, and you refused. darkangel218 May 2015 #407

I've done it now three times... Agschmid May 2015 #409

3 times??? how? darkangel218 May 2015 #411

Either way you'll get through it. Agschmid May 2015 #412

You just like to make false sexim accusations against another DUer, and you seem to think its ok. darkangel218 May 2015 #416

I await Bonobo to take it up with me. Agschmid May 2015 #418

Because i have been falsely accused before, and i dont think this should br allowed. darkangel218 May 2015 #419

I'm not. Agschmid May 2015 #421

Jury was jurying "personal attack". darkangel218 May 2015 #422

Again check up thread, I laid it out. Agschmid May 2015 #423

I meant smack her in the sense of waking her up. If you really think that I Bonobo May 2015 #477

Here are your words. KMOD May 2015 #483

Whatever, man, people can decide whatever they want. Bonobo May 2015 #490

You sure did. KMOD May 2015 #495

She is a "he"... Agschmid May 2015 #395

You accused another DUer of sexism falsely. darkangel218 May 2015 #413

Seriously? Agschmid May 2015 #414

I'm not making anything up. KMOD May 2015 #254

Saw that. darkangel218 May 2015 #267

So did you ask him why he posted it? Agschmid May 2015 #436

When a man says he feels like hitting a woman, that is misogynistic. JTFrog May 2015 #451

The hypocrisy is stunning. TM99 May 2015 #493

I have no idea what brigade you are talking about, or who "ya'll" are, however, JTFrog May 2015 #496

And I will call out hypocrisy. TM99 May 2015 #511

Well, when you find it, feel free to let me know. n/t JTFrog May 2015 #552

Bonobo admits he smacked his friend, KMOD May 2015 #521

Are you not in the least embarrassed to derail a thread in this way? Bonobo May 2015 #531

I'm not embarrassed at all. KMOD May 2015 #535

Actually, it is all good. The more people that see this video, the happier I am. Bonobo May 2015 #538

Gaddafi died. KMOD May 2015 #540

Your priorities are fucked up. Bonobo May 2015 #541

It's your priorities that are fucked up. KMOD May 2015 #546

A smack to a friend's head upon seeing their joy over watching people die is not an overreaction. Bonobo May 2015 #548

So you resorted to violence. JTFrog May 2015 #553

Smacking people, even for that reason, is not ok, ever. KMOD May 2015 #555

I actually don't think you are serious Bonobo May 2015 #556

Ok now ...... it's time to ignore! polly7 May 2015 #558

You're right. It is obvious. Bonobo May 2015 #561

You smacked someone. Hillary laughed. KMOD May 2015 #591

hahahaha KMOD May 2015 #565

Not even slightly truthful or interesting. polly7 May 2015 #578

Align yourself with people who smack people because they don't KMOD May 2015 #582

Aw thanks ......... you take such good care of me. polly7 May 2015 #589

Fine, if I'm a parody of an internet zombie, then KMOD May 2015 #562

I'm a Bernie supporter and still thought the post you wrote wasn't okay. Agschmid May 2015 #590

And you showed your true self okasha May 2015 #607

This is really pathetic. TM99 May 2015 #564

What is pathetic is equating KMOD May 2015 #567

Then you have problems TM99 May 2015 #576

I have friends who served as well. KMOD May 2015 #585

Oh, please. Gadaffi's been saber-rattling and worse since the 70's, R B Garr May 2015 #586

Yes, more than pathetic. polly7 May 2015 #570

Too bad he didn't step down for peace before KMOD May 2015 #588

Here, you need to watch this. polly7 May 2015 #592

Big reach... Agschmid May 2015 #593

So actual video proof is a big reach? TM99 May 2015 #603

It's ridiculous to think you know what someone thinks and feels. Agschmid May 2015 #609

It is ridiculous to TM99 May 2015 #612

Who were you then? Agschmid May 2015 #613

I found DU through Bartcop TM99 May 2015 #616

Interesting... Agschmid May 2015 #617

You are painting with quite a broad brush. Agschmid May 2015 #587

"We're working hard, we're working hard." Ms. Toad May 2015 #637

omg that was disgusting. is the kind of thing HRC supporters dig about her? 2banon May 2015 #159

Didn't know about this one...thanks for posting..It's Chilling... KoKo May 2015 #196

HRC chuckles about getting a rapist of 12 yr. old off for time served. Divernan May 2015 #351

Update on video...additional footage Oilwellian May 2015 #539

Disgusting. 840high May 2015 #581

At least she managed to keep from rubbing her hands together Fumesucker May 2015 #627

That video is the essence of Hillary Clinton. 99Forever May 2015 #24

That laugh couldn't make anyone in another country want to kill us, could it? merrily May 2015 #30

She left out number 4. Oneironaut May 2015 #36

So we're bringing ISIS into it now? Agschmid May 2015 #42

It's too late. The cat's out of the bag. Oneironaut May 2015 #49

So you think we can't do anything... Agschmid May 2015 #50

Hey, you finally got it right! 99Forever May 2015 #72

America can't do anything positive to try to stop ISIS? Agschmid May 2015 #75

If it was up to some here, we'd be speaking German. JaneyVee May 2015 #98

Yeah, next thing ya know we'll hafta learn how to speak ISIL!!!!!! 99Forever May 2015 #120

lolwut? JaneyVee May 2015 #125

Yah that got weird... Agschmid May 2015 #126

Concentrate. 99Forever May 2015 #189

Yeeeah...I don't think I should take advice from you. JaneyVee May 2015 #193

Cognitive disonance can do that to you. 99Forever May 2015 #206

People are open to learning you seem to be not open to trying. Agschmid May 2015 #223

... 99Forever May 2015 #377

"Insanity: 99Forever May 2015 #116

I'm not asking us to do the same thing, let's shift our mindset and do something different. Agschmid May 2015 #119

"Do something" always manages to become "shock and awe." 99Forever May 2015 #124

We as a country will not do anything positive until JEB May 2015 #130

Part of the problem is that we think we can "fix" the Middle East. Oneironaut May 2015 #73

To do is to be HassleCat May 2015 #40

I voted for and supported her in 2008 but her CentralMass May 2015 #67

Same here, sort of HassleCat May 2015 #99

I was thrilled when I heard that monster was dead. Same with bin Laden. NYC Liberal May 2015 #41

Yes, apparently DU is blind to history. Agschmid May 2015 #44

When I first watched this, which, btw, is almost devoid of context, MoonRiver May 2015 #51

No context at all. It's interesting what gets posted during the primary. Agschmid May 2015 #54

Yep, I'm pretty sure Heritage Foundation made her say that and giggle like that. Bonobo May 2015 #59

Your post reeks with dog whistle sexism. Agschmid May 2015 #61

Nonsense. nt Bonobo May 2015 #62

How is his post sexist? darkangel218 May 2015 #87

No, when I see it I call it out. Agschmid May 2015 #90

There is nothing in that post that is sexism. TM99 May 2015 #103

Are these people "psychopaths"? NYC Liberal May 2015 #117

Ah, the wisdom of the crowd defense. TM99 May 2015 #513

I said nothing about "wisdom of the crowd". NYC Liberal May 2015 #520

Crowds always act out the worst of our humanity. TM99 May 2015 #528

Is it ok that he wants to smack her in the back of the head? hrmjustin May 2015 #453

There is a difference TM99 May 2015 #514

I don't care for her hitting him. hrmjustin May 2015 #518

It was an exclamation of frustration. TM99 May 2015 #563

Sorry but if he is going to say he would like to hit her he is going to be called out. hrmjustin May 2015 #566

Compared to what Hillary exclaimed TM99 May 2015 #571

I am not asking you to do anything. hrmjustin May 2015 #574

Beats pushing an entire nation into chaos, mayhem, death, and poverty by a factor of infinity. TheKentuckian May 2015 #651

Do you think it is ok to advocate to hit Hillary Clinton? hrmjustin May 2015 #652

Do you think it is OK to advocate creating chaos, death, destruction, poverty, and many refugees? TheKentuckian May 2015 #672

Can you answer my question? hrmjustin May 2015 #673

I did but you seem to have no response for the results of "We came, we saw, he died" TheKentuckian May 2015 #683

i am not ok with advocating hitting Hillary Clinton in the back of the head. hrmjustin May 2015 #684

Why are all lives worth so much less or at best equal to a slap to the back of the melon of the TheKentuckian May 2015 #685

Because i don't think it is right to advocate Hitting Hillary Clinton. hrmjustin May 2015 #687

? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #177

That post reveals a truly misogynistic nature. JTFrog May 2015 #270

+1 hrmjustin May 2015 #471

What about a post like this? Bonobo May 2015 #522

LOL! polly7 May 2015 #523

I think that people use whatever they can... Bonobo May 2015 #526

I think once you explained yourself as you did that should have been enough. polly7 May 2015 #530

People know I'm a good person in real life and that is enough. Bonobo May 2015 #533

It's fairly easy to tell here that you're a good person. polly7 May 2015 #536

The difference is you admitted that you actually smacked someone in the head, KMOD May 2015 #527

Oh, does that kind of stretching not hurt your back? Bonobo May 2015 #529

No. You admitted you smacked your friend and it shocked him. KMOD May 2015 #532

I had an instantaneous reaction to his glee and it felt like a teachable moment. Bonobo May 2015 #534

What about it? JTFrog May 2015 #547

I do indeed know your answer. nt Bonobo May 2015 #549

So why bother with your gotcha attempt? JTFrog May 2015 #551

+1 million, Bonobo darkangel218 May 2015 #80

Your interpretation is off, and it's frustrating you ignore the sexism in that post. Agschmid May 2015 #88

You really should delete your call out to Bonobo. seriously. darkangel218 May 2015 #91

No. Read it again, you'll see it. Agschmid May 2015 #93

Just leave Bonobo alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!! JTFrog May 2015 #277

Lol! nt darkangel218 May 2015 #278

So you smacked your friend in the head, KMOD May 2015 #192

non-sequiturs are...non-sequitorial. nt Bonobo May 2015 #198

So no opinion at all? KMOD May 2015 #212

So you want to hit Hillary? hrmjustin May 2015 #406

you want to smack her? what a man... fuck. nt seabeyond May 2015 #469

I think that meme is hollow as well, but the video of her light hearted comment cali May 2015 #57

Over 200 people killed in the Lockerbie bombing oberliner May 2015 #64

My only problem is if Khadafy was such a monster why did we try to co-opt and rehabilitate him./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #66

Politics is an ugly business oberliner May 2015 #78

Yeah, he's a bad guy... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #92

That is not a serious or appropriate response to my question cali May 2015 #77

See my response above oberliner May 2015 #82

Orlando Bosch, Luis Posada Carriles reddread May 2015 #463

I don't think anyone could honestly say they could predict what would have happened had Agschmid May 2015 #70

I don't. hrmjustin May 2015 #71

what? you think it's fair to condemn her for that picture? cali May 2015 #97

Not all of us. polly7 May 2015 #253

I will read through later. Agschmid May 2015 #262

Those people who like to sling around the term "War Criminal".. MicaelS May 2015 #334

I'm glad he's dead. I'm smiling gleefully with Hillary wyldwolf May 2015 #60

Like I said, some people are put together that way. Bonobo May 2015 #63

I know you're not smiling over the aftermath and the simple fact that Libyans cali May 2015 #65

I'm glad too. NYC Liberal May 2015 #68

the Hitler card and WW2. a mountain of difference considering neverforget May 2015 #133

We're not talking numbers. We're talking about the general principal of NYC Liberal May 2015 #155

WW2 in Europe was at an end. The killing was going to stop neverforget May 2015 #186

And you think this was just about one man? NYC Liberal May 2015 #188

Did I say that at all? Good grief you're sensitive. neverforget May 2015 #191

You tried to differentiate between celebrating Hitler's death and celebrating Qaddafi's NYC Liberal May 2015 #209

As if celebrating the end of WW2 and the death of Qadaffi are equivalant. neverforget May 2015 #295

Celebrating the death of Hitler and Qadaffi are quite equivalent wyldwolf May 2015 #358

How so? neverforget May 2015 #378

both were mass killers wyldwolf May 2015 #384

So was Hussein. How did that work out for us? neverforget May 2015 #427

we're rid of a mass killer wyldwolf May 2015 #428

Did you support the invasion of Iraq? neverforget May 2015 #430

Do you prefer slaw on your hot dogs? wyldwolf May 2015 #434

Who's the next dictator we should take out? neverforget May 2015 #437

How about yellow mustard? wyldwolf May 2015 #439

who's the next mass killer we take out? neverforget May 2015 #440

should we have stopped the genocide in Rwanda? wyldwolf May 2015 #442

Don't like the questions do you? Who is the next mass killer we should take out neverforget May 2015 #445

won't answer that one, will you? should we have stopped the genocide in Rwanda? wyldwolf May 2015 #449

why should i answer yours when you can't answer mine? neverforget May 2015 #452

Post #434 wyldwolf May 2015 #454

you're really tough with other people's blood. neverforget May 2015 #456

you're still avoiding the question. I answered one of yours now answer mine. wyldwolf May 2015 #458

Give me the name of the next dictator that we need to kill neverforget May 2015 #459

So you need TWO questions answered in exchange for answering ONE of mine? wyldwolf May 2015 #460

I called you out on your war mongering and you suddenly can't answer the question neverforget May 2015 #461

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #462

so your new tact is to say I approve of genocide. Disgusting. neverforget May 2015 #465

Just as your tact is to say I'm a war monger. Disgusting. wyldwolf May 2015 #468

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service eggplant May 2015 #482

Let's take a look at the possible military solutions to that problem neverforget May 2015 #614

I am not going to cry for hm. hrmjustin May 2015 #69

It has zero to do with crying for him. Bonobo May 2015 #86

Yeah and i see someone ready to be president. hrmjustin May 2015 #89

You openly admit that you smack people in the head. KMOD May 2015 #208

Fringe Left MaggieD May 2015 #110

DINO. Bonobo May 2015 #148

Coming from the woman who made a post claiming that Hillary was just as liberal as Bernie Exilednight May 2015 #446

Link to that? LOL! MaggieD May 2015 #450

It is posible to call it a classless not diplomatic comment, while still considering Gaddafi evil karynnj May 2015 #415

I'm sure you are equally thrilled about the shithole full of squabbling warlords-- eridani May 2015 #537

Are you really sure about that? NYC Liberal May 2015 #543

Absolutely. eridani May 2015 #550

Are you sure I'm thrilled about that, like you asserted? NYC Liberal May 2015 #560

If you aren't, then why are you definding it? eridani May 2015 #623

+1 uponit7771 May 2015 #628

you say you cannot now....but you will. ileus May 2015 #83

The UN authorized intervention in Libya at the behest of France and the UK primarily pampango May 2015 #94

This will be overlooked. But yeah, we had little to do with the death sufrommich May 2015 #102

I stated that at the time. Obama was acting on a treaty obligation. Basic civics. n/t freshwest May 2015 #479

That's not terribly funny, Mrs. Clinton. Ed Suspicious May 2015 #95

Okey dokey lokey. NuclearDem May 2015 #101

Have you no sense of schadenfreude? aikoaiko May 2015 #104

Was Bernie pro-Gaddafi? MaggieD May 2015 #107

The back story for this clip was that she had just been told sufrommich May 2015 #109

A new low is right MaggieD May 2015 #111

That is far more telling than something said in a formal interview G_j May 2015 #121

You know what's really telling? The number of Sanders sufrommich May 2015 #128

Long before Sanders entered the race. I found much of Clinton's cali May 2015 #132

I don't doubt your sincerity,I disagree with you but sufrommich May 2015 #263

I return your kind words. I feel the same about you. And I retract my cali May 2015 #279

I agree. sufrommich May 2015 #282

+1 Agschmid May 2015 #595

It has nothing to do with Sanders G_j May 2015 #137

Makes it far worse in my opinion. Bonobo May 2015 #138

so true G_j May 2015 #169

Yes it is MaggieD May 2015 #184

everyone is free to form their own opinion G_j May 2015 #299

Yes right in the toilet with Fox "News" and Free Republic. MoonRiver May 2015 #122

I'd say it was Hillary who reached a new low. Back story or no. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #156

no surprise from me on that one still_one May 2015 #205

Are you fucking kidding me? It's ten times WORSE for being an off the cuff reaction. Marr May 2015 #396

No one is pro-Gaddafi. cali May 2015 #127

We didn't kill him MaggieD May 2015 #134

Mourning him is not called for. Neither is giggling glee. Bonobo May 2015 #144

Glee is entirely appropriate wyldwolf May 2015 #150

Do you support the death penalty? darkangel218 May 2015 #154

I don't support it because it's a tool of racists MaggieD May 2015 #171

No, because it's premeditated... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #172

Ick. No, it really isn't. Bonobo May 2015 #157

Im not even sure if theyre serious, or just saying it only to defend their candidate darkangel218 May 2015 #160

I'm certain you're not serious and only saying this to oppose Hillary wyldwolf May 2015 #164

You havent answered my question regarding dp. darkangel218 May 2015 #170

So? wyldwolf May 2015 #176

So I'm waiting. Pro or against? darkangel218 May 2015 #178

Oh, I get it. Someone told you you're owed an answer for every question you ask.. wyldwolf May 2015 #185

I think the question is actually pretty relevant to the topic. darkangel218 May 2015 #187

I don't wyldwolf May 2015 #190

lol!! darkangel218 May 2015 #194

lol!! wyldwolf May 2015 #195

Yes, it really is. wyldwolf May 2015 #161

+1 darkangel218 May 2015 #151

Glee is absolutely called for.... MaggieD May 2015 #153

Ick. You really think that's a good temperament for a POTUS? nt Bonobo May 2015 #158

I think it's a HUMAN temperament MaggieD May 2015 #166

You post a 30 second, at best, video, produced by the Heritage Foundation, MoonRiver May 2015 #168

Getting to see someone's reactions is just a piece of the puzzle. darkangel218 May 2015 #175

That 30 second sound bite has zero transparency. MoonRiver May 2015 #181

Us haters?? darkangel218 May 2015 #183

Of course not. LWolf May 2015 #200

+ 1 million! darkangel218 May 2015 #201

"To be elate were to rejoice in the slaughter of human beings. And he who rejoices in the slaughter G_j May 2015 #307

Yes. LWolf May 2015 #497

no, I don't know G_j May 2015 #624

. LWolf May 2015 #634

She could walk on water, and you Hillary Haters would squeal that she can't swim. (nt) Paladin May 2015 #139

The reaction speaks for itself. No embellishment or hyperbole from you changes what is there. nt Bonobo May 2015 #141

Free Republic sends you their regards. MoonRiver May 2015 #143

No, I don't think they do. But I think they may agree with you about this gung-ho bullshit Bonobo May 2015 #146

99% of people would agree MaggieD May 2015 #162

They support your crazed hate against the Democratic frontrunner. MoonRiver May 2015 #173

There is no substantive difference between this, Maedhros May 2015 #655

I am hopeful that this video and the accompanying comments... Buzz Clik May 2015 #147

That would be lovely.... MaggieD May 2015 #179

who is fringe? PowerToThePeople May 2015 #229

Not in the real world MaggieD May 2015 #234

In the world around me PowerToThePeople May 2015 #237

Maybe you live in a bubble MaggieD May 2015 #248

Maybe you do. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #250

So if the polls show.... MaggieD May 2015 #259

Popularity of an idea is not an indicator of the correctness of the idea. Polls don't determine TheKentuckian May 2015 #654

never mind the dead, the survivors, the refugees, back the electable supporter of mass murder reddread May 2015 #669

"Showcasing the beliefs of the fringe" is kinda the point of this thread. Buzz Clik May 2015 #297

How is that a productive use of time/effort? Agschmid May 2015 #227

I like Hillary and Bernie equally well, and frogmarch May 2015 #152

Couldn't agree more OldHippieChick May 2015 #182

USA! USA! Goooooo Team! All she needs is the pom-poms and flag. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #197

Jun-05-04: DU 'Progressives' gleefully dance on Ronald Reagan's grave wyldwolf May 2015 #207

Nice blast from the past MaggieD May 2015 #217

I never agreed with that either. darkangel218 May 2015 #218

As a Bernie supporter this is a foolish line of attack. Agschmid May 2015 #232

Which? wyldwolf May 2015 #239

Attacking Hillary. Agschmid May 2015 #242

Gleefully laughing about assassinating a foreign leader and throwing the country into chaos Man from Pickens May 2015 #210

A "foreign leader" ??? MaggieD May 2015 #214

He was a murderous dictator, but also a "foreign leader". darkangel218 May 2015 #240

Yes I can say he was not MaggieD May 2015 #245

That was not the essence of my post. Did you bother to read the rest? darkangel218 May 2015 #252

But it IS the truth MaggieD May 2015 #255

Did you ignore the rest of my post? darkangel218 May 2015 #257

Yes. Everything after.... MaggieD May 2015 #260

Every dictator was technically still a "foreign leader"!!! darkangel218 May 2015 #265

Technically? LOL! MaggieD May 2015 #273

YES. In what terms do you want to speak, if not literal/technical?? darkangel218 May 2015 #292

There Is A Difference Between Leadership and Dictatorship wyldwolf May 2015 #275

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 May 2015 #298

A dictator is not a leader wyldwolf May 2015 #305

That "dictator" which was a foreign leader, was still a human beign. darkangel218 May 2015 #311

That dictator who was no leader deserved what he got. wyldwolf May 2015 #355

Exactly MaggieD May 2015 #325

I copied its use Man from Pickens May 2015 #304

extreme left? LOL! 2banon May 2015 #316

Yes, leave it to the extreme left.... MaggieD May 2015 #321

I will light a candle for Gaddafi. hrmjustin May 2015 #216

LOL! MaggieD May 2015 #220

I am grieved. hrmjustin May 2015 #222

Maybe we can arrange a memorial for him MaggieD May 2015 #231

Well i can think of a few rooms but i will shut up now. hrmjustin May 2015 #235

Maybe while you're at it you can make a memorial for all the men, women and polly7 May 2015 #261

It was a horror before too MaggieD May 2015 #272

Hey, that's 'exactly' how they also justified Iraq! A two'fer, good for you! nt. polly7 May 2015 #281

We did not kill him or start a war MaggieD May 2015 #302

LMAO. polly7 May 2015 #303

Don't forget the men, women, and children Gaddafi killed. hrmjustin May 2015 #280

Replied to above. polly7 May 2015 #283

Yes. i won't shed a tear for him but i would for the people of Libya. hrmjustin May 2015 #286

'For him'! polly7 May 2015 #289

huh? hrmjustin May 2015 #291

LOL. nt. polly7 May 2015 #293

Not meant to be funny, i didn't understand your meaning. hrmjustin May 2015 #294

Sorry, I can't make it any simpler. polly7 May 2015 #300

Thank you for your post. hrmjustin May 2015 #309

Gaddafi had nothing to do with the 'humanitarian intervention' that destroyed Libya, polly7 May 2015 #313

Are you suggesting he was a good man? hrmjustin May 2015 #314

Oh give it a rest. polly7 May 2015 #318

I stood up against the iraq war. i lost a cousin. hrmjustin May 2015 #322

Well I'll apologize for that, but don't you dare accuse me of polly7 May 2015 #326

I didn't accuse you of anything, hrmjustin May 2015 #328

Of course you did. polly7 May 2015 #330

Good. Thdn you can understand why they revolted against him. hrmjustin May 2015 #332

Oh yes, I understand completely. polly7 May 2015 #335

We are not talking about Sadam. hrmjustin May 2015 #337

LOL. nt. polly7 May 2015 #339

oh? hrmjustin May 2015 #341

Yeah ........ I've got stuff to do. polly7 May 2015 #345

That is sad that you consider talking about these tragedies as a game. hrmjustin May 2015 #346

No, that was you. And it was slimy. polly7 May 2015 #349

No, i know what it is like to lose in war. hrmjustin May 2015 #353

You wasted mine. polly7 May 2015 #359

I am sorry for you loss. hrmjustin May 2015 #360

How about candles for all the innocent men, women and children Maedhros May 2015 #656

I did. hrmjustin May 2015 #660

I'm sorry, but your post made it seem like Gaddafi was the only one who died Maedhros May 2015 #664

Well now you know. hrmjustin May 2015 #668

So I saw you throw up this thread in the HRC group: Maedhros May 2015 #679

You have a lovely night. hrmjustin May 2015 #680

Put me on your ignore list, and I'll add you to mine. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #681

i don't use it but you go ahead. hrmjustin May 2015 #682

How about some sympathy for the people Quaddafi killed BainsBane May 2015 #258

How about some smpathy for Qaddafi's son, killed in a U.S. airstrike authorized KingCharlemagne May 2015 #342

Of all the people killed in Libya BainsBane May 2015 #373

Qaddafi's son was 8 years old when he died, i.e, a child. Your sympathy for civilian victims of KingCharlemagne May 2015 #379

The OP concerns reaction to the death of Qaddafi. polly7 May 2015 #662

And now.... "Gaddafi's home town falls to Islamic State in anarchic Libya" Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #266

Another success!!! nt. polly7 May 2015 #268

+1 Woohoo!!! darkangel218 May 2015 #276

It makes my stomach sick to read about it, just as I felt when I found out polly7 May 2015 #288

You are not alone. darkangel218 May 2015 #290

Does that make Gaddafi a good guy? MaggieD May 2015 #323

This is not about a good or a bad guy. This is about gleeing over the death of a human beign. darkangel218 May 2015 #327

No, because it's a racist tool in this country MaggieD May 2015 #336

So pro or against the death penalty? darkangel218 May 2015 #338

Against because it's a racist tool in this country MaggieD May 2015 #344

So you are pro some people dying, but not others? darkangel218 May 2015 #348

What you think about me.... MaggieD May 2015 #350

LOL!!! darkangel218 May 2015 #354

It's also about foolishly taking out the Libyan government, creating a zone of anarchy and terror... Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #347

She will probably give an ambiguous answer darkangel218 May 2015 #352

Were people wrong to be gleeful over Hitlers death? hrmjustin May 2015 #356

Some human beings deserve that treestar May 2015 #362

Finding relief, or not being concerned about someone's death, KMOD May 2015 #363

Seriously????? darkangel218 May 2015 #368

Yes, seriously. KMOD May 2015 #371

You dont even address that posters allegations , yet you give me "lets say " scenarios"?? darkangel218 May 2015 #380

It is not the same as believing in the death penalty. KMOD May 2015 #386

Because you dont address the false sexism alegations darkangel218 May 2015 #387

I did address them. KMOD May 2015 #390

You did not. Link to where you explained why Bonobo's post was SEXIST! darkangel218 May 2015 #391

DISTURBING. That is what I called it. KMOD May 2015 #393

Somebody should ask Hillary whether she thinks the US intervention in Libya was a mistake... Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #357

Again with the juvenile, black/white, good guy/bad guy thinking. Marr May 2015 #401

This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #317

Is there anything about her actual views on foreign policy that you object to? treestar May 2015 #361

I asked for his thoughts on the people Gaddafi killed, KMOD May 2015 #365

I remain disgusted at the invasion of Iraq cali May 2015 #366

Hillary: you and the fellas are truly the "Cops Of The World." Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #367

Who knew there's a pro-Qadaffi wing of the party? Metric System May 2015 #369

It really is a big tent, I guess. KMOD May 2015 #376

It's the exact same thing as the pro-Saddam faction eridani May 2015 #544

Hell, we've had... NYC Liberal May 2015 #611

How about "pro-innocent-Libyans?" Maedhros May 2015 #657

Oh ffs Bonobo. You never supported HRC in the first place, so don't pretend this was the breaking... Hekate May 2015 #370

I didnt suppory HC, and i was shocked to see this reaction from her darkangel218 May 2015 #383

Yet, you're weren't upset over a man who wishes he could smack a woman. KMOD May 2015 #388

I was. I said it was wrong. Twice! darkangel218 May 2015 #389

Yet it apparently isn't sexism to want to hit a woman huh? Agschmid May 2015 #426

creepy CullenBohannon May 2015 #394

"Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" (yes, smiling gleefully) " bvar22 May 2015 #417

+1000000000000 nt. polly7 May 2015 #480

excellent post, indeed How in the hell does she sleep at night? 2banon May 2015 #604

+100000000 woo me with science May 2015 #650

Hell, she threatened to NUKE Iran! morningfog May 2015 #420

If Iran launched a nuclear attack on Israel OKNancy May 2015 #474

True, but the point remains. morningfog May 2015 #568

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #429

+1 darkangel218 May 2015 #473

Irrational Clinton hatred starting to pay off. 4now May 2015 #447

you know when we have tumbled head over heal, when a man declares he would like to smack a woman, seabeyond May 2015 #470

Jury Results oneshooter May 2015 #515

wow bonobo. you state you smack a man, want to smack clinton and you did the right thing smackin' seabeyond May 2015 #524

I am so naive. I have seen some dumb alerts but I have never seen an alerter purposely deceive a seaglass May 2015 #545

ya. i am use to misdirect, even lying. but to be that blatant? surprised even me. nt seabeyond May 2015 #579

Pretty clear who alerted there too. Agschmid May 2015 #596

a picture of Gaddafi during happier times quadrature May 2015 #485

All I ask is that people watch this video and decide Bonobo May 2015 #557

.... 840high May 2015 #584

This really sums up her lebgacy as SOS in 12 seconds Jesus Malverde May 2015 #559

What is best in life? Fumesucker May 2015 #626

kick woo me with science May 2015 #625

I didn't (and don't) celebrate anyone's death... NaturalHigh May 2015 #629

The atrocities that come as a direct consequence from taking out that bastard are nothing though? TheKentuckian May 2015 #658

Easy there fella. NaturalHigh May 2015 #667

Seems an awful lot like it since you keep leaping to "not mourning Gaddafi" shit trying to imply TheKentuckian May 2015 #670

Okay dude. Enjoy your morning rageahol. NaturalHigh May 2015 #671

Spoken like someone with no defense of the indefensible. Have a great day. TheKentuckian May 2015 #674

You too. NaturalHigh May 2015 #675

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fuckin hilarious, Ms Clinton. Iggo May 2015 #653

More like "We came, we saw, a whole bunch of innocent people (um...and Gaddafi) died" Maedhros May 2015 #659

Nailed it. nt. polly7 May 2015 #678

at the very least DonCoquixote May 2015 #661

Yes, that is exactly right. She is not a good candidate. nt Bonobo May 2015 #665

You have won the award for one of du's most dishones posters. NCTraveler May 2015 #686

Don't believe your lying eyes! Bonobo May 2015 #695

Not even going to look. Orsino Jun 2015 #697