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In reply to the discussion: Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" (yes, smiling gleefully) [View all]polly7
(20,582 posts)592. Here, you need to watch this.
It lays out the lies and the truth of it all quite well.
And then there's this:
PNAC's objective of overthrowing yet another country. "7 countries in 5 years!" This was NO "Humanitarian Intervention", and certainly not for all those migrants Qaddafi had allowed in over decades, Qaddafi loyalists and others who were raped, tortured, mutilated, hung, burned to death .... all known of by the NATO 'humanitarian team'.
It was a bullshit, self-serving, western funded and backed coup against yet another sovereign nation not yet indebted to the IMF and controlling its own resources, not to mention not allowing U.S. bases 'Africom' into all of Africa.
Some of these links don't work anymore, but read and discover just what a sham this was and why. The video at the end is particularly interesting.
The Untold Story in Libya
Posted by polly7 in General Discussion
Tue Oct 18th 2011, 10:06 AM
In May 2010, Libya was voted on to the UN Human Rights Council by a huge majority. The UN Watch's campaign to remove Libya from the Human Rights Council began immediately.
In March, 2011, a report, containing positive quotes from UN diplomatic delegations in many countries, was due to be presented by the UN Human Rights Council, leading to a Resolution commending Libya's progress in a wide aspect of human rights (listed in the article). March 19, 2011, the attack on Libya began.
Libya was one of only five countries without a Rothschild model central bank, Quaddafi openly discussed, in 2009, the nationalization of US, UK, Germany, Spain, Norway, Canada and Italy's oil companies, switching to the gold dinar - a single African currency that would serve as an alternative to the U.S. dollar and allow African nations to share the wealth. Libya has an abundance of water - Gaddafis Great Man-Made River Project project offers limitless amounts of water for Libyans and would allow them to be totally self-sufficient. In the near-future, water will be the next resource equated with money and power, other countries may be dependent on its reserves. A self-sufficient, dictator-ruled nation with control over some of the worlds most precious resource waves a big red warning flag.
In 2010 Gaddafi made a motion to the UN General Assembly to investigate the circumstances of the invasion of Iraq. He was also wasting the west's ....... 'libya's' oil on free education, housing, tolerance of immigrants, raising the standard of living in Africa, lowering infant mortality while raising life expectancy.
Many of these things are completely similar to what we learned of Iraq.
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Yes, simply put, Nato's member nations are trying to steer back Libya Central Bank into the mainstream financial structure, under the watching eyes of the World Bank and the International Monetary Funds, to provide (reconstruction) funds to Libya with hefty interests payments - and transform a country which was free of debts into a heavily indebted country - as done everywhere else in sub-Saharan African countries.
http://businessafrica.net/africabiz/graphs...
http://businessafrica.net/africabiz/arcvol...
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From a 'no fly zone to all out bombing of targets called out by rebels'. NATO's high-precision bombing preceeded 'rebel' incursions.
http://antemedius.com/content/libya-r2p-no...
"It's now common knowledge that British SAS, French intelligence, US Central Intelligence Agency assets, Qatar special forces and mercenaries of all stripes were parachuted as boots on the ground for months, planning and training the "rebels" and in close coordination with that philanthropic prodigy, NATO.
That was never the UN mandate - but who cares? NATO/GCC paid the bills, NATO conducted the bombing and NATO/GCC will "stabilize" the mess, according to a 70-page plan leaked by the British to Rupert Murdoch'sz Times of London."
"Expect local - and global - fireworks as far as grabbing the loot is concerned. Without even considering the (still unexplored) oil and gas wealth, Libya's foreign assets are worth at least $150 billion. Libya's central bank, now about to be privatized, has no less than 143.8 tons of gold. Then there's at least a millennium supply of fresh water, which had started to be harnessed by Gaddafi via the spectacular, multibillion dollar Great Man-Made River (GMR) project."
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"Oil-rich but with a relatively small population of 6.6. million, Gadhafi's Libya welcomed hundreds of thousands of black Africans looking for work in recent decades. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/01/l...
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NATOs War on Libya is an Attack on African DevelopmentDan Glazebrook
6 09 2011
http://globalciviliansforpeace.com/tag/afr... /
To prevent this threat of African development, the Europeans and the USA have responded in the only way they know how militarily. Four years ago, the US set up a new command and control centre for the military subjugation of the Africa, called AFRICOM. The problem for the US was that no African country wanted to host them; indeed, until very recently, Africa was unique in being the only continent in the world without a US military base. And this fact is in no small part, thanks to the efforts of the Libyan government.
Before Gaddafis revolution deposed the British-backed King Idris in 1969, Libya had hosted one of the worlds biggest US airbases, the Wheelus Air Base; but within a year of the revolution, it had been closed down and all foreign military personnel expelled.
More recently, Gaddafi had been actively working to scupper AFRICOM. African governments that were offered money by the US to host a base were typically offered double by Gaddafi to refuse it, and in 2008 this ad-hoc opposition crystallised into a formal rejection of AFRICOM by the African Union.
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The force used by the occupier to displace the old regime always makes sure the new regime is supine and complaint. The National Transitional Council, made up of former Gadhafi loyalists, Islamists and tribal leaders, many of whom detest each other, will be the Wests vehicle for the reconfiguration of Libya. Libya will return to being the colony it was before Gadhafi and the other young officers in 1969 ousted King Idris, who among other concessions had let Standard Oil write Libyas petroleum laws. Gadhafis defiance of Western commercial interests, which saw the nationalization of foreign banks and foreign companies, along with the oil industry, as well as the closure of U.S. and British air bases, will be reversed. The despotic and collapsed or collapsing regimes in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Syria once found their revolutionary legitimacy in the pan-Arabism of Egypts Gamal Abdel Nasser. But these regimes fell victim to their own corruption, decay and brutality. None were worth defending. Their disintegration, however, heralds a return of the corporate and imperial power that spawned figures like Nasser and will spawn his radical 21st century counterparts.
Libya: Here We Go Again
Monday 5 September 2011
by: Chris Hedges, Truthdig | Op-Ed
http://www.truthout.com/libya-here-we-go-a...
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LIBYA: Rebels execute black immigrants while forces kidnap others
http://somalilandpress.com/libya-rebels-ex...
"Many Africans have virtually nothing after years in Libya, many have been looted, robbed, while others saw their living quarters and apartments go in flames. Now they are praying to God to send them home.
While the international leaders are busy drafting resolutions to dismantle Muammar Gaddafi, the African Union has not yet commented on the situation in Libya.
Meanwhile, the International Criminal Court is said to have started a formal inquiry into possible crimes against humanity in Libya that will investigate the Libyan regime."
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JohnPilger.com
8 September 2011
http://johnpilger.com/articles/hail-to-the...
..."I quote that not so much for its Orwellian quality but as a model of journalism's role in justifying "our" bloodbaths in advance.
This is Rupert's Revolution, after all. Gone from the Murdoch press are pejorative "insurgents". The action in Libya, says The Times, is "a revolution... as revolutions used to be". That it is a coup by a gang of Muammar Gaddafi's ex cronies and spooks in collusion with Nato is hardly news.
The self-appointed "rebel leader", Mustafa Abdul Jalil, was Gaddafi's feared justice minister. The CIA runs or bankrolls most of the rest, including America's old friends, the Mujadeen Islamists who spawned al-Qaeda.
They told journalists what they needed to know: that Gaddafi was about to commit "genocide", of which there was no evidence, unlike the abundant evidence of "rebel" massacres of black African workers falsely accused of being mercenaries. European bankers' secret transfer of the Central Bank of Libya from Tripoli to "rebel" Benghazi by European bankers in order to control the country's oil billions was an epic heist of little .
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Sirte a 'living hell,' says aid group
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/co...
Tuesday 04 October 2011 by Our Foreign Desk Printable Email
A Red Cross team finally entered the besieged Libyan town of Sirte yesterday and delivered urgently needed surgical supplies to treat about 200 wounded people.
Nato has repeatedly targeted Sirte in its seven-month bombing campaign that enabled armed rebels to topple the government of Muammar Gadaffi and gain control of most of the oil-rich state.
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Absolutely horrible to use rape as a propaganda weapon for war, while ignoring the reality of it for all those brutalized, raped and some, murdered by the NATO supported 'rebels' - just one example of their many atrocities.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2174087
http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2011/08/26/lies-war-and-empire-natos-humanitarian-imperialism-in-libya
In early March of 2011, news headlines in Western nations reported that Gaddafi would kill half a million people.
<1> On March 18, as the UN agreed to launch air strikes on Libya, it was reported that Gaddafi had begun an assault against the rebel-held town of Benghazi. The Daily Mail reported that Gaddafi had threatened to send in his African mercenaries to crush the rebellion.<2> Reports of Libyan government tanks sitting outside Benghazi poised for an invasion were propagated in the Western media.<3> In the lead-up to the United Nations imposing a no-fly zone, reports spread rapidly through the media of Libyan government jets bombing the rebels.<4> Even in February, the New York Times the sacred temple for the stenographers of power we call journalists reported that Gaddafi was amassing thousands of mercenaries to defend Tripoli and crush the rebels.<5>
Italys Foreign Minister declared that over 1,000 people were killed in the fighting in February, citing the number as credible.<6> Even a top official with Human Rights Watch declared the rebels to be peaceful protesters who are nice, sincere people who want a better future for Libya.<7> The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights declared that thousands of people were likely killed by Gaddafi, and called for international intervention to protect civilians.<8> In April, reports spread near and far at lightning speed of Gaddafis forces using rape as a weapon of war, with the first sentence in a Daily Mail article declaring, Children as young as eight are being raped in front of their families by Gaddafis forces in Libya, with Gaddafi handing out Viagra to his troops in a planned and organized effort to promote rape.<9>
As it turned out, these claims as posterity notes turned out to be largely false and contrived. Doctors Without Borders and Amnesty International both investigated the claims of rape, and have found no first-hand evidence in Libya that rapes are systematic and being used as part of war strategy, and their investigations in Eastern Libya have not turned up significant hard evidence supporting allegations of rapes by Qaddafis forces. Yet, just as these reports came out, Hillary Clinton declared that the U.S. is deeply concerned by reports of wide-scale rape in Libya.<10> Even U.S. military and intelligence officials had to admit that, there is no evidence that Libyan military forces are being given Viagra and engaging in systematic rape against women in rebel areas; at the same time Susan Rice, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, told a closed-door meeting of officials at the UN that the Libyan military is using rape as a weapon in the war with the rebels and some had been issued the anti-impotency drug. She reportedly offered no evidence to backup the claim.<
Untrue, says US
US says Gadhafi troops issued Viagra, raping victims
Allegation suggests troops encouraged to turn to sexual violence, envoys say
By Louis Charbonneau
updated 4/28/2011 9:31:26 PM ET
UNITED NATIONS The U.S. envoy to the United Nations told the Security Council Thursday that troops loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi were increasingly engaging in sexual violence and some had been issued the impotency drug Viagra, diplomats said.
Several U.N. diplomats who attended a closed-door Security Council meeting on Libya told Reuters that U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice raised the Viagra issue in the context of increasing reports of sexual violence by Gadhafi's troops.
"Rice raised that in the meeting but no one responded," a diplomat said on condition of anonymity. The allegation was first reported by a British newspaper.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42809612/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa#.TqXeG96ImU8
US intel: No evidence of Viagra as weapon in Libya
http://www.msnbc .msn.com/id/42824884/ns/world_news-mide...
UN Ambassador Rice reportedly had said drug was being used in systematic rapes
NBC News and news services updated 4/29/2011 1:52:00 PM ET
UNITED NATIONS There is no evidence that Libyan military forces are being given Viagra and engaging in systematic rape against women in rebel areas, US military and intelligence officials told NBC News on Friday.
Diplomats said Thursday that US Ambassador Susan Rice told a closed-door meeting of officials at the UN that the Libyan military is using rape as a weapon in the war with the rebels and some had been issued the anti- impotency drug. She reportedly offered no evidence to backup the claim.
While rape has been a weapon of choice in many other African conflicts, the US officials say they've seen no such reports out of Libya.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...
bvar22:
The Untold Story in Libya:
How The West Cooked Up The People's Uprising
http://whowhatwhy.com/2011/08/31/now-that-... ... /
The Global Disaster Capitalists never let a good disaster go to waste.
In the case of Libya, they used their Enforcement Arm (NATO & The US Military) to CREATE a disaster where there was none.
For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/M...
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Libya: Oil, Banks, Water, the United Nations, and Americas Holy Crusade by Felicity Arbuthnot
Posted on April 5, 2011 by dandelionsalad
.."The country was commended: for the progress made in the achievement of the Millennium Development Goals, namely universal primary education (and) firm commitment (to) health care. There was praise for cooperation with international organizations in combating human trafficking and corruption .. and for cooperation with the International Organization for Migration.
Progress in enjoyment of economic and social rights, including in the areas of education, health care, poverty reduction and social welfare with measures taken to promote transparency, were also cited. Malaysia: Commended the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya for being party to a significant number of international and regional human rights instruments. Promotion: of the rights of persons with disabilities and praise for measures taken with regard to low income families, were cited...
.."So how does the all tie together? Libya, in March being praised by the Majority of the UN., for human rights progress across the board, to being the latest, bombarded international pariah? A nations destruction enshrined in a UN., Resolution?
The answer lies in part with the Geneva based UN Watch.(vii) UN Watch is : a non-governmental organization whose mandate is to monitor the performance of the United Nations. With Consultative Status to the UN Economic and Social Council, with ties to the UN Department of Public Information, UN Watch is affiliated with the American Jewish Committee. (AJC.)"
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2011/0... /
Interesting ..... the involvement in HR Watch of persons whose core values include securing energy resources.
And I think we're going to be shocked and disgusted as more and more information comes out.
Check this out - 'The Humanitarian War' = http://www.laguerrehumanitaire.fr/english It's horrifying.
A bunch of LIES submitted to the ICC ..... by the UN - who got their 'numbers and crimes' from the NTC Prime Minister - 'word to ear'. Pages and pages redacted.
No Evidence? No Problem!!
Exposed: The "Humanitarian" War In Libya
Must Watch Video
How the CIA Used "Libyan Expatriates" To Engineer Consent For Regime Change
One of the main sources for the claim that Qaddafi was killing his own people is the Libyan League for Human Rights (LLHR), an organization linked to the International Federation of Human Rights (FIDH). On Feb. 21, 2011, LLHR General Secretary Dr. Sliman Bouchuiguir initiated a petition in collaboration with the organization U.N. Watch and the National Endowment for Democracy. This petition was signed by more than 70 NGOs.
Then a few days later, on Feb. 25, Dr. Bouchuiguir went to the U.N. Human Rights Council in order to expose the allegations concerning the crimes of Qaddafis government. In July 2011 we went to Geneva to interview Dr. Sliman Bouchuiguir.
"How to circumvent international law and justice 101." - originally published by http://laguerrehumanitaire.fr
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29428.htm
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What you don't know about the libyan crisis:
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The Grand Finale - sodomized with a stick, beaten, tortured and murdered in the street - "We came, we saw ....... he died, lol".
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Britain, Libya and the Mediterranean - The Creation of a Humanitarian Emergency
by Dan Glazebrook / May 1st, 2015
Last weeks drownings in the Mediterranean were the foreseeable, and indeed deliberate, a result of the anti-human policies of strategic violence by a dying neo-colonial empire. They were the consequence, firstly, of a series of wars of aggression that have made life intolerable across vast swathes of Africa and West Asia, and, secondly, of the fateful EU decision last November to end Italys search-and-rescue programme, Mare Nostrum. This much has been admitted by politicians and commentators from across the entire British political establishment, from Nigel Farage and the Daily Telegraph to David Cameron and Ed Miliband. Whilst these admissions have often been tempered with caveats, denials, distortions and half-truths, the hideous reality behind them is increasingly impossible to deny.
NATOs war of aggression against Libya in 2011 turned the country over to racist death squads, with hundreds of sub-Saharan migrant workers and black Libyans beaten and burnt to death by the revolutionaries and tens of thousands illegally detained and tortured by the militias. Tawergha, the only black African town on the Mediterranean, and formerly home to around 30,000 people, is now a ghost town after NATOs shock troops militias with names like the Brigades for the purging of black skins ethnically cleansed the region. Last weeks butchering of 30 Ethiopian workers by ISIS is but the latest chapter in the anti-African pogroms that have characterised the Libyan insurgency from the very start. This is the reality of NATOs Libyan revolution (led by AbdulHakim BelHaj, now leader of ISIS in Libya) and it is precisely this from which black Africans in Libya are now fleeing. As Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi put it, a person has to risk his life because he needs to escape from a situation where they are chopping off the heads of those near him.
And this head-chopping has not been restricted to Libyas borders. NATOs war has boosted head-choppers across the entire region, from Tunisia and Algeria to Mali, Nigeria and Cameroon. Before 2011, Boko Haram barely existed. Today, thanks to NATO opening up Libyas arsenals to them and their friends, they are killing hundreds every week, often burning them alive in churches and mosques. As one Nigerian told a reporter last week, We prefer to die trying (to migrate) than stay back there and die .Stay at home and get shot dead or maybe burnt to death; I just prefer to die while trying or survive.
Yet the Libyan war itself is only the latest in a long series of acts of aggression launched by the British state and its allies, all of which continue to have disastrous consequences across the entire Middle East and North Africa region. A look at the list of where the migrants come from makes this devastatingly clear. The majority of the worlds refugees come from one of three countries: Afghanistan, Somalia and Syria. What all have in common is that they have all been subject to vicious terror campaigns by Britain, the USA and their allies: whether directly, as in Afghanistan; through allied states, as with the US-backed Ethiopian invasion of Somalia in 2006 (which toppled the first stable government the country had had in decades); or through the provision of cash, weapons and diplomatic cover to sectarian death squads, as in the case of Syria. Yemen is the latest additional source of refugees, with the Saudi bombing campaign bringing new arrivals to almost 10,000 per week.
NATOs war of aggression against Libya in 2011 turned the country over to racist death squads, with hundreds of sub-Saharan migrant workers and black Libyans beaten and burnt to death by the revolutionaries and tens of thousands illegally detained and tortured by the militias. Tawergha, the only black African town on the Mediterranean, and formerly home to around 30,000 people, is now a ghost town after NATOs shock troops militias with names like the Brigades for the purging of black skins ethnically cleansed the region. Last weeks butchering of 30 Ethiopian workers by ISIS is but the latest chapter in the anti-African pogroms that have characterised the Libyan insurgency from the very start. This is the reality of NATOs Libyan revolution (led by AbdulHakim BelHaj, now leader of ISIS in Libya) and it is precisely this from which black Africans in Libya are now fleeing. As Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi put it, a person has to risk his life because he needs to escape from a situation where they are chopping off the heads of those near him.
And this head-chopping has not been restricted to Libyas borders. NATOs war has boosted head-choppers across the entire region, from Tunisia and Algeria to Mali, Nigeria and Cameroon. Before 2011, Boko Haram barely existed. Today, thanks to NATO opening up Libyas arsenals to them and their friends, they are killing hundreds every week, often burning them alive in churches and mosques. As one Nigerian told a reporter last week, We prefer to die trying (to migrate) than stay back there and die .Stay at home and get shot dead or maybe burnt to death; I just prefer to die while trying or survive.
Yet the Libyan war itself is only the latest in a long series of acts of aggression launched by the British state and its allies, all of which continue to have disastrous consequences across the entire Middle East and North Africa region. A look at the list of where the migrants come from makes this devastatingly clear. The majority of the worlds refugees come from one of three countries: Afghanistan, Somalia and Syria. What all have in common is that they have all been subject to vicious terror campaigns by Britain, the USA and their allies: whether directly, as in Afghanistan; through allied states, as with the US-backed Ethiopian invasion of Somalia in 2006 (which toppled the first stable government the country had had in decades); or through the provision of cash, weapons and diplomatic cover to sectarian death squads, as in the case of Syria. Yemen is the latest additional source of refugees, with the Saudi bombing campaign bringing new arrivals to almost 10,000 per week.
Full article: http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/05/britain-libya-and-the-mediterranean/
Behind Every Refugee Stands an Arms Trader
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/04/behind-every-refugee-stands-an-arms-trader/
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Trapped in Libya: the flotsam of the Wests wars
By Vijay Prashad
Source: al-Araby
May 14, 2015
Next week, the EU will launch work on its plan to tackle the Mediterranean migrant crisis. The EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini has asked the UN for help to dismantle the smuggling networks.
European ambassadors have drafted a UN resolution, under chapter VII (which allows use of force), to tackle the crisis. For them the military option is the brightest light. As Mogherini said, the EU wants the authority to use all necessary means to seize and dispose of the [smugglers] vessels.
Thus far in 2015, over 60,000 people have tried to cross from Libya to Europe. Of them, close to two thousand have died a death toll 20 times higher than in 2014, it continues.
European ambassadors have drafted a UN resolution, under chapter VII (which allows use of force), to tackle the crisis. For them the military option is the brightest light. As Mogherini said, the EU wants the authority to use all necessary means to seize and dispose of the [smugglers] vessels.
Thus far in 2015, over 60,000 people have tried to cross from Libya to Europe. Of them, close to two thousand have died a death toll 20 times higher than in 2014, it continues.
Since 2011, Libya has been ripped apart, its social fabric torn asunder and its state structure largely absent. Natos bombardment precipitously destroyed the state and handed over the country to warring militias.
The threat to the refugees is a direct outcome of UN Security Council Resolution 1973, ironically under the Responsibility to Protect (R2P) banner. A new UNSC resolution is not going to be about the protection of the refugees, but to use force to destroy their lifeline. R2P has been ground under by the Wests behavior in Libya.
The threat to the refugees is a direct outcome of UN Security Council Resolution 1973, ironically under the Responsibility to Protect (R2P) banner. A new UNSC resolution is not going to be about the protection of the refugees, but to use force to destroy their lifeline. R2P has been ground under by the Wests behavior in Libya.
Full article: https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/trapped-in-libya-the-flotsam-of-the-wests-wars/
Just as much a fucking sham as Iraq, with the exact same results.
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Such a demeanor, a "teh hee" laugh and smile like that is suggestive of a certain character fault.
NYC_SKP
May 2015
#340
If you think that, vote for someone else. Try talking up your candidate instead of talking down
MADem
May 2015
#425
Will do. Here is NYC_SKP talking his candidate UP without tearing down anyone:
NYC_SKP
May 2015
#435
Have you seen what has happened to that country, to its people, who we supposedlyh
sabrina 1
May 2015
#228
No one should need to be 'won over' against the brutal Foreign Policies of this country we so
sabrina 1
May 2015
#438
For the people of that African nation, whose country had the highest living standards
sabrina 1
May 2015
#385
Does the idea of Women dead in back alleys disturb you? Becuase i can assure you if a con
randys1
May 2015
#28
False premise. Hillary isn't our only choice. It's not a choice between her or a republican
arcane1
May 2015
#381
Surrender to the death machine and the nation's entire tax receipts for nothing or
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#649
A very ugly argument, but not surprise coming from someone who supports who they do
davidpdx
May 2015
#688
"We came, we saw, he died and now the place is a fucking mess. Boy did we fuck up or what?"
cherokeeprogressive
May 2015
#199
I don't mourn his death for a fucking second. Did it make the world a better place?
cherokeeprogressive
May 2015
#204
Odd comment coming from the person who defends Obama pushing the TPP alongside
cui bono
May 2015
#599
Yes it does make you a hypocrite. And you trying to redefine 'bedfellows' or adding a qualification
cui bono
May 2015
#622
Such a demeanor, a "ha ha ha" laugh and smile like that is suggestive of a certain character fault.
NYC_SKP
May 2015
#375
I doubt it was 99% who wanted him dead -- and of the % that did, I assume the majority
karynnj
May 2015
#399
So you're saying it was the editing, and she didn't actually say those words?
truebrit71
May 2015
#488
Okay, sorry, I didn't see the Faux one. But the CBS one shows her saying the same thing and laughing
cui bono
May 2015
#621
It really is. Her display of arrogance, callousness and implied nationalistic entitlement
cali
May 2015
#9
Probably true, but thank GOD eh she couldn't be MORE different on social issues
randys1
May 2015
#32
But not good on economic issues and really, when one appoints 'Monsanto' to a position on
cui bono
May 2015
#600
At times like this I consider myself lucky to live in California. I don't HAVE to vote for her. n/t
cherokeeprogressive
May 2015
#202
Unless you live in a solid Red of Blue State, you're saying there's no difference...
brooklynite
May 2015
#81
I have thought for some time that she could still self-destruct as a candidate.
Ford_Prefect
May 2015
#15
The problem with Hillary Supporters prematurely lauding her worthiness as THE candidate at THIS time
2banon
May 2015
#131
Yep. I also preferred Edwards' "two Americas" schtick to Obama's play-it-safe "fiscally responsible"
tblue37
May 2015
#333
I agree with your view as regards "onstage" performance challenges. The last couple of vids
2banon
May 2015
#645
That is disturbing, as is her non-answer in the video posted further down the thread.
Scuba
May 2015
#16
Oy vey. This ain't simply a 'picture of two people together' (since the male in the
KingCharlemagne
May 2015
#34
Maybe Hillary is competing to see if she can achieve a higher body count. She'll
KingCharlemagne
May 2015
#46
My, aren't you the noble one? Kissinger is a war criminal who should be shunned by anyone
KingCharlemagne
May 2015
#52
Way to dodge the point wrt to Kissinger was and still is BLOODTHIRSTY WAR CRIMINAL.
2banon
May 2015
#310
No, he was killed by CIA trained and sponsored members of Al Quaeda and their recruits,
polly7
May 2015
#494
Why would the United States ask for an investigation that would have implicated them?
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#499
They also said he was spreading Viagra to his army in order to commit mass rapes.
polly7
May 2015
#501
As long as the record shows I didn't cast the first stone. Have a day. See ya. nt.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#509
Heads up, someone doesn't like that you posted that picture! They tried to poo poo it.
Rex
May 2015
#274
Photo from 2013/Henry endorses Hill for president at Atlantic Council Leadership Awards
Divernan
May 2015
#319
That hearty laugh couldn't make anyone in another country want to kill us, could it?
merrily
May 2015
#35
Hopefully you are also clicking "ignore" since it appears you are unwilling to share.
Agschmid
May 2015
#118
Yah, no kidding. But if i was you I would stop accusing people of posting sexist posts when clearly
darkangel218
May 2015
#224
Bonobo only related what happened in 92/3 between him and his college buddy.
darkangel218
May 2015
#249
Thats not "sexist", because the friend he said he "smacked " in college was a male.
darkangel218
May 2015
#287
You just like to make false sexim accusations against another DUer, and you seem to think its ok.
darkangel218
May 2015
#416
Because i have been falsely accused before, and i dont think this should br allowed.
darkangel218
May 2015
#419
I have no idea what brigade you are talking about, or who "ya'll" are, however,
JTFrog
May 2015
#496
Actually, it is all good. The more people that see this video, the happier I am.
Bonobo
May 2015
#538
A smack to a friend's head upon seeing their joy over watching people die is not an overreaction.
Bonobo
May 2015
#548
I'm not asking us to do the same thing, let's shift our mindset and do something different.
Agschmid
May 2015
#119
Yep, I'm pretty sure Heritage Foundation made her say that and giggle like that.
Bonobo
May 2015
#59
Sorry but if he is going to say he would like to hit her he is going to be called out.
hrmjustin
May 2015
#566
Beats pushing an entire nation into chaos, mayhem, death, and poverty by a factor of infinity.
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#651
Do you think it is OK to advocate creating chaos, death, destruction, poverty, and many refugees?
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#672
I did but you seem to have no response for the results of "We came, we saw, he died"
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#683
i am not ok with advocating hitting Hillary Clinton in the back of the head.
hrmjustin
May 2015
#684
Why are all lives worth so much less or at best equal to a slap to the back of the melon of the
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#685
I had an instantaneous reaction to his glee and it felt like a teachable moment.
Bonobo
May 2015
#534
Your interpretation is off, and it's frustrating you ignore the sexism in that post.
Agschmid
May 2015
#88
My only problem is if Khadafy was such a monster why did we try to co-opt and rehabilitate him./NT
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#66
I don't think anyone could honestly say they could predict what would have happened had
Agschmid
May 2015
#70
You tried to differentiate between celebrating Hitler's death and celebrating Qaddafi's
NYC Liberal
May 2015
#209
Don't like the questions do you? Who is the next mass killer we should take out
neverforget
May 2015
#445
won't answer that one, will you? should we have stopped the genocide in Rwanda?
wyldwolf
May 2015
#449
I called you out on your war mongering and you suddenly can't answer the question
neverforget
May 2015
#461
Coming from the woman who made a post claiming that Hillary was just as liberal as Bernie
Exilednight
May 2015
#446
It is posible to call it a classless not diplomatic comment, while still considering Gaddafi evil
karynnj
May 2015
#415
I'm sure you are equally thrilled about the shithole full of squabbling warlords--
eridani
May 2015
#537
The UN authorized intervention in Libya at the behest of France and the UK primarily
pampango
May 2015
#94
I stated that at the time. Obama was acting on a treaty obligation. Basic civics. n/t
freshwest
May 2015
#479
Are you fucking kidding me? It's ten times WORSE for being an off the cuff reaction.
Marr
May 2015
#396
Im not even sure if theyre serious, or just saying it only to defend their candidate
darkangel218
May 2015
#160
Oh, I get it. Someone told you you're owed an answer for every question you ask..
wyldwolf
May 2015
#185
"To be elate were to rejoice in the slaughter of human beings. And he who rejoices in the slaughter
G_j
May 2015
#307
She could walk on water, and you Hillary Haters would squeal that she can't swim. (nt)
Paladin
May 2015
#139
The reaction speaks for itself. No embellishment or hyperbole from you changes what is there. nt
Bonobo
May 2015
#141
No, I don't think they do. But I think they may agree with you about this gung-ho bullshit
Bonobo
May 2015
#146
Popularity of an idea is not an indicator of the correctness of the idea. Polls don't determine
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#654
never mind the dead, the survivors, the refugees, back the electable supporter of mass murder
reddread
May 2015
#669
Gleefully laughing about assassinating a foreign leader and throwing the country into chaos
Man from Pickens
May 2015
#210
Hey, that's 'exactly' how they also justified Iraq! A two'fer, good for you! nt.
polly7
May 2015
#281
Gaddafi had nothing to do with the 'humanitarian intervention' that destroyed Libya,
polly7
May 2015
#313
How about some smpathy for Qaddafi's son, killed in a U.S. airstrike authorized
KingCharlemagne
May 2015
#342
Qaddafi's son was 8 years old when he died, i.e, a child. Your sympathy for civilian victims of
KingCharlemagne
May 2015
#379
And now.... "Gaddafi's home town falls to Islamic State in anarchic Libya"
Cheese Sandwich
May 2015
#266
This is not about a good or a bad guy. This is about gleeing over the death of a human beign.
darkangel218
May 2015
#327
It's also about foolishly taking out the Libyan government, creating a zone of anarchy and terror...
Cheese Sandwich
May 2015
#347
You dont even address that posters allegations , yet you give me "lets say " scenarios"??
darkangel218
May 2015
#380
Somebody should ask Hillary whether she thinks the US intervention in Libya was a mistake...
Cheese Sandwich
May 2015
#357
Is there anything about her actual views on foreign policy that you object to?
treestar
May 2015
#361
Oh ffs Bonobo. You never supported HRC in the first place, so don't pretend this was the breaking...
Hekate
May 2015
#370
you know when we have tumbled head over heal, when a man declares he would like to smack a woman,
seabeyond
May 2015
#470
wow bonobo. you state you smack a man, want to smack clinton and you did the right thing smackin'
seabeyond
May 2015
#524
I am so naive. I have seen some dumb alerts but I have never seen an alerter purposely deceive a
seaglass
May 2015
#545
ya. i am use to misdirect, even lying. but to be that blatant? surprised even me. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#579
The atrocities that come as a direct consequence from taking out that bastard are nothing though?
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#658
Seems an awful lot like it since you keep leaping to "not mourning Gaddafi" shit trying to imply
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#670
Spoken like someone with no defense of the indefensible. Have a great day.
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#674
More like "We came, we saw, a whole bunch of innocent people (um...and Gaddafi) died"
Maedhros
May 2015
#659