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truedelphi

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27. Interesting discussion I heard on Rachel Maddow last night.

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:18 PM

Sep 2015

Maddow had on a Republican strategist, basically the "R" version of Rachel, and this woman was saying how the Republicans cannot win the WH without getting the independent vote. And that is exactly right - Pew Survey polls show us that is true. And Maddow did not contest that end of things.

But it does make me wonder on how voters in the USA are ever going to get the discussions that are needed placed in the hands of reasonable people who value the middle class. People in both parties, and the indies as well, are all fed up to the hilt with the sort of political trash that we have now.

From the Clintons to The Bush Family to "The Donald," many voters realize that none of these people represent the middle class. But what the hell do we do about it?

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This Is What Happens When DC Insiders Recruit WRETCHED CONSERVATIVES To Run As Democrats [View all] Segami Sep 2015 OP

UPDATE: Progressive Dem Wins In Oklahoma Segami Sep 2015 #1

Hell yes! kenfrequed Sep 2015 #15

Several new people are running in Arkansas also. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #30

I would like to hear about these new people in Arkansas Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #40

I have not heard of him in a race yet, but I posted about 2 new guys LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #41

Thanks for the link Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #42

This is proof that the internet can be useful for useful information. Mr. Evil Sep 2015 #32

Democrats/Progressives are sending a message this time that we are fed up with Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #36

Great questions! We need Duval Sep 2015 #81

Thank you for that good news. n/t Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #79

And it works because, for too many, all that matters is that "D" n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #2

As Jerry Seinfeld once put it in the context of baseball, hifiguy Sep 2015 #4

IMO, any "D" is superior to any "R." Wouldn't the point here be Primary votes? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #6

It all started in the 1990s, when the Clintons and their DLC pals hifiguy Sep 2015 #3

Nah, that's when it went into "high gear". jeff47 Sep 2015 #5

UNREC brooklynite Sep 2015 #7

Fix your last line "your" lonestarnot Sep 2015 #8

No correction necessary. staggerleem Sep 2015 #86

Then why did the poster fix it if it wasn't wrong. My grammar is just fucking fine. lonestarnot Sep 2015 #89

Don't bother. Same talking point. Segami Sep 2015 #10

Notice it is always 'find a progressive' never even a mention of a moderate Rex Sep 2015 #12

Interesting discussion I heard on Rachel Maddow last night. truedelphi Sep 2015 #27

The answer is... Mr. Evil Sep 2015 #33

A great many voters don't "come to websites like this"... brooklynite Sep 2015 #53

I'm surprised at how much political information people are getting from Facebook Fumesucker Sep 2015 #62

LOL! So true! Rex Sep 2015 #104

I think a partial explantion for that is that a person might be informed of a fact, truedelphi Sep 2015 #118

True a lot of voters are low information voter that vote based on their emotions. Rex Sep 2015 #105

Oh you are are you? ibegurpard Sep 2015 #29

I think the primary sulphurdunn Sep 2015 #68

...and that would be up to the locals... brooklynite Sep 2015 #100

I haven't, but 'we' have at the local level sulphurdunn Sep 2015 #103

Then maybe it's your job to take over the local Party with like-minded progressives brooklynite Sep 2015 #107

I would never dream of such a thing sulphurdunn Sep 2015 #108

Hmm...much easier to complain about what other people in the Party do? brooklynite Sep 2015 #109

I dont get how so many people think "one size fits all" is the best option. 7962 Sep 2015 #83

Wanna support Donna Edwards instead of Van Hollen for senator in MD??? elleng Sep 2015 #9

REC Rex Sep 2015 #11

Rodney Tom Washington State LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #13

The local state party is at fault as well. They immediately supported Tom against-- eridani Sep 2015 #56

that support was brutal and eye opening. LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #58

I like Mike McMahon. He's a good man. NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #14

Brooklynite is right. Progressives have a hard time NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #16

So you would sell your ever lovin soul for an election win? Trajan Sep 2015 #84

No, don't sell your soul. Campaign on economics, a better America and you can win anywhere. NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #94

The triumph of wishful thinking over reality MFrohike Sep 2015 #111

Staten Island is full of Republicans--they supported the cops who killed Eric Garner nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #17

Yep, and they aren’t distinguishable at all from the stereotypical red state republican. dorkzilla Sep 2015 #19

lots of McMansion uglytechture nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #21

...and don’t forget the trailer parks right next to the McMansions! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #24

heck, they pass their bills once they win: did everyone think that the decade of "your complaining MisterP Sep 2015 #18

Double K&R!! Stevepol Sep 2015 #20

How the hell would anyone on the left win Staten Island? NuclearDem Sep 2015 #22

How come Humphrey, McGovern, Carter the second time, Mondale, and Dukakis all LOST?????? RBInMaine Sep 2015 #23

Yes but “SOCIALIST” is ALL they can throw at Bernie. Hillary? She’ll be bombarded by a lot more. nt dorkzilla Sep 2015 #25

"Socialist" is basically disqualifying . ... PosterChild Sep 2015 #43

No, that isn't all. leftofcool Sep 2015 #64

You might provide some examples. frylock Sep 2015 #74

Good. Let them bombard him as a socialist. Then maybe, just maybe Mr. Evil Sep 2015 #38

You can teach folks all about socialism, or... PosterChild Sep 2015 #45

bullocks dorkzilla Sep 2015 #50

Yea, if most of those countries are 99% white. leftofcool Sep 2015 #65

what the hell does that mean-brown people can't grasp the concept or white people won't share? dorkzilla Sep 2015 #66

Try some research on "scandanavian" countries leftofcool Sep 2015 #71

I know what countries are socialized, you're not answering the question dorkzilla Sep 2015 #73

The fuck does that have to with anything? frylock Sep 2015 #75

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste Sep 2015 #92

Yes, OTHER countries. You might .... PosterChild Sep 2015 #95

so we will never ever accept it in this country? dorkzilla Sep 2015 #96

Never is a long, long time.... PosterChild Sep 2015 #97

well I guess I will just take your word for it, stop volunteering for Bernie and throw my support dorkzilla Sep 2015 #98

Don't take my word for it... PosterChild Sep 2015 #115

Nah...If I find out something horrible about Bernie I’m voting for Martin O'Malley dorkzilla Sep 2015 #116

Speaking as a MD resident, O'Malley .... PosterChild Sep 2015 #117

Humphrey almost won (it was so close that the results weren't available Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2015 #46

Uhm... "moderate" democrats should never bring up McGovern kenfrequed Sep 2015 #55

Wretched is the word Kick. Octafish Sep 2015 #26

This is not the 1980s. Or, even the 1990s. Based on Hillary's stated positions she has noticed Enthusiast Sep 2015 #28

Results of your Jury Service jfern Sep 2015 #31

At least it was 0-7 Egnever Sep 2015 #35

Another idiotic alert. hobbit709 Sep 2015 #37

Thanks jfern.... Segami Sep 2015 #47

Jurors sure got that one right... love sweeps. (n/t) SMC22307 Sep 2015 #54

Thank you for the information kacekwl Sep 2015 #34

You can expect an outright PURGE of Liberals from the party if the Clintons win. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #39

If the Clintons win.... Segami Sep 2015 #48

What is the basis for THAT assertion? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #70

Please do explain pandr32 Sep 2015 #101

Any party purge will be mostly voluntary, I would venture to guess there are many long time democrats YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #57

That's what it took to get Howard Dean in charge..... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #59

Real democrats know pandr32 Sep 2015 #102

So what are real democrats as you say? YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #110

We live in mushy times when there are no rules and convention doesn't matter. Personality, timing, craigmatic Sep 2015 #44

I don't vote for labels. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #49

Conservatives are fleeing the chaos in the Republican Party. DirkGently Sep 2015 #51

Right wing fake Democrats make me wretch. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #52

Your post inspired me to donate to Grayson. I don't really care what anyone else thinks about it. silvershadow Sep 2015 #60

Right wing fake Democrats make me wretch too. Scuba Sep 2015 #61

Look at the wretched Floriduh Democratic Party. Fuddnik Sep 2015 #63

I live in Florida, and you are spot on (with maybe an awful lot of extra space in your OP). djean111 Sep 2015 #77

The dem party is a joke. stop blaming 'the media' and look in the mirror. KG Sep 2015 #67

If the "Dem" Party is such a joke why does Bernie want to run in it? leftofcool Sep 2015 #72

Bernie wants to fix it. frylock Sep 2015 #76

He wants the money. bobclark86 Sep 2015 #90

Bernie is all about the Benjamins. frylock Sep 2015 #93

Why the sudden love affair with a party that's not good enough for him? bobclark86 Sep 2015 #99

He's happy to raise money for it... brooklynite Sep 2015 #112

How was the wine? frylock Sep 2015 #113

Been a couple of years, but I don't remember any complaining... brooklynite Sep 2015 #114

McMahon lost the Conservative Party primary last night NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #69

Democrats will keep losing until they . . FairWinds Sep 2015 #78

This is exactly why I NEVER donate to that horrible organization. lark Sep 2015 #80

The Schumer graphic zentrum Sep 2015 #82

Huge K&R! n/t Kermitt Gribble Sep 2015 #85

I am DONE with Chuck Schumer! staggerleem Sep 2015 #87

This was Howard Dean's famous "50 State Strategy" Freddie Stubbs Sep 2015 #88

And this is why I have not sent one dime...............(get all the notices ) ........... turbinetree Sep 2015 #91

K&R. Paladin Sep 2015 #106