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Hortensis

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67. "But why help the right destroy...most likely our nominee..."
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:17 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:32 PM - Edit history (1)

If there are any political science professionals observing this site, wouldn't it be fascinating to know what they're thinking? I've been wondering, and suddenly, for the first time in years, I'm remembering the seminal, enduring work of the brilliant longshoreman/political observer Eric Hoffer, The True Believer, Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements.

Could that be what is happening now? The parallel anger and rebellion on both the far right and far left? Practically everyone's angry and I've been assuming "people" were finally fed up, as I've been waiting for for years. But could this instead have the potential of a mass movement of what Hoffer called "true believers" from either (or both) the left and right? He felt they were far more like each other than like regular liberals and conservatives.

Some observations about the phenomenon.
* Elizabeth and Bernie have fired up a group of very passionate supporters, whose behavior
is not characteristic of either leader admired or of most strong liberals.
* Some behavior toward mainstream Democrats is so aggressive and hostile that
it often seems indistinguishable from that of equally fervent Tea Party/GOP base types
on mixed forums. Would some of them take a little hop across to get a new leader?
* Right-wing TP extremists prefer to lose elections to the Democrats than
compromise with other conservatives, even ones trying to effect many of the same goals.
* Is that what is happening with this subset of Bernie supporters? Would they choose
to hand the election to a GOP conservative rather than compromise with Democrats?
* If their chosen leader faded, would they fade from politics too, support another
Democrat, or find a new leader on the right?
* If this were the beginning of a mass movement, could Bernie and his other followers control and direct this particular group to achieve remarkable change? Or could it destroy our chances to take the White House, Senate, and many state offices in 2016? (Remembering that the TP destroyed its own power and potential and severely damaged the GOP, whose survival is still in question.)

“There would be no society if living together depended upon understanding each other.”

“A movement is pioneered by men of words, materialized by fanatics and consolidated by men of action.”

“Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without belief in a devil. Usually, the strength of a mass movement is proportionate to the vividness and tangibility of its devil.” (Hillary? Certainly no one on the right, yet. Would Big Money corruption finally become the primary devil once Hillary was vanquished, or would they chase someone who offended?)

"When hopes and dreams are loose in the streets, is well for the timid to lock doors, shutter windows, and lie low until the wrath has passed. For there is often a monstrous incongruity between the hopes, however noble and tender, and the action which follows them. It is as if ivied maidens and garlanded youths were to herald the four horsemen of the apocalypse."

Eric Hoffer, political philosopher




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Thanks, Skinner! [View all] geek tragedy Sep 2015 OP
Thanks Skinner rbrnmw Sep 2015 #1
? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #2
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I think it might be instructive to see some right wing sources ... Human101948 Sep 2015 #7
A useful analogy is the hearsay rule. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #12
As a Former Republican, there are many opinions that I do not talk about here FormerRepublicanNow Sep 2015 #33
I'm a supporter of his as well. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #37
^^This^^ Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #43
Human, a brief survey of a conservative political site will be useful. Hortensis Sep 2015 #32
I stumbled on one rw meme/theme yesterday, but I don't want to post it. merrily Sep 2015 #48
I don't get the "brain injury" comment tularetom Sep 2015 #4
remember Clinton's concussion and the rightwing agitprop around that? geek tragedy Sep 2015 #9
Thanks, I had forgotten that, but he locked the thread because it belonged in GD:Primary tularetom Sep 2015 #13
I'm not in a position to speak for him, but the jury vote 1-6 to keep that crap geek tragedy Sep 2015 #15
They tried reposting it.... JTFrog Sep 2015 #21
we should be grateful that it got hidden I guess, the Vince Foster post geek tragedy Sep 2015 #23
I'm hoping the people who voted to leave that didn't read the entire post. winter is coming Sep 2015 #40
That poster is a host of the Martin O'Malley group, too muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #41
Yep, it's crap awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #45
Because if there's one way to help O'Malley gain traction, it's by quoting geek tragedy Sep 2015 #54
it's pretty clear that the content was an issue also CreekDog Sep 2015 #55
Thanks Skinner! MoonRiver Sep 2015 #5
Indeed, thanks Skinner. R&K nt longship Sep 2015 #6
DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2015 #8
Should have been locked short of that Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #16
or there wasn't anyone around. But, 30 hosts and no one around on Friday morning? nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #17
The alerts didn't get posted until after it was locked. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2015 #36
You'd think that people who volunteer to do stuff, would actually do stuff. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #39
I am currently a Host, just got online after a very busy morning. I apologize for not waking 2 hours uppityperson Sep 2015 #42
I'm sorry for your loss and, FWIW, I think the hosts and MIRT are great. merrily Sep 2015 #50
my deepest sympathies, I apologize if any of this was phrased such that geek tragedy Sep 2015 #52
I took it as an attack against DUers who volunteer as Hosts, was trying to let you know that we also uppityperson Sep 2015 #70
understood. nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #71
I salute volunteers Fairgo Sep 2015 #97
It helps to remember how great these posters are in real life Babel_17 Sep 2015 #57
I'm very sorry for your loss, uppity. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #65
I'm sorry for your loss. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #84
I'm sorry for your loss, uppity. Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #93
I appreciate what you do, uppity. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Sep 2015 #99
Yes Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #46
No difficulty at all. The alerts were never posted for discussion. Autumn Sep 2015 #80
Go figure... Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #81
Hosts are volunteers. There is no set time for hosts to check the hosts forum for alerts. Autumn Sep 2015 #83
I'm familiar with how it works. Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #87
Welcome, just wanted to clear the record that lack of consensus is not why it remained open. Autumn Sep 2015 #88
No, I get it. Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #90
+1...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #86
Yes. Thanks, Skinner. Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #10
Correction - SOME right-wing garbage Scootaloo Sep 2015 #11
It was a Hit & Run copy and paste piece. lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #14
And yet the one who posted it is still here. Lancero Sep 2015 #18
the Vince Foster/Clinton Body Count types are still here too. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #19
One of our lovely posters castigated another DU member for her "slanty eyes" the other day Codeine Sep 2015 #20
Link? That garbage is inexcusable LittleBlue Sep 2015 #24
Sorry, thought I linked that. Codeine Sep 2015 #58
Wow wtf LittleBlue Sep 2015 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author pintobean Sep 2015 #66
What the FUCK? Are you fucking kidding me? tkmorris Sep 2015 #72
I linked to it over in Ask the Administrators Codeine Sep 2015 #74
jesus christ! m-lekktor Sep 2015 #73
Wow! zappaman Sep 2015 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Sep 2015 #100
?!!?!?! nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #25
Check it out. Codeine Sep 2015 #59
yuck.nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #62
What??? Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #49
Linkified. Codeine Sep 2015 #60
Holy. Fuck. Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #63
The admins should really look hard at letting people return to DU after getting banned Rex Sep 2015 #75
8 years ago? pintobean Sep 2015 #82
Yes. Rex Sep 2015 #85
The one who posted it, reposted it. JTFrog Sep 2015 #22
It was only hidden by a 4-3, which means almost half of DU are rightwingers? randys1 Sep 2015 #27
Maybe some HRC hate going on there. Rex Sep 2015 #76
Someone asked "what will HIllary do when Bernie is nominated" randys1 Sep 2015 #78
Agree I am still a solid Bernie backer and am so sick and tired Rex Sep 2015 #79
Now thankfully locked. longship Sep 2015 #30
I think Skinner made it clear about the content: JTFrog Sep 2015 #31
Yup! longship Sep 2015 #34
That falls under the category of: Luck (see pushing) Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2015 #38
THe person who did that garbage did it in another thread that I responded to randys1 Sep 2015 #26
the only thing this place is missing is cracks about 'cankles' though I imagine geek tragedy Sep 2015 #28
When this all started I was a rabid Bernie fan, still am but I am now VERY VERY randys1 Sep 2015 #29
Primaries here are always about a race to the bottom. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #35
Ditto! gaspee Sep 2015 #56
K&R Sissyk Sep 2015 #44
One more thing, if I may! Sissyk Sep 2015 #47
Thank goodness - got y first hide ever in that thread gaspee Sep 2015 #51
sometimes a hide is worth saying what you really think. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #53
Totally worth it. Codeine Sep 2015 #61
"But why help the right destroy...most likely our nominee..." Hortensis Sep 2015 #67
+1 octoberlib Sep 2015 #69
Some hides are worth it, like a badge of honor. Rex Sep 2015 #77
I just went and read that post. It deserved locking. octoberlib Sep 2015 #68
Unfortunately, there is another OP that posts a story and link to a FAR RIGHT WING .... etherealtruth Sep 2015 #89
Holy hell. What is wrong with people? greatauntoftriplets Sep 2015 #91
I am losing my mind about this etherealtruth Sep 2015 #92
It's just unbelievable. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2015 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Sep 2015 #101
I'm sure he appreciates your thanks. I am also sure that he detests how this thread has gone META. demmiblue Sep 2015 #96
Thank you for your feedback nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #102
Thanks Skinner.... revmclaren Sep 2015 #103
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