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Kelvin Mace

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63. However, it is the argument offered against restricting

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:15 PM

Jul 2016

the type of weapons people can buy, the type of ammunition, the capacity of magazines and the types of people who should be prohibited from buying them.

So again, my question is valid. Why didn't the "good guys with guns" stop the "bad guys with guns"? Why did the police have to resort to a bomb in order to stop a single bad guy with a gun? They police chief said that it would have been too dangerous to use anything short of a bomb, so what next? The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a bomb, so let's legalize bombs?

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So, where were all the good guys with guns? [View all] Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 OP

There are at least tens of thousands TeddyR Jul 2016 #1

The Good Guys With Guns scenario works every time... Jerry442 Jul 2016 #4

A little research TeddyR Jul 2016 #9

There are 320 million people in this country. Jerry442 Jul 2016 #11

Perhaps TeddyR Jul 2016 #13

I guess I missed the press release from the NRA... Jerry442 Jul 2016 #15

The CDC did a study a couple of years ago Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #42

Helps to know the full story, rather than only that part which validates your bias. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #56

Guns save thousands MattP Jul 2016 #26

Do you have any concrete evidence to support your assertion of saving thousands of lives. We do madinmaryland Jul 2016 #29

See this discussion TeddyR Jul 2016 #34

The problem with that study is it doesn't prove a gun was required to stop the MillennialDem Jul 2016 #46

Oh, I agree TeddyR Jul 2016 #51

Of course 2/3 of those are suicides Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #43

So they don't matter, right? Way to treat people with mental illness like depression and MillennialDem Jul 2016 #47

Nope, I agree with much better mental health services Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #49

Good, I'm glad you do. I just don't like when people brush suicides under MillennialDem Jul 2016 #50

A friend of mine hung himself last month Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #53

I'm sorry about your friend. But again, the thing is guns are the easiest way to MillennialDem Jul 2016 #55

Suicides should not be conflated Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #57

No, I really don't view that way (honest). If others do, I obviously can't speak for MillennialDem Jul 2016 #60

Sorry, no maxsolomon Jul 2016 #100

So, how do the Japanese "outgun" us with their suicide rate? Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #103

Very sorry to hear of the death of your friend PJMcK Jul 2016 #101

And there are many more stories of guns Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #16

Old saying: "Plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'" Jerry442 Jul 2016 #17

Anecdotes and data. Straw Man Jul 2016 #30

This argument gets trotted out everytime there is a mass shooting Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #8

Once again people are surprised... Jerry442 Jul 2016 #14

I don't know the exact details, but if the cops had a clear shot at this guy, they frankieallen Jul 2016 #87

Interesting. Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #88

Yes, he is a coward because he shot innocent people from a distance. Apparently you disagree? frankieallen Jul 2016 #90

Let's see, Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #91

No, it isn't good enough, frankieallen Jul 2016 #94

Ah, sexist language Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #95

morally questionable? I see you are backing off your original comparison. frankieallen Jul 2016 #96

Your post needs correction: The bearing of arms is for self-defense, not for an LEO auxillary... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #104

The the NRA and its ilk Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #107

Who needs the NRA? My reasons are sufficient. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #113

And they don't always win, even treestar Jul 2016 #61

I know of one 3 days ago maxsolomon Jul 2016 #69

If they are like me, sitting at home with their family, guns are unloaded and stored In_The_Wind Jul 2016 #2

Well, that would describe most people Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #10

You missed the more likely reason "good guys" didn't fire back... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #105

while I take your question as rhetorical GreatGazoo Jul 2016 #3

But they keep telling us these things can be avoided Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #6

That's what I'm saying --more guns equals more death GreatGazoo Jul 2016 #19

isn't that what the police are supposed to be? rurallib Jul 2016 #5

The NRA and 2nd Amendment Absolutists Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #7

This conceal carry permit holder would have fled the fuck out of there... Marengo Jul 2016 #12

Likewise. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #22

Exactly right Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #45

Stupid thread IMHO. greytdemocrat Jul 2016 #18

Yes, and we see it "trotted out" so often. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #106

The more relevant question would be Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #20

This.nt clarice Jul 2016 #36

You don't try to counter snipers with a concealed handgun. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #21

Do you seriously believe their were no Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #27

In the area? Sure. In someone's possession at a location to actually get a shot? Doubtful. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #31

What, a person of color with an AR? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #48

Plenty of rifles AND handguns. For self-defense, not a private police force, ye of little faith... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #108

Money quote is at 2:03... backscatter712 Jul 2016 #23

Lawbreakers? You meant murderers of course.nt clarice Jul 2016 #24

Ok, where were all the good guys with guns Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #25

Probably home with their families, getting ready for work the next day.nt clarice Jul 2016 #35

So, no good guys with guns were to found in the middle of Dallas? Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #39

And if there had been... you would be first one yelling... clarice Jul 2016 #40

You see something that is not there Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #41

ok.nt clarice Jul 2016 #59

Heh-heh. On the nose. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #109

it was nearly 9pm. who is out on the streets at that time but dangerous thugs? nt uncle ray Jul 2016 #71

Good point Uncle Ray. nt clarice Jul 2016 #86

I'm guessing, that to avoid ending up like that guy in Minnesota, they left them at home. krispos42 Jul 2016 #28

Yep, you're right. Only the police should be trusted to carry guns. nt jonno99 Jul 2016 #32

With appropriate accountability Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #38

"Yes, we've had it so many times before." ( Apologies to Ed McMahon) Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #110

Seems like a great way to end up dead inwiththenew Jul 2016 #33

Oh, I agree, Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #37

Right after you explain why the laws didn't prevent it. N/T beevul Jul 2016 #54

The "laws" such as they are, Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #62

Do they also allow murder? beevul Jul 2016 #70

This is a subject in which the ignorant are often proud of their ignorance friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #73

Habitually. N/T beevul Jul 2016 #74

Does the law allow murder? Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #76

Yes. 'Military grade' is funny. beevul Jul 2016 #79

Equivalent, to a round normally fired by a bolt-action rifle. Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #82

So what? beevul Jul 2016 #83

I stand by my views Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #84

Of course you do. beevul Jul 2016 #85

I thought we whined when "good guys with guns" show up at protests? ileus Jul 2016 #44

How do I tell the difference between a "good guy with a gun" and Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #66

Do you want every person sarisataka Jul 2016 #52

Kind of my point about the stupidity of the argument. Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #64

What types of people would you prohibit? Marengo Jul 2016 #77

The mentally ill, Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #78

I think your confusion lies in thinking so many lawful gun owners are "Rambo wanna-be heroes". jmg257 Jul 2016 #58

However, it is the argument offered against restricting Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #63

Running to WalMart... arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #65

That was #1 on my list of reasons Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #67

Bingo! nt arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #68

You are a good guy with a gun, until that nanosecond you decide to become a bad guy with a gun. Rex Jul 2016 #72

Ah, the Magic Force Field theory again. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #111

crapping their pants Skittles Jul 2016 #75

Who are cowards? oneshooter Jul 2016 #89

Penis-talk gives way to self-defacation. Dialog improves, but it doesn't clear the atmosphere! Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #112

It was an ambush. joshcryer Jul 2016 #80

Again, despite these events being planned Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #81

Being detained on suspicion. arely staircase Jul 2016 #92

Again, that would kind of render the argument Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #93

They don't hang out at BLM events. BKH70041 Jul 2016 #97

It's Texas Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #98

Nah! BKH70041 Jul 2016 #99

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone in Texas is armed to the teeth. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #102