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cwydro

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159. Um. The only one "on your dick," imo,

Reply to LaydeeBug (Reply #152)

Thu May 4, 2017, 02:17 PM

May 2017

is you.

You've stepped on it pretty badly.

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Dear Allies: Use WHATEVER WORKS. [View all] LaydeeBug May 2017 OP

The old ends justifies the means argument. aikoaiko May 2017 #1

You can't claim the moral high ground while we're on a sinking ship... LaydeeBug May 2017 #2

The only people I care about potentially offending ARE my allies. moriah May 2017 #6

The point is, since we're *allies* and all, not to be offended... LaydeeBug May 2017 #8

I just can't tell someone else not to be offended, ya know? moriah May 2017 #15

I get it, but the same coin says, they shouldn't tell us either. nt LaydeeBug May 2017 #48

Actually, as allies, I thought our job was to listen and act accordingly. moriah May 2017 #52

You make a lot of assumptions and presumptions on that pitard. LaydeeBug May 2017 #98

Thank you for getting it. n/t Ms. Toad May 2017 #165

You are saying that dehumanizing gay people -- weaponizing them -- is okay if it works. pnwmom May 2017 #81

*nope* LaydeeBug May 2017 #83

That's exactly what you said. It's okay if it works as an insult to DT/Putin, pnwmom May 2017 #86

No. it isn't. LaydeeBug May 2017 #88

The capitalist ship is going down and you think changing the captain KingCharlemagne May 2017 #44

Some time they do MFM008 May 2017 #130

pretty much. some people will dump morality at the slightest excuse; it tells you a lot about a per TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #191

There's plenty of strong, profane and vulgar language that doesn't demean ourselves. RedWedge May 2017 #3

...'that doesn't deman ourselves'? Is this the royal 'we'? LaydeeBug May 2017 #5

No. RedWedge May 2017 #7

Awesome. It's probably best to realize that you aren't the arbiter of 'demeaning', then LaydeeBug May 2017 #9

Has anyone told you that they are? RedWedge May 2017 #11

Yes. The one who told me to use 'vulgar languange not demaning to ourselves'. nt LaydeeBug May 2017 #13

Am I the only one? RedWedge May 2017 #14

Yes. LaydeeBug May 2017 #18

Except for the others on this thread? RedWedge May 2017 #50

No, you are not the only one. This is infuriating, the more it goes on. nt pnwmom May 2017 #56

I can't figure out why the OP is so bent on being able to use certain terms, even when RedWedge May 2017 #57

I do not know why she is willing to sacrifice a group of allies. It's appalling. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #65

Agreed. RedWedge May 2017 #67

Sad, but I don't find it surprising. cwydro May 2017 #74

Yeah.. whathehell May 2017 #121

But they are being USED in an effort to demean (presumably) straight people. pnwmom May 2017 #28

*nope*...stop making presumptions when they're making ATTACKS. LaydeeBug May 2017 #33

"I implore my gays." This sounds like DT talking about "my blacks." pnwmom May 2017 #106

"My gays"??? cwydro May 2017 #158

Apparently... greytdemocrat May 2017 #211

Yikes. cwydro May 2017 #212

How is not using certain insults hamstringing anyone? Caliman73 May 2017 #160

Gaslighting seems to be this poster's go-to phrase. cwydro May 2017 #167

Yes I've seen it used a few times now. Caliman73 May 2017 #173

I once had a young relative, pnwmom May 2017 #177

True Caliman73 May 2017 #184

Yeah.. whathehell May 2017 #123

Likewise you aren't the arbiter of how other people feel mythology May 2017 #21

The only irony is that I never tried to arbitrate how *anyone* feels LaydeeBug May 2017 #22

Actually, it seems to me that's exactly what you're doing. kcr May 2017 #49

It can SEEM any way you want, but the TRUTH is something else. No weapons removed from LaydeeBug May 2017 #51

If there were no other weapons available, ok. kcr May 2017 #54

There is no link in your first link. LaydeeBug May 2017 #111

It isn't morally justified to weaponize other people against their will pnwmom May 2017 #66

You don't get to claim the moral high ground while you're standing in quick sand LaydeeBug May 2017 #78

You are insisting on your right to USE a specific group of vulnerable allies in the fight. pnwmom May 2017 #89

This has been explained to you SEVERAL times. see post #33. nt LaydeeBug May 2017 #92

And I've explained to you several times that homophobic hate speech isn't okay pnwmom May 2017 #99

and I've explained to you it isn't homophobic. Period. LaydeeBug May 2017 #101

It's exactly the same thing RWers do in the service of their cause. pnwmom May 2017 #112

So I'm waiting for you to call them N*****s. Ms. Toad May 2017 #172

so I'm waiting for you to get off of my dick. LaydeeBug May 2017 #206

If you hadn't been waving it around showing it off . . . Ms. Toad May 2017 #207

Of course, this subthread PROVES my fucking point LaydeeBug May 2017 #208

I am not claiming to be an ally. I am a lesbian. Ms. Toad May 2017 #210

Are you the arbiter of what is or isn't offensive to the gay community? pnwmom May 2017 #26

Are *YOU*? LaydeeBug May 2017 #34

No, I am. AngryAmish May 2017 #41

More so than you are. It doesn't matter if a random gay person here or there agrees with you. pnwmom May 2017 #59

They are being used in order to demean Putin and Trump -- in their minds. pnwmom May 2017 #29

see post #33 and never try to hamstring me again. LaydeeBug May 2017 #35

Or what? You'll insult gay people some more? nt pnwmom May 2017 #55

LOL RedWedge May 2017 #68

What's sad is that it IS an insult. But there's our society. moriah May 2017 #53

Um, no...It means "women" I'm one and, yeah, sorry, I agree with her. whathehell May 2017 #120

Come on, sista, tell me how you really feel! angstlessk May 2017 #4

I cocksucking, motherfucking agree!! Sculpin Beauregard May 2017 #10

A-motherFUCKING-men to that. We can't *have* those small squabbles. We need to fight THEM LaydeeBug May 2017 #12

Indeed. The soul of democracy is at stake. Sculpin Beauregard May 2017 #16

We will lose our own souls if we sacrifice other vulnerable people to this fight. pnwmom May 2017 #71

Thank you. LaydeeBug May 2017 #118

What does that even mean? Caliman73 May 2017 #162

I don't think it was homophobic ProudLib72 May 2017 #17

perzactly. LaydeeBug May 2017 #19

Using gay sexual acts to insult Putin and DT contributes to our cultures's homophobia, pnwmom May 2017 #30

"that tRump is in an inferior position" fishwax May 2017 #138

Nah ProudLib72 May 2017 #140

Yeah, I know ... that's just another part of the problem fishwax May 2017 #143

That's exactly the problem- it's sexist and homophobic. I don't want to see "bitch" thrown around bettyellen May 2017 #169

Well, that is fucked up too. demmiblue May 2017 #174

Never said it wasn't fucked up reasoning ProudLib72 May 2017 #190

I get it, I'm not an idiot Saviolo May 2017 #20

Thank you for your well reasoned post mythology May 2017 #23

Thank you. cwydro May 2017 #45

Apparently, homophobia is OK...sometimes. Behind the Aegis May 2017 #24

*nope*. It is NOT homophobia to say Trump's mouth is Putin's cock holster. LaydeeBug May 2017 #36

I'm wondering if you can walk us through your reasoning, instead of just saying "nope, that's RedWedge May 2017 #58

What she doesn't understand is her INTENT is irrelevant.. She is USING gay slurs, pnwmom May 2017 #72

*nope* LaydeeBug May 2017 #75

No, I'm insisting that you not USE gay people. Unless you have a very limited imagination pnwmom May 2017 #77

Nice try. No dice. I insist that you not censor me at ALL. LaydeeBug May 2017 #80

Are you insisting on your right to use racial hate speech against him, too? pnwmom May 2017 #137

Not female slurs? whathehell May 2017 #136

I don't think men are entitled to use female slurs. Women are free to, if that's what they want. pnwmom May 2017 #150

I disagrees with your first declaration..I guess they are "free" whathehell May 2017 #156

I'm not trying to downplay the gay bashing ProudLib72 May 2017 #27

You are being hypocritical. If right-wingers were using the exact same language to attack pnwmom May 2017 #32

*nope*. Not being hypocritical at all...being real. LaydeeBug May 2017 #40

Then don't call yourself an ally. And stop referring to "my gays." pnwmom May 2017 #193

Then DON'T THINK YOU ARE THE ARBITER OF THIS. Get off of my dick LaydeeBug May 2017 #194

When you stop being offensive, people will "get off your dick." pnwmom May 2017 #200

I've been thinking about that situation ProudLib72 May 2017 #202

Thanks for reconsidering this, ProudLib72. pnwmom May 2017 #203

Holy fucking WOW full of Oh HELL NO.... LaydeeBug May 2017 #42

You are like every "ally" I had in high school Saviolo May 2017 #43

This is USING gay people, not standing up for them. Compare DT and Putin pnwmom May 2017 #63

Thank you for your very strong post. I wish I could write about this as well, pnwmom May 2017 #61

I'm trying to be nuanced Saviolo May 2017 #62

In my opinion it isn't possible to overdo it. Would it be okay to use racial slurs to insult them? pnwmom May 2017 #64

+1000 Sissyk May 2017 #127

No, I strongly disagree. Anytime you use a gay-related term as a SLUR, or an attack word, pnwmom May 2017 #25

*nope*. see post #33. LaydeeBug May 2017 #37

I'd love to know how many of the people dismissing the significance of this are gay themselves. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #31

I'd love to see the gay community fight *THEM* instead of complaining about *us* LaydeeBug May 2017 #38

You are dehumanizing gay people -- turning them into weapons -- with every use of gay slurs. pnwmom May 2017 #73

*Nope* Your broken record technique does not make it so. LaydeeBug May 2017 #79

You have provided dozens of examples of that technique. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #180

... here's some links about what being an ally IS. moriah May 2017 #122

Excellent post. nt RedWedge May 2017 #125

Perfect post. nt cwydro May 2017 #149

I'm gay, and I hate being gay used as an insult. cwydro May 2017 #46

I'm the daughter of a gay man, and i loathe it being used to insult. pnwmom May 2017 #60

ditto; this shouldn't require an explanation. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #192

Hopefully we can shame Trump into doing something about it. Jno_Gilmor_ May 2017 #39

K&R Gothmog May 2017 #47

I have to say I'm really disappointed, Gothmog. pnwmom May 2017 #70

Why not go full asshole and use racial slurs as well? RedWedge May 2017 #69

Exactly. She can't understand why using hate talk isn't okay. And that she's not much of an ally. nt pnwmom May 2017 #76

And you must not be that much of an ally if you want to hamstring speech. nt LaydeeBug May 2017 #84

What do you lose if people ask you not to use a word that's often heard as a slur? RedWedge May 2017 #87

I am asking you not to become the enemy in your defense of us. But that's what you're doing. pnwmom May 2017 #90

post #33. Stop thinking you can *assign* my words to me. You can't. LaydeeBug May 2017 #95

"Stop thinking you can *assign* my words to me." RedWedge May 2017 #103

I'm not. Pick any words that aren't hate speech against a group of vulnerable allies. pnwmom May 2017 #114

Just from reading that one's posts, cwydro May 2017 #110

Truly. This is why I need people to stay off of my dick. LaydeeBug May 2017 #116

Why not try to use false equivalence and fight THEM, and ot *us*? LaydeeBug May 2017 #82

Seriously though, why not. I mean, WHATEVER WORKS. RedWedge May 2017 #85

YAWN LaydeeBug May 2017 #91

LMAO. "Get woke," she says. RedWedge May 2017 #94

post #33. LaydeeBug May 2017 #96

Bingo. nt cwydro May 2017 #124

It is not FALSE equivalence. Redwedge has made the perfect analogy. nt pnwmom May 2017 #93

It *is*. Post #33 LaydeeBug May 2017 #97

#33 is as wrong as the first time you directed me to it. nt pnwmom May 2017 #102

*nope*. LaydeeBug May 2017 #104

Oh wait, I've got it! To stay 'woke,' why not call the RUSSIANS racial slurs? RedWedge May 2017 #100

There you go again...wedge issues and all.... LaydeeBug May 2017 #105

You know Redwedge is right, no matter how often you say *nope.* pnwmom May 2017 #107

LOL. Ok. Oral sex is not homophobic. AT ALL. Please get off of my dick. LaydeeBug May 2017 #108

Making slurs to do with oral sex between two men IS homophobic pnwmom May 2017 #115

No, I'm laser-focused on the Russians here. If you can make them and their Republican supporters RedWedge May 2017 #109

Again with thinking it's yours to *assign*. Please, please, get off of my dick. nt LaydeeBug May 2017 #113

What do you mean by "assign"? Your own words are "Use WHATEVER WORKS." RedWedge May 2017 #117

Why won't you get off of my dick? LaydeeBug May 2017 #129

Why won't you use whatever arsenal you can to insult people? What's holding you back? RedWedge May 2017 #131

Why are you *STILL* all up on my dick? nt LaydeeBug May 2017 #152

Why won't you stand up for yourself and refuse to be hamstrung on ALL words, not just ones that RedWedge May 2017 #154

Because you are wrong. n/t demmiblue May 2017 #155

Um. The only one "on your dick," imo, cwydro May 2017 #159

and yet, here you are. LaydeeBug May 2017 #204

Preach it Laydeebug! KPN May 2017 #119

Thank *YOU* KPN. Your last sentence is *truth*, and these haters are gonna hate anyway. LaydeeBug May 2017 #126

No, thank you KPN May 2017 #128

. RedWedge May 2017 #139

Meh. I don't need that language in my arsenal. I'm not interesting in subjecting fishwax May 2017 #132

Thank you, fishwax. That's exactly what they're doing -- making gay people collateral damage. nt pnwmom May 2017 #133

Well stated. demmiblue May 2017 #135

This is one of the ugliest threads I have read in awhile. demmiblue May 2017 #134

It's pretty bad. and 25 recs so far. m-lekktor May 2017 #141

It's very disappointing. cwydro May 2017 #148

I'm getting disturbed by some of the DU rhetoric right now. nolabear May 2017 #142

It is really disturbing. demmiblue May 2017 #144

I'm pretty discouraged Saviolo May 2017 #147

I didn't realize your OP was first. That makes the other one even worse. pnwmom May 2017 #181

Yeah, Saviolo May 2017 #182

Yours was very respectful, clear, and well thought out. pnwmom May 2017 #185

I just read your post and rec'ed it. You are 100% spot on Inkfreak May 2017 #186

Add me to the list of those rejecting the argument/advice in this OP petronius May 2017 #145

Yeah, if this sort of language is "what works" then that's PART OF THE PROBLEM, not a means to the hughee99 May 2017 #146

Very well said. RedWedge May 2017 #151

Ditto. nt cwydro May 2017 #157

And while some people die on that hill to use gross language at Trump and Putin Saviolo May 2017 #153

One thing this thread has made abundantly clear cwydro May 2017 #161

I'm sad and exhausted, now. Saviolo May 2017 #163

As a lesbian, you are NO ally of mine Ms. Toad May 2017 #164

Yes indeed. cwydro May 2017 #166

On the bright side, it's encouraging to see a good share of DUers stand up and speak out hughee99 May 2017 #168

Absolutely right. cwydro May 2017 #171

I spent a lot of time here this morning and I'm glad if it helped support you pnwmom May 2017 #176

I kind of a have a sneaking suspicion about this op. cwydro May 2017 #179

+1,000000000000 pnwmom May 2017 #175

I love your righteous rants madokie May 2017 #170

"Trash thread. nt" countryjake May 2017 #178

Damn right. nt cwydro May 2017 #183

No. beam me up scottie May 2017 #187

Ok. LaydeeBug May 2017 #188

'Censorship'? beam me up scottie May 2017 #189

Yep. CENSORSHIP. LaydeeBug May 2017 #195

You are NOT an ally Ms. Toad May 2017 #197

And if I may, I'll link this again. moriah May 2017 #198

Perfect! Thank you! n/t Ms. Toad May 2017 #199

You are a very popular subject at Discussionist beaglelover May 2017 #196

So, when racism was exploited by Democrats in order to win it was for the common good? loyalsister May 2017 #201

*nope*. Conflate with someone else. I'm woke. LaydeeBug May 2017 #205

Bigotry is bigotry loyalsister May 2017 #209

No. It is NOT a reasonable analogy...it is divide and conquer. nt LaydeeBug May 2017 #213