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FBaggins

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61. That's nonsense
Fri Nov 17, 2017, 06:15 PM
Nov 2017

Last edited Fri Nov 17, 2017, 09:13 PM - Edit history (3)

It was a USO tour and he wrote the script. There is no plausible USO stage event that involves shoving your tongue down a woman's throat. There's no way to read his alleged behavior there as anything but assault. No honest person on this thread actually believes that he felt he needed to rehearse the kissing scene (or that he wrote it into the script in the first place for any reason other than to facilitate his ridiculously juvenile attempt to woo her).

Nor should any progressive EVER downplay clear sexual harassment merely a "tasteless moment". Take "groping" out of it and it's still "while I was sleeping he had someone take a picture of him pretending to grope me while he flashed the "hey! Look what I can get away with!" smile at the camera... then he sent me the photo to rub it in"

There's no way to spin that as "tasteless". It's sexual harassment and entirely unacceptable.

She obviously felt violated... HE says "It's obvious how Leeann would feel violated by that picture"... the obvious question is why you can't see that as more than "tasteless"?

And he exposed Sessions lying under oath malaise Nov 2017 #1
There was no harassment. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #4
if the woman feels it is harrassment,her feelings are valid but questionseverything Nov 2017 #29
Her accusation goes beyond a "tasteless moment". FBaggins Nov 2017 #53
No, it doesnt Nevernose Nov 2017 #59
That's nonsense FBaggins Nov 2017 #61
Why do you assume Franken did that? He did not admit to that at all. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #69
getting humped on stage seems tasteless too but evry1 laughed questionseverything Nov 2017 #63
Do we have to go over The difference between consensual and nonconsensual? FBaggins Nov 2017 #64
i said if the woman feels harassed ,her feelings are valid questionseverything Nov 2017 #68
Yep. This is as much revenge as it is distraction. GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #18
this feels like a set up and a distraction. bdamomma Nov 2017 #25
And it seems I'm not the only one wondering about the timing of this allegation. maddiemom Nov 2017 #38
Timing also coincides with them losing big re Menendez malaise Nov 2017 #43
Not by a long-shot. GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #65
It certainly seems "convenient" misanthrope Nov 2017 #50
Not sure if the kiss is false but this whole thing is becoming Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #2
Some Republicans have figured out Clinton isnt running again. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #3
More than that. Franken is going after them for Russia. And he's making headway. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #5
I didnt elaborate much. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #7
Nailed it! maddiemom Nov 2017 #41
K&R Cattledog Nov 2017 #6
There was no false accusation oberliner Nov 2017 #8
Only reason she believes she was groped is because of a photo that doesn't show groping. greyl Nov 2017 #9
Franken has not said that accusations of him groping her are false oberliner Nov 2017 #12
He definitely hasn't admitted to groping. He's being patient and careful, not defensive. greyl Nov 2017 #16
Exactly. Absence of a denial is not proof of the charges. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #20
He apologized for it, which pretty much is an admission . . . markpkessinger Nov 2017 #55
Did he apologize for the groping ?! Thx in advance uponit7771 Nov 2017 #62
The proof is in the picture. .99center Nov 2017 #17
Not quite, unfortunately. greyl Nov 2017 #23
It proves that Al didn't grope her in the picture .99center Nov 2017 #32
True. nt greyl Nov 2017 #33
How the fuck do you grope someone through a flak jacket? Ligyron Nov 2017 #35
Right - that, too. nt greyl Nov 2017 #36
I think we're arguing against you drawing the conclusion there were no false accusations... Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #19
Exactly! nt greyl Nov 2017 #24
Also her account of him forcing a kiss on her in a "rehearsal" then slipping her the tongue Bucky Nov 2017 #52
He did say he remembers the rehearsal differently. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #10
That is different from saying her accusation is false oberliner Nov 2017 #11
He may not have taken the explicit step of saying the accusation is false, but... Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #15
Just wow. Too much. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #51
He was diplomatic enough not to call her a liar YessirAtsaFact Nov 2017 #39
Is this accusation true? .99center Nov 2017 #13
He HAS said he doesn't remember leftynyc Nov 2017 #22
He did say... quickesst Nov 2017 #27
He has explicitly said he doesn't think they are true. They don't match his recollection. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #46
Exactly. dalton99a Nov 2017 #14
I have to think this incident was a one-off, and that Franken welcomes The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #21
Excellent points and summation, Thanks! maddiemom Nov 2017 #47
He was a comedian for a number of years bdamomma Nov 2017 #26
They built a whole bullshit story around that picture. The_Casual_Observer Nov 2017 #28
if this snow balls into Senator Franken having to leave the Senate bdamomma Nov 2017 #30
Senator Al Franken is smarter than all of us C_U_L8R Nov 2017 #31
I agree this is why they'd want to get rid of Franken, but I don't think... TrollBuster9090 Nov 2017 #34
Franken leaving the Senate would likely result in Keith Ellison replacing him. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #56
+1 demigoddess Nov 2017 #37
hypocritically as usual too treestar Nov 2017 #40
This. GallopingGhost Nov 2017 #42
Consider it early vetting for a presidential run Xipe Totec Nov 2017 #44
+1 And dont forget the stalking Nevernose Nov 2017 #60
Who does it serve to kick out a strong Dem senator? Who does it serve for Dems to fall for this... Hekate Nov 2017 #45
Every time Democrats fall for this usually with an apology. gordianot Nov 2017 #48
Not a grope superpatriotman Nov 2017 #49
Franken is a cum laude graduate in political science from Harvard. maddiemom Nov 2017 #54
kicked and recced. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #57
This is it. ananda Nov 2017 #58
We're the ones being punished because of his behavior loyalsister Nov 2017 #66
I have thought this was a set up from the beginning. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #67
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