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21. I have plenty of education on this topic, thank you

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 10:03 AM

Apr 2015

I also have sons and daughters, and would actively encourage my son to sue any university that allowed this shit to go on even after the university found no evidence of a crime. The young woman went to the police a year and a half later and didn't exactly participate in having this guy prosecuted. Do you really think women like Emma and Jackie are helping rape victims? Emma has obviously made a name for herself and even won awards, but I don't think she's really helping the serious issue of rape.

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Columbia University sued by male student in ‘Carry that Weight’ rape case [View all] Trajano Apr 2015 OP

Nungesser deserves prison time, not a bailout. The school should have kicked him out. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #1

Why? Has his alleged victim been to the police? TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #2

WHAT???? You "think her alleged rapist has a case against the university" ... ???? MADem Apr 2015 #18

I have plenty of education on this topic, thank you TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #21

In my considered opinion, you could use much more. MADem Apr 2015 #36

Do you not consider the possibility that Nungesser is being defamed? alp227 Apr 2015 #165

No, I don't consider that a possibility here at all. MADem Apr 2015 #168

Well, the fact is that some on campus would know whom ES was referring to, alp227 Apr 2015 #171

So she should just "shut up" and "go away" because someone might think MADem Apr 2015 #184

Go to page 14 of the lawsuit alp227 Apr 2015 #197

Apparently, his lawyers specialize in this kind of thing. MADem Apr 2015 #210

Its kinda ironic that you said jamzrockz Apr 2015 #219

Yeah, and he can claim he was "stalked and harassed" by a girl with a mattress, MADem Apr 2015 #239

Did you not notice there were three accusers? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #231

That doesn't mean Emma is credible. Nt alp227 Apr 2015 #234

I think where there is smoke.....there is usually fire. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #236

Yeah he was following the school orders not to talk about it. TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #199

"You know what the solution to speech is? MORE speech." - If that were completely true, PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #249

You've got to name people to fall under that rubric. She didn't name anyone in her project. MADem Apr 2015 #250

A couple things that might determine if he's got a case. doxyluv13 Apr 2015 #162

It's obvious that this art project has to do with HER feelings. MADem Apr 2015 #166

The University has legal requirement to prevent harassment and discrimination based on gender. That Monk06 Apr 2015 #266

She filed a police report May 14, 2014, she says the incident occured Aug. 27, 2012. PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #107

Emma did report to the police. Plus the university also said nothing about her Mattress Protest. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #122

About the other accusations TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #138

And the other woman is accusing him of attempting to kiss her, not rape. LisaL Apr 2015 #223

Actually, her story is the most believable of the three, imo. TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #225

Whetever it's belivable or not, there appears to be no other proof other than what she says either. LisaL Apr 2015 #226

Well, sh apparently didn't feel violated until she was told she was violated TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #228

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How is this guy still walking around? d_legendary1 Apr 2015 #4

"How is this guy still walking around?" Easy, he hasnt been charged nor convicted in a court. cstanleytech Apr 2015 #8

His accuser is more interested in being a cause celebre TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #9

And you know this how? Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #118

Actually, I'm so glad you asked, since Emma has lied about this TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #134

Guilty until proven innocent is the new norm I guess. zeemike Apr 2015 #11

Guilty until proven innocent has always been the norm. Beauregard Apr 2015 #12

Cops are not the judgement of innocence and guilt zeemike Apr 2015 #13

But they presume guilt. And so do the courts. candelista Apr 2015 #15

The courts don't presume guilt. They lock people up because they can't make bail d_legendary1 Apr 2015 #16

Haha! But why is there bail if you are innocent? candelista Apr 2015 #17

Let's see: I learned that bail was required TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #23

But why are you put in jail in the first place if you are presumed innocent? candelista Apr 2015 #27

Tell that to the cops if you get assaulted and robbed... snooper2 Apr 2015 #109

I don't think you get the point. candelista Apr 2015 #110

You're clearly mis-representing the point. (or just trolling) blueridge3210 Apr 2015 #121

If you bothered to read the link d_legendary1 Apr 2015 #106

You really don't get it, do you? candelista Apr 2015 #113

I'll put it in terms that you can understand d_legendary1 Apr 2015 #192

Well that is true and I know it. zeemike Apr 2015 #22

Good point about the two tiers. candelista Apr 2015 #24

Schools should not be allowed to have "fake court" for "campus offenses." MADem Apr 2015 #37

This particular woman didn't contact police until quite some time later. LisaL Apr 2015 #47

That's not uncommon. Anyone who knows anything about MADem Apr 2015 #49

What's the evidence there was a crime? LisaL Apr 2015 #51

You don't consider testimony as evidence? I guess we need to let Aaron Hernandez go, then! MADem Apr 2015 #53

Whose testimony? LisaL Apr 2015 #56

Her testimony, the testimony of the woman he groped, and the testimony of the ex-girlfriend. MADem Apr 2015 #58

He wasn't charged in connection to any of these accusations. LisaL Apr 2015 #69

Well, A new group of women have come forward to share their experiences with Bill Cosby. MADem Apr 2015 #93

You asked about testimony and the answer is no, its not evidence. cstanleytech Apr 2015 #73

Well -- the whole testimony schtick was in response to the "evidence" gripe--and there was neither, MADem Apr 2015 #77

"This woman has a right to her art project" Seeking Serenity Apr 2015 #87

And what would be the basis for refusing this project? Come on--explain it. MADem Apr 2015 #92

Contributing to a hostile environment against an innocent man. Seeking Serenity Apr 2015 #96

Bzzz. Fail. No man--innocent or otherwise--was named. MADem Apr 2015 #98

I choose don't Seeking Serenity Apr 2015 #102

A Few Million Risks Sparhawk60 Apr 2015 #272

I'll bet the university has excellent insurance, and they're not cowed by attempts to censor their MADem Apr 2015 #273

Since the art project involved an ultimatum TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #104

But they didn't "shoot down that art project" did they? MADem Apr 2015 #111

No, they didn't, but in the not too distant future TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #116

Well, they're running out of time if they're going to do that. MADem Apr 2015 #123

For Starters, RobinA Apr 2015 #269

And since you are not her thesis advisor, your basis and a couple of bucks are worth a cuppa coffee. MADem Apr 2015 #270

The McMartin case is a perfect example of the problems inherent on cstanleytech Apr 2015 #183

It has nothing to do with this situation, though. MADem Apr 2015 #186

It's relevant to the question about testimony and if its evidence. nt cstanleytech Apr 2015 #188

There was no actual "testimony" nor was there actual "evidence" in this situation, though. nt MADem Apr 2015 #190

I never said there was, I was responding to the question over testimony that cstanleytech Apr 2015 #193

Pretty sure Snow Leopard Apr 2015 #275

Pretty sure MADem Apr 2015 #276

I agree but real courts and real police... doxyluv13 Apr 2015 #173

If you read the police report, had she been educated to go straight to the ER, MADem Apr 2015 #189

Police report filed when, in 2012? doxyluv13 Apr 2015 #196

She didn't go to the police straight away, and that was a fatal error on her part. MADem Apr 2015 #214

She didn't go to the University right away either. LisaL Apr 2015 #216

When she made the decision to report, that's what she did. MADem Apr 2015 #253

She needed to be "educated" phil89 Apr 2015 #217

Yes. If you've seen universities' guidance on these matters, you will discover that they have MADem Apr 2015 #244

She didn't inform the University until months later. LisaL Apr 2015 #247

If she'd been told what to do at Freshman Orientation, perhaps things would have gone differently. MADem Apr 2015 #251

PTSD seems to be a convinient sort of way to explain any sort of behavior. LisaL Apr 2015 #258

It is clear you are out of your depth on this topic. MADem Apr 2015 #259

Title IX requires the "fake court" because it can use a lower standard of evidence Recursion Apr 2015 #278

I don't like it because the university holding the fake court is NOT a disinterested party. MADem Apr 2015 #280

she took it to the police; they declined to pursue it. magical thyme Apr 2015 #38

Note that this continuing situation has its own Wikipedia page... PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #5

Well, it's a brilliant, but burdensome, way of making her point. candelista Apr 2015 #28

From a lawyer's perspective MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #63

There is no "case" and there hasn't been for some time. All there is, is an art project. MADem Apr 2015 #95

Assumed guilty until proven guilty by a performance art piece is not how the legal system works. Kurska Apr 2015 #6

I hope he wins millions TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #14

Exactly, Universities are not courts of law Kurska Apr 2015 #19

Then you'll have to change Title IX. Universities do this because they are legally required to Recursion Apr 2015 #279

He won't win a dime. He has a history of violence. MADem Apr 2015 #20

Those other two accusations came with collusion with the first person. Kurska Apr 2015 #25

"Collusion?" Please. And you know this, HOW? MADem Apr 2015 #32

You have no way of knowing whether he will get a dime or not. LisaL Apr 2015 #39

I'd bet a dime he won't, how's that? nt MADem Apr 2015 #50

Um cause it say exactly that in an article about this. Kurska Apr 2015 #41

Yeah--that word came out of HIS mouth. And? MADem Apr 2015 #52

What kind of PM did you think I was gonna send lol Kurska Apr 2015 #55

What I think is important is the First Amendment. MADem Apr 2015 #57

It does have a duty to protect students from on their campus. Kurska Apr 2015 #60

Protect students from .... WHAT? MADem Apr 2015 #64

He's from Germany. How many people do you think he knew? TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #100

What does "He's from Germany" have to do with anything? MADem Apr 2015 #108

Well, I think you believe her simply because she is a woman TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #141

Wow, I hope a woman is never in the position that she trusts you enough to tell you about her rape. KitSileya Apr 2015 #142

Maybe because I live with a child with PTSD TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #149

I'm still with the wow, really. KitSileya Apr 2015 #153

You know you are twisting my words TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #158

Agree with you LeftOfWest Apr 2015 #274

Oh, please. MADem Apr 2015 #150

Believe me, I've already sent daughters to live on TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #155

Rape has nothing to do with being "mature and confident young women." MADem Apr 2015 #170

Actually, I trusted my daughters to lower their risk of getting raped TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #174

You can teach them all those things and it still won't prevent rape. MADem Apr 2015 #179

And most women on college campuses are raped by...whom? TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #182

You need to read the material I have offered you in the many links MADem Apr 2015 #194

According to the DoJ, 6 out of every 1000 female college students are raped or sexually assaulted KitSileya Apr 2015 #178

All I can do is continue to provide educational links, I guess! nt MADem Apr 2015 #181

But we're not talking about global warming TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #208

Yeah, whatever. Here's some more light reading for you. MADem Apr 2015 #215

They need to investigate a little more into the TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #224

I'll bet that the uni will call all three women and the man he assaulted if this goes to trial. MADem Apr 2015 #237

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I said. TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #187

For a sum less than it would cost Columbia in legal fees to defend itself? n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #248

Its the New McCarthyism TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #35

Please. False rape reports are extremely rare. MADem Apr 2015 #40

Jackie has been telling her story for quite sometime, and LisaL Apr 2015 #43

How does carrying a mattress for two years prove anything about this guy's guilt? Kurska Apr 2015 #44

Jackie's supposed rape was supposed to have taken place in 2012. LisaL Apr 2015 #46

It hit the newspapers one week, and a few weeks later it crashed and burned. MADem Apr 2015 #74

She's not using his name. She's talking about HER circumstances. MADem Apr 2015 #71

Seriously "butthurt"? Do you even understand what the word means? Kurska Apr 2015 #75

It doesn't mean what you're trying to insinuate it means. MADem Apr 2015 #82

My understand is different as to the meaning Kurska Apr 2015 #128

No, I think the PG version IS what the word means. I don't have a mind that goes to rape imagery MADem Apr 2015 #144

No I'm sorry there is plenty of support for my meaning Kurska Apr 2015 #147

Well, seven DUers disagreed with you, so you'll just have to get over it. MADem Apr 2015 #160

DU decides what is acceptable on DU, it has always been this way Kurska Apr 2015 #172

I realize you didn't write it--you quoted it, though ...."authoritatively." MADem Apr 2015 #213

0-7 Action_Patrol Apr 2015 #83

WOW--lookie there--someone was trying to CENSOR ME for defending a woman who was talking about her MADem Apr 2015 #86

Actually, I'm in the crowd that does believe TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #45

OK. You said it, and now we know. You're the one talking about numbers, not me. MADem Apr 2015 #54

Nice victim blaming Seeking Serenity Apr 2015 #59

Uh, the victim is the one carrying around the mattress. She didn't rape anyone. MADem Apr 2015 #61

Being accused doesn't make him guilty. LisaL Apr 2015 #62

Well, guess what. "He" is not accused. The victim doesn't use "his" name. MADem Apr 2015 #68

How did she not use his name? LisaL Apr 2015 #70

She's not using his name in her art project. nt MADem Apr 2015 #84

victim? or alleged victim? Trajano Apr 2015 #80

The person I was talking with (not you, btw) didn't use the "alleged" handle, MADem Apr 2015 #88

If you were accused of a crime you didn't do, you would stay silent? n/t OnlinePoker Apr 2015 #112

I notice he's not countersuing her--he's engaging in a bit of a media game, but were he serious, MADem Apr 2015 #125

Part of the adjudication process at Columbia is agreeing not to talk TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #209

She didn't name names, so what's his beef? nt MADem Apr 2015 #252

You mean she didn' write in red marker TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #261

You might think you're clever with that snark, but all you're doing is letting everyone know MADem Apr 2015 #262

LOL Yeah, definitely the new McCarthyism TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #81

So--let me get this clear. You're comparing "picking new friends" to "sexual assault?" MADem Apr 2015 #90

You seem to be weirdly unconcerned about women who are raped. Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #120

Wrong, but you might say that I am weirdly interested in "this" particular case TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #136

You've got a very twisted sense of injustice. Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #119

+1. I am appalled at the dismissive attitude towards this topic. MADem Apr 2015 #133

Nothing was ever proven. LisaL Apr 2015 #26

He wasn't named by the university. What's his gripe, precisely? That the school refused to censor MADem Apr 2015 #29

"the raping pig?" never convicted or even charged of anything, yet you say this. Kurska Apr 2015 #30

OK Judge Judy--the "accused raping pig." Happy now? nt MADem Apr 2015 #33

Hilarious how you're saying there is no harassment of this man, yet you're calling him a raping pig. Kurska Apr 2015 #42

This is a discussion board, and I'm discussing. MADem Apr 2015 #99

Saying no one is harassing him and using highly insulting language is ironic. Kurska Apr 2015 #131

What "highly insulting language?" Be specific--if you're going to make accusations, don't allude, MADem Apr 2015 #137

Rapist pig and Butthurt, do you really think these aren't highly insulting words? Kurska Apr 2015 #145

Are you the gentleman in question? If not, you need to understand something. MADem Apr 2015 #176

You should say "accused and cleared" rapist pig Trajano Apr 2015 #78

He wasn't "cleared" of anything--the only "trial" has been in the court of public opinion. MADem Apr 2015 #79

He was cleared Trajano Apr 2015 #85

Not cleared in a court of law. MADem Apr 2015 #97

He wasn't even charged with anything. LisaL Apr 2015 #101

That's right. He wasn't charged with anything. MADem Apr 2015 #127

Nobody said he was cleared in court Trajano Apr 2015 #206

Since the school doesn't discuss misconduct boards, we only have his word and that of his friend who MADem Apr 2015 #254

His gripe is expressed in his lawsuit. LisaL Apr 2015 #31

By his reputation we shall know him.... nt MADem Apr 2015 #34

that's a cute phrase, but its not law Trajano Apr 2015 #76

That would be literature. Try it sometime. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #94

"Law" was never involved in this matter. MADem Apr 2015 #129

This attorney seconds your common sense approach. hifiguy Apr 2015 #148

Thank you. :) TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #167

Video interview with Emma Sulkowicz... PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #7

She didn't name him, a panel cleared him, but society shamed him... DetlefK Apr 2015 #10

I think he is innocent, but so is the college Trajano Apr 2015 #72

This lawsuit has no merit Novara Apr 2015 #48

Columbia University is a private (not government run) institution and has greater leeway PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #66

Both public and private universities can often shut down free speech on most of the campus. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #91

Wow. Calling him a "rapist"? alp227 Apr 2015 #177

Slander and libel are not protected speech under the first amendment. But he's not suing her for Monk06 Apr 2015 #265

He is legally innocent bluestateguy Apr 2015 #65

is there a transcript of the lawsuit? Trajano Apr 2015 #67

You can find a copy of the complaint he filed here... PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #89

thanks nt Trajano Apr 2015 #114

Her "thesis" was a failure. I would have given it a C. Maybe a B minus for creativity and effort. McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #103

Based on the publicity it has garnered I don't think it can be deemed a failure. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #105

Kindly answer this question for me, please TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #115

Daily Beast story about carry that weight case doxyluv13 Apr 2015 #117

Just shocking, the amount of rapist defenders. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #124

There is no rapist in this story, according to the university and law enforcement Seeking Serenity Apr 2015 #126

And that's exactly how rapist continue to get away with their crime. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #130

Except there was no crime committed in this case. Seeking Serenity Apr 2015 #132

You do not know that is Truth. And that is Truth. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #135

Except that the greater weight of evidence suggests there was no crime or a rapist Seeking Serenity Apr 2015 #139

Just as you and all the others are stating there is no evidence, so there is no "weight of evidence" Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #146

Serenity will be achieved by embracing Truth Seeking Serenity Apr 2015 #151

Here's a little help with the Truth Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #154

No argument with thsoe stats Gore1FL Apr 2015 #163

It's funny how one can be aware of statistics, and still not believe a particular accuser. TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #169

No. Not defending a rapist. Defending the legal system. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2015 #202

Oh, I wish I could recommend your post! TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #180

You have not walked in the world as a person who has been raped. To belittle victims of rape is Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #233

Due process is a very important part of our legal system n/t Gore1FL Apr 2015 #161

Gee, Gore never got due process, did he? Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #164

What would be the "due process" for her? LisaL Apr 2015 #175

A Rape Myth... Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #191

She says he tried to strange her TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #195

Reread the Rape Myth...rape victims do go back to their rapists, whether they know them or not. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #198

How do these women go back to their rapists if they don't know them? LisaL Apr 2015 #200

Rape is an even more bizarre idea. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #203

And it should be punished in all case for which there is ample evidence to convict. Gore1FL Apr 2015 #204

That would be rosy, if victims weren't treated like sluts when they report their sexual assaults. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #207

OK, What is your solution besides automatic conviction of the accused? Gore1FL Apr 2015 #212

First of all a separate division of reporting a rape must be created, even apart from the PD, maybe Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #221

I agree with the vast majority of that. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2015 #243

Note that the New York County District Attorney has a specific unit devoted to sex-crimes... PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #260

"Forget it, s/he's on a roll." n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #256

Due to lack of evidence there wasn't a case. Gore1FL Apr 2015 #201

We do. In the case of rape so few are prosecuted that the legal system works like a "get out of Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #205

Sending presumed innocent people to jail isn;t the solution, however. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2015 #211

Forcing rape victims to live in an emotional prison for the eternity of their lives is not a Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #218

But then again jamzrockz Apr 2015 #220

The cops ridiculed and degraded her when she tried to report. See post 122, watch the video. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #222

I saw post 122 Trajano Apr 2015 #229

And you ridicule. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #230

One woman accused him of rape. TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #227

You should present this iron-clad evidence to the police. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2015 #241

Thanks, Your Honor nt Trajano Apr 2015 #246

Her objection was to the way the university handled her case Novara Apr 2015 #152

What exactly should or could they have investigated? LisaL Apr 2015 #185

To them, an allegation is a verdict Trajano Apr 2015 #156

Don't read an Assange or Polanski thread on this site. You'd puke. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #232

I'm going to avoid all these rape threads from now on. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #235

How do you know Assange is a rapist? nt Trajano Apr 2015 #238

The same way I know OJ is a murderer. Innocent people don't flee and victim blame. msanthrope Apr 2015 #240

by "the same way" do you mean Assange's DNA being found in blood? Trajano Apr 2015 #245

Wow, so many defending someone who sues the university for money but not the victim for slander.... KitSileya Apr 2015 #140

The court document is very telling. TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #143

Yeah, did you see what she asked Paul to do to her on page 5? Trajano Apr 2015 #157

Yeah, you can read it in her very own words. TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #159

This thread will exceed 400. AngryAmish Apr 2015 #242

This is possibly the most successful performance art project in history alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #255

I would sue them too. PeteSelman Apr 2015 #257

"Columbia University student at center of alleged rape calls lawsuit 'ridiculous'" PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #263

Proof doesn't matter to a lynch mob. obliviously Apr 2015 #264

Some activists are still mad that they weren't able to railroad the Duke lacrosse players bluestateguy Apr 2015 #267

kick nt borondongo Apr 2015 #268

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