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mntleo2

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84. Ask my Somalian friend Margaret how "lucky" are the American Poor?
Sun May 10, 2015, 04:51 AM
May 2015

First a little back story about Margaret:
...She is my Shero in so many ways. One time, while we were protesting about funding the poor together I asked her which was worse ~ being poor in America or being poor in Somalia? I expected the obvious answer, but before I tell you what she said here is a little bit of her story:

Margaret's entire family was killed, her children, her husband and her home was destroyed. So she fled to a refugee camp where she was raped and used for slave labor.

When the Catholic church rescued Margaret and brought her to America, they gave her 2 years to find her way before they withheld any more support. Before she came to America, Margaret left her Muslim faith and became a devout Catholic and she attends mass wherever she can find time. Margaret worked her butt off in a McJob here in Seattle, but did not make enough to pay for a home. So she found herself homeless and on the street for two years, using the nightly shelter system before she could be put in transitional housing. But not before she caught the deadly TB that is going around among the homeless.

I met Margaret while I was working in transitional housing as a computer tech in Americore. I could not help but notice how kindly and helpful she was with other Somalian refugees ~ many of them in shock, not only from the horrors they had experienced in their country, but also with the culture shock they experienced her in America after they were "saved" ~ IF you want to call it that.

While Margaret was from a nuclear family as one wife, many of these Somalians are 2nd or 3rd wives whose husbands abandoned them and their children during the up-rises that left their families in peril. When they were brought here, many of them were left to fend for themselves in a country where they did not speak English and their children were left bereft. They are good people and fiercely proud to become Americans ~ as is Margaret. But they also suffer because they do not know our ways and their children, who are just wonderful kids, are often left to be the breadwinners, especially the eldest males.

Back to Margaret and our protest together. While we were marching at our state capitol, we walked together in solidarity with police on horseback walking besides us and about 2000 others. She noted how friendly they were and that, if this had been in her country, they would have most likely tried to kill us for speaking out. It was then I asked her what she felt about poverty in America and why she was marching in our protest for better funding. Here is what she said (paraphrased because I am telling you from memory):

She said to my surprise. "It is far worse to be poor in America than in Somalia." She continued after I asked her why she felt this way. "In Somalia if you have no home, you go into the forest where indigenous people have lived for eons and they teach you how to live. In America all the indigenous people are not allowed in their forests anymore and they have forgotten how to live in them thanks to U.S. policies which took away their right to their land. If you try to live in the forests in America you would be arrested, nobody is allowed to live there in God's lands that should belong to everyone by God's hands. In Somalia if you have nothing to eat, you glean from the fields and find things to eat in the forests and then even in the city you can build a fire and cook your food, you can make a shelter from whatever materials you can find. There is nothing in America you can find on your own, you have to pay for everything, even if you have to go to the bathroom..."

Margaret continued on while amidst our waving our signs and calling for change, "I am marching because I see the suffering not only of my own people who have come here, but for all Americans who suffer in poverty. This is because in America taking food from a field would be "stealing" and if you tried to build a shelter or make a fire in the city, you would be arrested. Most godly people no matter their faith knows that the world belongs to God, not to certain people who say they "own" all of God's resources when they know they should share them. While they say they love God and Jesus so much, then they already know in their own hearts that they should not keep everything for themselves when they cannot even use all they have while others starve..."

Now I know about people like Darell Issa and how foolish he can be, not only from my own experiences with poverty, but from others who have come to America. He has no idea about being poor in America, all he knows is his mansions and making money off the backs of the poor for his own gain, to hell with anyone else. All he knows is that he can pay for the necessities in life, while the poor here have to pay for every single little thing they need ~ except perhaps the air we breathe, which is becoming more polluted every day by Issa's friends and for which the poor will pay for in the 17% taxes they pay more than any other class. They cannot go into the forest and make their way as those in Somalia could. They cannot live in the city, which is a desert and a wasteland for those who are poor. How "lucky is anyone to be poor and an American living in conditions like that? Darrell Issa is an idiot and ignorant!

Cat in Seattle
Board member of POWER: http://www.mamapower.org

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WTF???? ailsagirl May 2015 #1
Yeah, America is a fabulous place: olegramps May 2015 #37
Must be "The New American Dream" ailsagirl May 2015 #41
oh this sh*t again azurnoir May 2015 #2
Obviously this man has never been Kelvin Mace May 2015 #4
The poverty here is really stunning. a la izquierda May 2015 #85
Hey, give the GOP time packman May 2015 #64
Yep, he's a shit stain alright. calimary May 2015 #68
Is that bar low enough now? Comparing ourselves to life in Third World countries? Gidney N Cloyd May 2015 #3
The've been doing this for quite some time d_legendary1 May 2015 #13
And once the working poor are stripped of all the benefits that the Repugs resent maddiemom May 2015 #53
same trick Republicans tried with torture: "Saddam & al Qaedy did worse!" yurbud May 2015 #58
Right, the envy of the world because elleng May 2015 #5
Our poor are the best we are number 1. gordianot May 2015 #6
Fascism maindawg May 2015 #7
I don't know why many Dems. and the left abstain from using the term fascism, appalachiablue May 2015 #95
Says the guy who has made his riches off the fear of crime knightmaar May 2015 #8
Well, that's true, in a limited sense. cheapdate May 2015 #9
The world is a big place n2doc May 2015 #11
Those people are capsizing in boats by the hundreds on a weekly basis JonLP24 May 2015 #77
I don't believe The Onion articles are acceptable LBN sources, n2doc. Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #10
"those in poverty here are better off" louis-t May 2015 #12
I guess it's because they don't have flies on their faces. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #14
I guess he's never talked to poor people who live in countries with universal health care. tanyev May 2015 #15
India has universal health care. Which country would you prefer to be poor in? Recursion May 2015 #86
Considering he's a national elected official, he's either lying, or stupid. closeupready May 2015 #16
The poor in India are in worse shape than the poor in the US oberliner May 2015 #17
Did you even read the opening post? closeupready May 2015 #18
Not really oberliner May 2015 #20
No problem. I'm guilty of that plenty myself. closeupready May 2015 #24
Depends on how you measure it Recursion May 2015 #87
Did you ever encounter a Republican you wouldn't 'meet half way'? closeupready May 2015 #89
When a Republican Congressman talks like that . . . Jack Rabbit May 2015 #19
+5 The set up for more cuts to the safey net and no whining about more job losses cuz appalachiablue May 2015 #96
Come on down Issa. Come down here with nothing of your own. Let us set up a situation like we jwirr May 2015 #21
If being poor is the "envy the world", then let's take Darrell's money away LeftInTX May 2015 #22
Better yet, BURN his money in front of him. AngryDem001 May 2015 #74
Issa is pure evil. I wish someone would take asjr May 2015 #23
this bullshit again????? heaven05 May 2015 #25
HA! Plucketeer May 2015 #39
I truly hope and desire that heaven05 May 2015 #60
Isn't the richest country Qatar or UAE? Ilsa May 2015 #26
n2doc Diclotican May 2015 #27
Then go live with the poor, Darrell! See how they "live it up!" muntrv May 2015 #28
Issa thinks America's poor should be knocked down a peg so that we're more in line with Ed Suspicious May 2015 #29
Issa's wealth has doubled in the last few years stuffmatters May 2015 #30
Oh, how I wish that Kruger and Rubin's 2001 plan had been successful Tom Ripley May 2015 #31
Such lack of empathy is vomit inducing to say the least, what a clueless, out of touch bastard. nt mother earth May 2015 #32
Hey mr criminal issa... Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #33
Exactly! butterfly77 May 2015 #47
He needs to get out more... Feron May 2015 #34
His district is on the Pacific Coast between LA and San Diego n2doc May 2015 #35
Ahh, the "they have running water, refrigerators, and toilets. How poor could they be?" argument PersonNumber503602 May 2015 #36
Why he is allowed to breathe? nt valerief May 2015 #38
ONLY. ... in this great nation Plucketeer May 2015 #40
Issa is the richest man in Congress? KamaAina May 2015 #42
Whatta a phuckstick Darrell Issa is! TheDebbieDee May 2015 #43
it is physically impossible to be this fucking dumb cindyperry May 2015 #44
This is what the TPP is all about. Jesus Malverde May 2015 #45
+1. nt candelista May 2015 #59
Oh for fuck sake! americannightmare May 2015 #46
Instead of Arguing RobinA May 2015 #48
Then go steal a car and join them, Darrel. truthisfreedom May 2015 #49
This is what we're up against folks. lovemydog May 2015 #50
There's no way like the American Way. mahatmakanejeeves May 2015 #51
If the folks in the picture were white kacekwl May 2015 #55
Car Alarms? HassleCat May 2015 #52
That's kind of like saying OnionPatch May 2015 #54
This argument just blows me out of the water. leftyladyfrommo May 2015 #56
The guy is a WARPED subhuman. n/t vkkv May 2015 #57
Sounds like a bumper sticker: "America - Best Place to Be Poor. Vote GOP 2016." Vinca May 2015 #61
Ask the protesters in Baltimore ... Martin Eden May 2015 #62
Grand Theft Issa up to his usual crap. riqster May 2015 #63
Wealth disparity is more detrimental to health than absolute poverty. McCamy Taylor May 2015 #65
Why doesn't darrell fucking issa give away all his ill gotten gains and become one of those Cha May 2015 #66
Darrell Issa dickwad... and asshole to boot. bluegopher May 2015 #67
I bet that's what the rich mans said to Lazarus, mutatis mutandis. Joe Chi Minh May 2015 #69
My God! You said "mutatis mutandis"! candelista May 2015 #70
Well, I figured that anyone who can't guess the sense of it, Joe Chi Minh May 2015 #71
Here's a link. candelista May 2015 #73
Thanks, candelista. Joe Chi Minh May 2015 #75
Ghost Hunter DreamSmoker May 2015 #72
Asia's & Africa's poor do envy America & Europe JonLP24 May 2015 #76
Hello Cleveland! JohnnyRingo May 2015 #78
not the scandinavian countries, canada, UK, germany, france.... BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #79
Fuck Darrell Issa Dr Rise May 2015 #80
Despite the best efforts of the GOP. nt killbotfactory May 2015 #81
Interesting Read, thanks! feedrover2415 May 2015 #82
He's right Dopers_Greed May 2015 #83
Ask my Somalian friend Margaret how "lucky" are the American Poor? mntleo2 May 2015 #84
You've said so much here. hunter May 2015 #88
thanks for the story, it's enlightening wordpix May 2015 #91
how did Issa get so rich? Last I read he was engaging in insurance fraud wordpix May 2015 #90
and our poor people usually get to eat. barbtries May 2015 #92
America's rich are the envy of the world mb999 May 2015 #93
Darrell Issa is the United State's Marie Antoinette. More cake, please. jalan48 May 2015 #94
He is admitting what the TPP is all about—a race to the bottom. Enthusiast May 2015 #97
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