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42. Well, she got more votes than everyone she ran against in every election she's ever run.

Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:09 PM

Dec 2016

It's not the American people, it's our outdated systems.

I'm still not totally against the concept of the Electoral College, though it's failed us miserably in two of the last five election cycles. I personally now think a more modified approach is to eliminate it, but keep the two Senate seats in each state. That delivers the small states extra clout. Maybe it's not enough - the issue certainly needs examination.

But, Hillary got more primary votes in 2008 - she released her super delegates and conceded.

Hillary hammered Bernie in the primaries (but it was "rigged", don'tchya know).

Hillary has a larger margin of popular vote victory than many sitting presidents did.

Do "the people" not want Hillary, or do we really need to examine our system a little more closely? I think the people did want her.

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Biden: I'm 'embarrassed' by the campaign [View all] DonViejo Dec 2016 OP

So why didn't you run, Joe? KamaAina Dec 2016 #1

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #2

You know, that comment is starting to bug me. LisaM Dec 2016 #8

"But overall, I don't get the stigma attached to its being someone's turn." PassingFair Dec 2016 #19

It's not an appointment. She was a candidate. LisaM Dec 2016 #38

That's not how the American system works... PassingFair Dec 2016 #60

So, it was Obama's turn? TwilightZone Dec 2016 #41

You are completely missing what I am saying. LisaM Dec 2016 #85

Biden was upset about THE MEDIA COVERAGE. Hortensis Dec 2016 #44

This Kathy M Dec 2016 #48

Exactly...Seems pretty obvious to me. n/t whathehell Dec 2016 #66

I responded to that. LisaM Dec 2016 #84

Sorry.. whathehell Dec 2016 #90

Yeah, well, since she was so qualified and such a great candidate Glitterati Dec 2016 #22

being disingenuous doesn't help you make your case.. JHan Dec 2016 #26

Did more people vote for Donnie leftynyc Dec 2016 #32

Well, she got more votes than everyone she ran against in every election she's ever run. LisaM Dec 2016 #42

Nope...no common ground for me on this... Moostache Dec 2016 #61

The Electoral College needs to go the way of buggy whips... but, unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #71

For many years, I thought it was a good thing. I don't want to seem hypocritical. LisaM Dec 2016 #73

Because we've got a lot of idiots here who'd rather elect a "swagger" whathehell Dec 2016 #65

More than once, in the corporate world Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #67

lmao n/t. okieinpain Dec 2016 #100

+100 Well said! skylucy Dec 2016 #77

No. He's blaming the press, not Hillary, and they would have treated him the same. pnwmom Dec 2016 #10

I think the CNN headline is a bit confusing. Well, it was for me till I started reading the riversedge Dec 2016 #46

A most trendy allegation all the cool kids use in place of an answer. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #16

He was told no such thing. Two words. Neil Kinnock. Two more: Anita Hill. MADem Dec 2016 #20

There are people who say it's now TWICE she had it stolen from her. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #27

I've heard Biden say why he didn't run, several times William Seger Dec 2016 #29

He was still grieving his son. JHan Dec 2016 #30

So one case of cancer ends up costing us the free world. KamaAina Dec 2016 #37

"One case of cancer"? What the fuck is wrong with you? phleshdef Dec 2016 #43

Think how many thousands will die because of Cheeto Benito. KamaAina Dec 2016 #45

That's disgusting. So what would you say if he had run but lacked "energy" and "charisma"... Hekate Dec 2016 #63

So who would you have had run who could have won the primary KamaAina Dec 2016 #69

My guess is the DNC would have tolerated him only slightly more than Bernie. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #4

Actually, there was a point where the DNC was considering Joe over Hillary,... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #47

It amazes me that the DNC even thinks in this manner, given Hillary's... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #99

They wouldn't have covered him either. louis-t Dec 2016 #6

Martin O'Malley ran. He was progressive and had plans that actually worked. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #9

Our voting population wants free stuff and understandable rhetoric metroins Dec 2016 #23

And if you dare folks to inquire beyond the slogans.. you get a confused look. JHan Dec 2016 #28

Why are those bad ideas? alarimer Dec 2016 #82

Bad ideas, no, lies, yes metroins Dec 2016 #97

Amen. murielm99 Dec 2016 #36

And the M$M covered him 24/7/365. KamaAina Dec 2016 #39

Because he though Clinton was the most qualified...? LanternWaste Dec 2016 #14

Perhaps he do not feel up to it following the death of another child? etherealtruth Dec 2016 #21

Because his son died. tinrobot Dec 2016 #24

He wasn't "allowed" DK504 Dec 2016 #54

It's my understanding that he's going to be working on the Cancer Moonshot woodsprite Dec 2016 #59

Seriously! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #68

It WAS the media's fault for not, as Bill Maher said, "Doing their F***ing jobs!" nt tblue37 Dec 2016 #72

because he did nto want it to become Obama's VP vs Obama's sos DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #102

This headline needs editing - badly. LisaM Dec 2016 #3

Right. He's not criticizing Hillary; he's criticizing the press. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #11

By the headline, you'd think otherwise! LisaM Dec 2016 #13

The MOST qualified .... "But the press, you didn't cover it." MADem Dec 2016 #5

Clinton raised a billion dollars. She could have hired a marketing consultant KittyWampus Dec 2016 #12

She could have done precisely the same as Trump and acted like a bigot and misogynist... LanternWaste Dec 2016 #17

She needed to lie all year and promise stuff she couldn't deliver.. JHan Dec 2016 #31

Exactly! spooky3 Dec 2016 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Dec 2016 #57

Bannon figured out a way? Yeah, get Putin to hack the election. nt MADem Dec 2016 #18

That's what still stuns me. Thought we'd not fall victim to swiftboating again. JudyM Dec 2016 #58

It is time to abandon the press. I can get tabloid news at the grocery store. 33taw Dec 2016 #7

Hillary did a lot of tip toeing, tried not to step on others toes, there was not the same respect Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #15

I predict the left will continue to cannibalize itself in democrat incumbent years... JHan Dec 2016 #33

Anyone who thinks the answer is a move to the "center" missed the memo. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #49

No, it needs to be good strong Democratic positions. Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #75

Some people think making Wall Street richer than Republicans can is a Democratic position. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #76

Perhaps your vision of Democratic positions is not correct. I could say lots more but it Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #78

My idea of 'Democratic positions' is realizing there are more workers than bosses. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #80

My idea of Democratic positions is to get behind the DNC nominee to prevent someone like Trump Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #83

So saying the party has abandoned the working class is a "right wing talking point"? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #86

perhaps some research into the reason why southern states has change from Democrat to Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #87

No I wouldn't... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #88

Not sure what you think is a winning strategy would be. Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #89

A hint: George Wallace was a Democrat..... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #91

Angry old men die off. Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #92

and The South ain't gonna rise again. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #93

Along with others who will not take flight. Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #95

Yeah,...like the "New Democrats"..... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #96

Well, I am not in that group but see post here which indicates they may be republican. Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #98

POTUS election process taken down to National Enquirer headlines benld74 Dec 2016 #25

The media utterly failed the country (well, we know which part of the country) NRaleighLiberal Dec 2016 #34

but it was their fault, barbtries Dec 2016 #40

Was it really the media 's fault ? Kathy M Dec 2016 #52

i don't. barbtries Dec 2016 #64

everyone is entitled to their own opinion ....... Kathy M Dec 2016 #70

That CNN write-up is basically false. He didn't entirely say he was embarrassed by the "campaign".. George II Dec 2016 #50

And the media coverage will be 180 degrees opposite of what he was trying to say. StevieM Dec 2016 #56

I'm with you, Joe. God bless you. CTyankee Dec 2016 #51

Agree Kathy M Dec 2016 #53

It is still hard to believe agalisgv Dec 2016 #55

Thank you, VP Biden mcar Dec 2016 #62

Most qualified candidate ever was Thomas Jefferson. Land Shark Dec 2016 #74

Corporate entities decide how a campaign is going to be covered. They give the marching orders. YOHABLO Dec 2016 #79

"Hillary Clinton was the single most qualified on the fact of it to run for president of the United Cha Dec 2016 #81

that is it ......... the press didn't report it bdamomma Dec 2016 #94

so he wasn't listening to Bernie's speeches? yurbud Dec 2016 #101