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NewJeffCT

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3. Arnold wasn't beloved
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 01:24 PM
Mar 2017

People thought he was cool because he was an action movie star and a larger than life figure, but beloved? Nah. He has charisma, though, just like Obama has charisma and Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan had charisma.

Since the election, I have been saying that at the presidential level, the more charismatic candidate always wins.
In 1980, Ronald Reagan was the smooth and optimistic former actor, one of the most charismatic Republicans of the 20th century. Jimmy Carter, while smart and extremely competent, was portrayed as stiff and indecisive. Reagan wins big.
1984, Reagan swamps Walter Mondale, a smart and competent, but low charisma candidate.
1988 featured two low charisma candidates, but Mike Dukakis took blandness to epic levels. Bush wins on Reagan’s coattails.
1992 featured the young and charismatic Bill Clinton against low charisma George HW Bush. Clinton wins handily.
1996 was Clinton again versus stern and serious Bob Dole. Clinton wins handily again.
2000 featured “down home” regular guy George W. Bush and out of touch and overly serious elitist Al Gore. Bush ekes out a win.
2004 featured Bush again against smart and competent but bland John Kerry. Bush wins.
2008 was young and charismatic Barack Obama against stern and serious John McCain. Obama wins.
2012 was Obama again versus the elitist and out of touch Mitt Romney
2016 was Hillary Clinton – very smart and competent, but not the most exciting person. Donald Trump was a train wreck, but he had that smarmy con-man charisma that sucked up all the media attention. Trump ekes out a win.


No no no. LisaM Mar 2017 #1
I like Oprah (generally speaking) but she gave us that quack Dr. Oz and that other quack Dr. Phil. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #2
GREAT POINTS. LisaM Mar 2017 #7
Right. My problem with Oprah in a nutshell... thesquanderer Mar 2017 #12
Regarding atheism, she's a kinder and gentler version of Steve Harvey. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #16
And there's her latest thing with Weight Watchers TexasBushwhacker Mar 2017 #32
And Jenny McCarthy, and fucking John of God!! longship Mar 2017 #33
Trump has been susceptible to Putin NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #4
She's very gullible, somewhat delusional, elehhhhna Mar 2017 #15
But there's nothing as treasonous as being a Russian TheDebbieDee Mar 2017 #31
Arnold wasn't beloved NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #3
No more f***ing TV stars! HopeAgain Mar 2017 #5
She'd be a huge upgrade over orange assface. lark Mar 2017 #6
Trump mentioned her for VP when he was still 150:1 HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #8
Every point leveled at Trump applies to her.... dobleremolque Mar 2017 #9
NOOOOOOoooo----- packman Mar 2017 #10
Meryl Streep seems to have a level head on her too Ellen Forradalom Mar 2017 #13
If you want a fucking celebrity for President, Liberalagogo Mar 2017 #11
Al Franken Ellen Forradalom Mar 2017 #14
Wouldn't that be a hoot to see campaign signs Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #40
He would make a wonderful POTUS Mars and Minerva Mar 2017 #22
His ex wife is on Fox News. Any skeletons she will bring to the race? yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #28
Not even a good try, yeoman6987. Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #36
I like Oprah. But I like AL franken more. He would have my vote. AgadorSparticus Mar 2017 #42
I would back him 100%. I just don't think he is interested. phleshdef Mar 2017 #46
would have to be 2020, best for Ds if we run someone with experience vs Republicans like Warren Sunlei Mar 2017 #17
No credibility romana Mar 2017 #18
She might as well. She couldn't be any worse than Twitler by a long shot. Vinca Mar 2017 #19
Dubya supposedly had business and leadership experience. keithbvadu2 Mar 2017 #20
His was an ideology problem - it so narrowed his/Cheney's field of view that rational planning JudyM Mar 2017 #29
I know everyone is saying "no no" but honestly she'd win... especially in this dumbed-down climate Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #21
I have to agree, this is a different world LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #23
No thanks... EarthFirst Mar 2017 #24
She'd be a better choice than the current imposter. nt neeksgeek Mar 2017 #25
Okay, but only if her platform includes, "You get free health care! You get free health care! DavidDvorkin Mar 2017 #26
EXACTLY what I was thinking! Behind the Aegis Mar 2017 #44
Please no. C_U_L8R Mar 2017 #27
Oh great, now the billionaire floodgates are opening bekkilyn Mar 2017 #30
If she becomes president ashling Mar 2017 #34
NO THANKS Skittles Mar 2017 #35
I've had my fill of celebrities with no political experience running for office for one lifetime. briv1016 Mar 2017 #37
This Danmel Mar 2017 #38
Oh hell no! n/t moonscape Mar 2017 #39
She and Stephen Colbert would make a nice ticket. Yo_Mama Mar 2017 #41
If she doesn't then I'm all for Kevin Spacey 2020!! pat_k Mar 2017 #43
No more inexperienced rich people. Elizabeth Warren has my vote. I hope she runs. Sparky 1 Mar 2017 #45
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