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92. I would agree somewhat

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:46 PM

Aug 2020

It all depends on the first incident. The second victim was attempting to hit him with a skateboard and the third had drawn a handgun as he approached him from the videos I saw. Quite a mess either way from a self defense standpoint.

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17-year-old arrested for murder and fleeing state after Kenosha shootings that left two dead [View all] irisblue Aug 2020 OP

Well he might have a self defense argument soothsayer Aug 2020 #1

Self Defense Aerator Aug 2020 #7

I don't think that's the way the law works once he has murdered someone. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2020 #22

I agree. You cant claim self defense if YOU started it. oldsoftie Aug 2020 #59

Right.For example, if the guys who tackled Gabbie Giffords' shooter had been shot, that is not SD. Midnight Writer Aug 2020 #101

I would agree somewhat madville Aug 2020 #92

The second and third victims were attempting to detain him for the first shooting NickB79 Aug 2020 #97

Exactly madville Aug 2020 #105

That's how I see it as well NickB79 Aug 2020 #106

Haven't seen any good video of the first incident madville Aug 2020 #109

This is directly tied to the irresponsible encouragement of Trump who has failed us. olegramps Aug 2020 #8

AMEN- directly!! BadGimp Aug 2020 #44

Out of state and armed, probably looking for trouble IronLionZion Aug 2020 #13

Damn straight VA_Jill Aug 2020 #114

Wisconsin julmur Aug 2020 #117

Then she VA_Jill Aug 2020 #120

Self Defense? Nope. apnu Aug 2020 #57

If this is permitted as self-defense Happy Hoosier Aug 2020 #63

No he doesn't obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #79

Breaking Wi. law by being a minor in possession of a rifle will go against him Kaleva Aug 2020 #115

Thank god Johnny2X2X Aug 2020 #2

Hopefully he gets a cell with Dahmers old roommate... AZ8theist Aug 2020 #85

Good Sherman A1 Aug 2020 #3

He needs to be tried as an adult still_one Aug 2020 #4

Whoops, dup entry. Fla Dem Aug 2020 #14

Yep, if he's old enough to own an AR-15, then he's an adult. Fla Dem Aug 2020 #16

Big problem for that terrorist kid. He's 17, not old enough to own... brush Aug 2020 #35

I don't think a few more years would have made a difference in this kid's brain development. patphil Aug 2020 #51

I agree he's been radicalized, probably by his parents who... brush Aug 2020 #54

Oh Yeah! patphil Aug 2020 #55

Or by FOX NEWS ... ins-h-anity... & hate Radio. Lock him up. Aug 2020 #82

Also, someone that age probably freaked out when somebody actually fought back. dhol82 Aug 2020 #111

If the young man was a POC - we would not be having this conversation Dan Aug 2020 #66

Wouldn't be charged at all, would be dead n/t hibbing Aug 2020 #74

Arrested, not shot. Lunabell Aug 2020 #5

HOW ABOUT THAT?!! Alacritous Crier Aug 2020 #17

Well, I hope that they include fries Sherman A1 Aug 2020 #33

Very glad to hear this! Bayard Aug 2020 #6

Fry him. TeamPooka Aug 2020 #9

Yes, murdering someone for murdering someone makes so much sense obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #80

No you're right. He's only 17. He has a long history of murder and terrorism ahead of him TeamPooka Aug 2020 #108

Because killing people for killing people really teaches that killing people is wrong... right? moriah Aug 2020 #119

A "white vigilante" with his AR15. slumcamper Aug 2020 #10

Good news. Now, get some justice if it be possible. Miigwech Aug 2020 #11

Right wing death squads Turbineguy Aug 2020 #12

Do they have an RNC speaking spot for him tonight? greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #15

ouch. stillcool Aug 2020 #48

No, but a quick pardon followed by a high level Homeland Security job... AZ8theist Aug 2020 #87

Oh, come on - he would be perfect in the ICE militia. dhol82 Aug 2020 #113

Domestic Terrorism IronLionZion Aug 2020 #18

At 17 videohead5 Aug 2020 #19

Correct and I was just about to post that Heartstrings Aug 2020 #28

So he's going to pick up fleeing across state lines charge as well apnu Aug 2020 #58

Yup, he was alos charged with being a fugitive from justice obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #81

a youthful indiscretion they will say..... getagrip_already Aug 2020 #20

he may produce a doc's note that he's afflicted with AFFLUENZA.. . sprinkleeninow Aug 2020 #49

trumpfluenza...... getagrip_already Aug 2020 #112

underage for firearm ownership 12over Aug 2020 #21

Probably took Daddy's rifle... SergeStorms Aug 2020 #29

And minimum age for open carry in WI is 18. Nt Heartstrings Aug 2020 #30

No doubt sent by GOPee elements to stoke violence sandensea Aug 2020 #23

Why the rubber gloves? SergeStorms Aug 2020 #31

Bingo sandensea Aug 2020 #36

I have read that they wear blue gloves so the police can identify them as "friendlies". Midnight Writer Aug 2020 #46

With friends like that... SergeStorms Aug 2020 #50

Hmmmm-interesting. Alliepoo Aug 2020 #67

In that same clip, you see him raise his gloved hand in the air towards the cops. His password. Midnight Writer Aug 2020 #100

In case he had to touch a black Traildogbob Aug 2020 #64

It is to ID himself to the cops that he backs the blue obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #83

Unfreakingbelievable. SergeStorms Aug 2020 #96

Second reference to this video today, where is this video where they give them water? hydrolastic Aug 2020 #122

He'd better hope he's a good swimmer. Aristus Aug 2020 #24

Even less of a sentence if he likes a good steak, too obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #84

And he walked right past the police... SergeStorms Aug 2020 #25

The police actually gave him water and thanked him for "helping them" Heartstrings Aug 2020 #32

Good thing he was white. SergeStorms Aug 2020 #39

Third reference to this video today, where is this video where they give them water? hydrolastic Aug 2020 #123

Shouldn't some type of legal action be taken against the Militia group he was a part of? standingtall Aug 2020 #26

I think so. Among accomplices, sue their assets still_one Aug 2020 #27

At this very moment... SergeStorms Aug 2020 #34

Conspiracy charges obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #86

I hope the victims families get a good lawyer. roamer65 Aug 2020 #110

Interview of Rittenhouse prior to shooting Yonnie3 Aug 2020 #37

What a little piece of shit he is. SergeStorms Aug 2020 #40

Did they Traildogbob Aug 2020 #38

+1,000,000 SergeStorms Aug 2020 #41

The Bucks and Magic listened to you, Bob! SergeStorms Aug 2020 #93

Outstanding! Traildogbob Aug 2020 #95

Regional paper has more info irisblue Aug 2020 #42

Good! SergeStorms Aug 2020 #52

Amen to that. Alliepoo Aug 2020 #68

I mean, he can't go to the yard? greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #73

What bothers me most is the way the cops just let him go they COPS should be held accountable for ace3csusm Aug 2020 #43

to be fair 12over Aug 2020 #45

It looks in the video like it's the same street and there are SWAT vehicles driving by Bengus81 Aug 2020 #56

Not true mcar Aug 2020 #60

And onlookers could be heard in the videos... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #62

I've only seen two vids. 12over Aug 2020 #65

ah 12over Aug 2020 #71

There's video of him shooting someone before he takes off down the street chia Aug 2020 #69

Thats the one i saw ... you can hear people yelling the police have failed ace3csusm Aug 2020 #72

Yep. SergeStorms Aug 2020 #94

um hmmm Kali Aug 2020 #75

Wisconsin julmur Aug 2020 #118

kick Dawson Leery Aug 2020 #47

Antioch... 2naSalit Aug 2020 #53

The idiot crossed state lines to murder. Voltaire2 Aug 2020 #61

"Fine people on both sides". Will probably have a time slot tonight or tomorrow at RNC. Evolve Dammit Aug 2020 #70

Did the officers arresting him stop and get him a meal and water before taking him in? kimbutgar Aug 2020 #76

if biden gets in, i hope he shuts down these so called millitias . AllaN01Bear Aug 2020 #77

Post removed Post removed Aug 2020 #78

Dude, really I exploded? Rly? irisblue Aug 2020 #88

Parents, do you know where your children are? Ligyron Aug 2020 #89

It is extremely rare... paleotn Aug 2020 #90

Malcom Nance is correct Gothmog Aug 2020 #91

Punk VA_Jill Aug 2020 #98

See post 42. He is being charged as an adult by Wisconsin. irisblue Aug 2020 #103

He won't last long in the federal pen, he better have good lawyers Baclava Aug 2020 #99

What a stupid, little shit. In a matter of seconds his life is ruined forever. Vinca Aug 2020 #102

Not to mention the dead victims he caused, and crossed state lines to play with his bubba'd up gun Baclava Aug 2020 #104

This is what happens when the president glamorizes vigilantes. SunSeeker Aug 2020 #107

Lock him up!!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2020 #116

Where are the parents? Linda Ed Aug 2020 #121