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In reply to the discussion: Trump calls on Congress to approve $2,000 stimulus checks, hinting that he might not sign [View all]BumRushDaShow
(172,197 posts)76. I used to work for the federal government as you know
The issue is the adjournment time, although since they are apparently going to be in session next week to attempt to override a potential veto of the NDAA, then something could be done with this bill (and any amendments) too however that is not guaranteed...
To recap -
Article I
(snip)
Section 7.
All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.
Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.
Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei
(snip)
Section 7.
All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.
Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.
Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei
The veto occurs when a President objects to a bill or resolution. The President usually sends the bill back to Congress with a message explaining his objections; this is known as a direct veto. If the President withholds his signature during the 10-day review period allowed by the Constitution and Congress adjourns during that period, it is considered a pocket veto and the bill doesnt become a law. The last pocket veto used by President Bill Clinton in December 2000.
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-presidential-veto-power-explained
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-presidential-veto-power-explained
The last pocket veto was Bill Clinton's (note the date of the veto and the 107th Congress was sworn in on January 3rd, 2001... Congress didn't even wait the 10 days and adjourned on December 15) -
Clinton Vetoes Bankruptcy Bill
DEB RIECHMANN December 19, 2000
WASHINGTON (AP) _ President Clinton vetoed legislation Tuesday that proposed the most sweeping changes in the bankruptcy law in 20 years because he said it was unfair to ordinary debtors and working families who fall on hard times. Supporters of the bill, including credit card companies, have pushed for three years to pass a bill to overhaul the nations bankruptcy system. Clinton also favors revamping the bankruptcy laws but thinks the current bill is not evenhanded.
``I would have signed a balanced bankruptcy reform bill that addressed known abuses without tilting the playing field against those debtors who genuinely turn to bankruptcy for a fresh start,″ Clinton said in a statement released Tuesday evening. The president said the bill would allow debtors who own expensive homes to shield their mansions from creditors while debtors with moderate incomes, especially renters, must live frugally and comply with rigid payment plans for five to seven years.
``This loophole for the wealthy is fundamentally unfair and must be closed,″ Clinton said. Clinton also criticized the bills failure to address the ``abusive use″ of the bankruptcy laws by anti-abortion activists ``who espouse and practice violence at health care clinics″ and then use bankruptcy as a shield against liability.
An early version of the bill would have barred such use of the bankruptcy system, but that provision was dropped in the final legislation that passed Congress. By leaving the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2000 unsigned, the president issued a ``pocket veto,″ the fourth indirect veto of his administration. By waiting until the lame-duck congressional session adjourned before vetoing it, he deprived lawmakers of the chance to override the veto.
https://apnews.com/article/b52e0f874e5e4682442bf2e2dea2009b
DEB RIECHMANN December 19, 2000
WASHINGTON (AP) _ President Clinton vetoed legislation Tuesday that proposed the most sweeping changes in the bankruptcy law in 20 years because he said it was unfair to ordinary debtors and working families who fall on hard times. Supporters of the bill, including credit card companies, have pushed for three years to pass a bill to overhaul the nations bankruptcy system. Clinton also favors revamping the bankruptcy laws but thinks the current bill is not evenhanded.
``I would have signed a balanced bankruptcy reform bill that addressed known abuses without tilting the playing field against those debtors who genuinely turn to bankruptcy for a fresh start,″ Clinton said in a statement released Tuesday evening. The president said the bill would allow debtors who own expensive homes to shield their mansions from creditors while debtors with moderate incomes, especially renters, must live frugally and comply with rigid payment plans for five to seven years.
``This loophole for the wealthy is fundamentally unfair and must be closed,″ Clinton said. Clinton also criticized the bills failure to address the ``abusive use″ of the bankruptcy laws by anti-abortion activists ``who espouse and practice violence at health care clinics″ and then use bankruptcy as a shield against liability.
An early version of the bill would have barred such use of the bankruptcy system, but that provision was dropped in the final legislation that passed Congress. By leaving the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2000 unsigned, the president issued a ``pocket veto,″ the fourth indirect veto of his administration. By waiting until the lame-duck congressional session adjourned before vetoing it, he deprived lawmakers of the chance to override the veto.
https://apnews.com/article/b52e0f874e5e4682442bf2e2dea2009b
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Trump calls on Congress to approve $2,000 stimulus checks, hinting that he might not sign [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Dec 2020
OP
This is third level moron. Why on earth didn't you do the payout before the election?
underpants
Dec 2020
#3
I think we need some legislative scholars to weigh in, and I'm sure CNN or MSNBC will do so....
George II
Dec 2020
#70
It more than likely won't be overriden...if Trump doesn't sign it ...it takes ten days , Congress
Demsrule86
Dec 2020
#33
Mitch is already spinning that the gop wanted to give more sooner, but the dirty dem socialist's
getagrip_already
Dec 2020
#88
That is just completely heartless. I used to live in GA, Republicans are very loyal and consider
Demsrule86
Dec 2020
#89
They really are...and I don't think we win Georgia either...McConnell passed a bill...and Trump
Demsrule86
Dec 2020
#92
This is the same "guy" that thinks blue is green and green is blue...........
turbinetree
Dec 2020
#21
Civics 101 - the 116th Congress ends January 3rd, 2021 when the 117th is sworn in
BumRushDaShow
Dec 2020
#31
Note the edited OP with Nancy Pelosi's response that I will include below
BumRushDaShow
Dec 2020
#43
Nobody will get anything. Millions will get evicted in the cold with nowhere to go, nothing to eat..
Lock him up.
Dec 2020
#58
lol she's called his bluff and it will be thrown to the GOP Senate to defeat it
bucolic_frolic
Dec 2020
#32
If he is willing to sign something before January 3rd, then there is time all of next week.
BumRushDaShow
Dec 2020
#72
It is horrible. But he doesn't want just increased stimulus. He wants the entire bill
Demsrule86
Dec 2020
#74
(It would be in a shutdown right now.) EDIT - 7 day extension was signed last night.
BumRushDaShow
Dec 2020
#45
Well that will furlough hundreds of thousands or more of federal employees
BumRushDaShow
Dec 2020
#73
The problem is that the government funding bill is included with the covid relief bill
BumRushDaShow
Dec 2020
#79
Yes - I just confirmed it was a 1-week extension (despite earlier reports of 1 day)
BumRushDaShow
Dec 2020
#51
"Make that $3,000, no ... $3,500 ... yeah ... that's the ticket!" Tommy Flanagan ...
marble falls
Dec 2020
#80
Yeah I mentioned pocket veto several times in this thread and in the (now messed up link in) the OP
BumRushDaShow
Dec 2020
#99