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43. It prevents them from WINNING.

Fri Feb 4, 2022, 08:58 PM

Feb 2022

She would not be excluded from anything because she enjoys sports. She could swim on an "open to all" team.

And this is ALSO not comparable to being excluded from jobs, which have nothing to do with someone's body structure. She has a masculine body structure that gives her an unfair advantage in women's swimming.

It wouldn't give her an unfair advantage as an CEO or an attorney, or a doctor -- none of which are physical competitions.

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16 Penn swimmers say transgender teammate Lia Thomas shouldn't be allowed to compete [View all] melm00se Feb 2022 OP

No surprise here. Casady1 Feb 2022 #1

I think they're right. Lia wasn't Olympic material when she was swimming as a male, . pnwmom Feb 2022 #2

I agree Mz Pip Feb 2022 #3

+1 LizBeth Feb 2022 #5

I'm with you for all the reasons you explained. likesmountains 52 Feb 2022 #6

I totally agree. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #7

Agree with pnwmom srose58089 Feb 2022 #10

Sometimes ideology makes us deny what is obvious before our eyes greenjar_01 Feb 2022 #14

This was eventually going to happen. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #22

Another +1 n/t ChazII Feb 2022 #28

Well, when you put it that way... dchill Feb 2022 #34

forcing her out of the competition is just as bad as forcing her out of a women's restroom cadoman Feb 2022 #37

No, it's not comparable. Her using the women's bathroom doesn't prevent pnwmom Feb 2022 #39

her swimming in competition doesn't prevent other women from swimming either cadoman Feb 2022 #41

It prevents them from WINNING. pnwmom Feb 2022 #43

sports are about determining who is the best--including their physical gifts cadoman Feb 2022 #44

We have women's sports teams because in many sports, women would never qualify pnwmom Feb 2022 #45

Then you are for transwomen taking over women's sports? LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #47

To be "inclusive" is to overlook that...... BradAllison Feb 2022 #51

Everybody gets that this is parody, right? greenjar_01 Feb 2022 #52

By that logic cis men should be allowed to play womens sports. nt prodigitalson Feb 2022 #88

Post removed Post removed Feb 2022 #50

Thank you for all you said and how you said it Hekate Feb 2022 #49

May I ask an honest question of you? moriah Feb 2022 #57

I haven't seen anything indicating that she was near the top before she began the hormones. pnwmom Feb 2022 #59

+1 /nt romana Feb 2022 #87

This is one of those arguments where I see both sides ... Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2022 #4

I have to agree William Seger Feb 2022 #9

As long as it doesn't validate trans people only having 50% gynecology or urology care coverage next FreepFryer Feb 2022 #8

Shouldn't be allowed to compete? Dr. Strange Feb 2022 #11

there are regulations that are not yet in place yet... JT45242 Feb 2022 #12

Your post effectively adds credence to the swimmers' position notKeith Feb 2022 #15

Spoken with brother in law -- fearful of potential responses JT45242 Feb 2022 #23

But it's not just about hormones. A person who goes through puberty as a male pnwmom Feb 2022 #19

Now the flood gates are open. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #13

science is absolute catsudon Feb 2022 #16

Let's Hope RobinA Feb 2022 #64

Ranked #462 & then jump to #1 is obviously all the evidence needed. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #17

right, and in mmo/boxing catsudon Feb 2022 #20

If I remember right DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2022 #36

Link to the article in the Washington Post: mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2022 #18

We disc golf here and the same issue is happening concerning Baked Potato Feb 2022 #21

they should be afraid because they are bigots cadoman Feb 2022 #38

I think it is bigoted to hold onto a view that is clearly not black and white elias7 Feb 2022 #48

I have mixed emotions DownriverDem Feb 2022 #24

Check Post 2 upthread n/t PatrickforB Feb 2022 #26

She went through puberty as a male, and swam as a male for the first years in college. pnwmom Feb 2022 #30

Yes DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2022 #35

Should this affect any Title IX athletic scholarship she may receive? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2022 #25

While anyone can decide what gender they are, Jetheels Feb 2022 #27

Post removed Post removed Feb 2022 #55

Did she have the surgery to become physically a female or can she revert back to male at her conveni keithbvadu2 Feb 2022 #29

Whether or not she had "bottom surgery," no surgery could decrease the breadth of her shoulders, pnwmom Feb 2022 #31

Absolutely! keithbvadu2 Feb 2022 #32

A HEY LOOK SHINY OBJECT issue whistler162 Feb 2022 #33

It's not a trivial issue to the women on her team, or other serious women athletes pnwmom Feb 2022 #40

I think whistler understands that he has no coherent answer to this problem greenjar_01 Feb 2022 #53

There is a coherent answer. It just isn't one that checks the proper boxes. cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 #54

No the issue is that this is another whistler162 Feb 2022 #56

I realize that this isn't exactly on point, but there is a parallel here. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #42

Yes, it's similar. Lia Thomas was ranked #462 when she was Will; but now she's #1, pnwmom Feb 2022 #46

I have wanted to see a woman player, in any sport, who was so dominant they could compete with the robbob Feb 2022 #63

The Billie Jean King/Bobby Riggs event Mr.Bill Feb 2022 #66

I know that! robbob Feb 2022 #67

The only sports, that I can see, where it would not matter... LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #58

There is actually a trans professional wrestler ripcord Feb 2022 #60

Well there ya go. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #61

I remember when David Arquette won the belt way back when. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #62

This is one of those situations with no "good" solution, unfortunately. Jedi Guy Feb 2022 #65

Some things to ponder... IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #68

Something else to now think about, and why I disbelieve many of you. IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #69

No one hates trans women cabot Feb 2022 #70

No, it's not hyperbole IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #71

I'd take that bet cabot Feb 2022 #72

Trans women are fighting for everything... And that includes fighting "our friends" on DU IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #75

This is Whataboutism at its finest Jose Garcia Feb 2022 #73

So is "If we let trans women into female restrooms, it'll be easier to sexually assault us!" IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #77

Washrooms cabot Feb 2022 #78

I don't think you care about fairness IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #79

I could say the same thing about you cabot Feb 2022 #83

No. YOU don't care about fairness... Or trans people IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #85

So you missed all the Valieva threads over the last week. Ace Rothstein Feb 2022 #74

Seen plenty of them... IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #76

That is a contemptuous statement cabot Feb 2022 #80

Okay, bigot IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #81

No, I don't cabot Feb 2022 #82

When do you listen to the concerns of the trans community?! IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #86

It s/b up to the governing body for each sport. Oneironaut Feb 2022 #84