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139. Then You Know

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Mon Jan 23, 2012, 08:41 AM

Jan 2012

that these situations are rarely black and white.

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Joe Paterno, 85, dies in State College [View all] maddezmom Jan 2012 OP

An enviable career and life completely ruined at the end Doctor_J Jan 2012 #1

He's not a Catholic Bishop DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #3

What is a professional alerter? maddezmom Jan 2012 #5

"Professional Alerter?" OhioChick Jan 2012 #12

I'm thinking DTO means anyone that voted to hide his posts maddezmom Jan 2012 #22

Now, that's one colorful page! OhioChick Jan 2012 #83

I'm sure all the sanctimonious twits here are celebrating his passing, Sinistrous Jan 2012 #8

yeah, rape of young boys is just fine wial Jan 2012 #11

Not the issue raised in my post, of course, but carry on... Sinistrous Jan 2012 #17

...but "sanctimonious twits" was. RUMMYisFROSTED Jan 2012 #80

Sanctimonious Twit checking in Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #18

He did the right thing. It was just not YOUR right thing. Sinistrous Jan 2012 #20

He did not do either the morally or ethically "right thing" obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #36

I'm so glad to have your word on that. Sinistrous Jan 2012 #37

Just as we're so glad to have yours Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #40

So it would be ok to cover up decades of child rape... Orrex Jan 2012 #41

And "frame of reference." Don't forget the all-important frame of reference. /sarcasm yardwork Jan 2012 #104

Right thing, like transferring his house to his wife for $1 to avoid civil liability? msanthrope Jan 2012 #52

he did the bare minimum as required by law.. frylock Jan 2012 #84

That is a revolting attitude... CoffeeCat Jan 2012 #124

Well-said, fellow sanctimonious twit! (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #23

this sanctimonious twit seconds that (n/t) bread_and_roses Jan 2012 #30

I don't follow football. roody Jan 2012 #19

There's a sad tendency to elevate "good for sports" above all other considerations. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #24

There was so much more. Look up the facts. Sinistrous Jan 2012 #25

Football does not interest me. roody Jan 2012 #27

Perhaps you should indulge your evident interest in people and look up Sinistrous Jan 2012 #31

I take that to mean "no." roody Jan 2012 #33

Donated Money To The School erpowers Jan 2012 #130

I was going to post some of the many examples of how "JoePa" beac Jan 2012 #151

It will cost them five times that in public relations seed $ to repair the reputation of the school MADem Jan 2012 #162

Don't forget the lawsuits Vanje Jan 2012 #163

They might get a few bucks if they melt down that noxious statue of the enabler on campus. MADem Jan 2012 #164

Well, as far as we know, he didn't personally rape any children in the shower, so there's that. Orrex Jan 2012 #28

What an amazingly inappropriate, superficial excuse for a comment. Sinistrous Jan 2012 #32

But not at all inaccurate Orrex Jan 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Sinistrous Jan 2012 #39

Look Who's Talking...... (n/t) Paladin Jan 2012 #42

more than sylveste Jan 2012 #51

I doubt it obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #69

He donated lots of money to the academic side of the school creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #105

He set an example all right, but it was Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #112

You don't know his reasons for not reporting to the police creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #113

Seriously? Give me ONE good reason. Just ONE. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #117

Perhaps he worried that since he only had second hand sketchy information creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #170

See: beac Jan 2012 #152

"When girls got assaulted he would blame the girls?" What a charmer! MADem Jan 2012 #165

There aren't many specifics there and no supporting links creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #171

Links: beac Jan 2012 #178

I don't celebrate anyone's death obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #34

I am very very sad that he died. And, I can understand completely his explanation. He Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #57

Why are you excusing Paterno and making HIM a victim? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #70

I am not making him the victim. I am looking Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #98

Your prior post certainly reads like that obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #101

Memory of this great person? Please. The only thing that was great about him was his FAILURES. MADem Jan 2012 #166

Think you might have prefaced all that with "IMHO". Agree to disagree, I'm100% opposite. Peace nt Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #182

There's nothing "humble" about that view. It's shared by anyone who thinks children should not be MADem Jan 2012 #183

How about IMSRV....Enabler? Sounds like the man rented Sandusky an Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #187

Well, I think he DID know. How could he not? He learns, from a subordinate he trusted, MADem Jan 2012 #190

He didn't shield creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #106

With great power comes great responsibility. nt Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #109

So its OK to accuse him of something he didn't do? creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #114

With great power comes great responsibility. nt Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #118

I wished I could say I was shocked at the grave dancing. ElboRuum Jan 2012 #173

How inconsiderate of us. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #175

Who said you should celebrate anything? ElboRuum Jan 2012 #176

I never realized how many black-and-white thinkers there were here Patiod Jan 2012 #49

The good man who transferred his house to his wife for a $1 after learning of the grand jury msanthrope Jan 2012 #50

Really Vanje Jan 2012 #59

And Oh yes. Vanje Jan 2012 #63

The local (Portland) BSA got opened up to scrutiny only recently. boppers Jan 2012 #90

The Portland Boy Scouts Vanje Jan 2012 #94

Wish I had words to describe... Zenlitened Jan 2012 #85

I wish the (few) people who would give the enablers of child abusers slack would read this renate Jan 2012 #121

You then hold others to a higher standard you hold yourself...? LanternWaste Jan 2012 #146

I didn't know he was sick lunatica Jan 2012 #2

Fire all the trustees CrazyBob Jan 2012 #4

"They should have done it sooner" Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #29

I hope you forget the sarcasm smiley obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #35

Yeah. Poor Joe. Iggo Jan 2012 #48

amen. I went to college in PA and we worshipped Joe. He and Penn State were the Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #60

46 seasons with the NLs and they fired him over the phone ! nt Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #64

The poor bastard! Vanje Jan 2012 #65

Can't dredge up any sympathy for him about this obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #68

Gee, what a tragedy. My heart bleeds. Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #73

cynicism is so better aimed at the offender. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #96

cynicism is so better aimed at the offender. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #97

Sympathy is so better aimed at the victims. Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #120

assumes you only can give sympathy to one person/side. nt Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #136

The children are the victims...and the only victims. Critters2 Jan 2012 #115

Actually, cancer killed Joe Paterno. And the child rapist probably shares some responsibility too. yardwork Jan 2012 #107

I find it hard to muster sympathy... SoapBox Jan 2012 #6

I'm reserving my sympathy and condolances for the people he destroyed rocktivity Jan 2012 #13

When he was fired, I told some of my friends that he wouldn't live 6 months liberal N proud Jan 2012 #7

Good. Zoeisright Jan 2012 #9

I was at his final game as coach. CANDO Jan 2012 #10

Fuck football Vanje Jan 2012 #67

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #92

No, Cando Vanje Jan 2012 #95

That seems like a bit of an over-the-top response TheCruces Jan 2012 #157

Paterno died in disgrace. Archae Jan 2012 #14

I bet his supporter at Penn State itsrobert Jan 2012 #15

His supporters here are claiming just that too. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #21

I cannot believe some of the posts here obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #71

JoPa was an accessory after the fact. Plain and simple. He enabled a perpetrator and allowed him to MADem Jan 2012 #131

Nah, no doubt it's the VICTIMS that caused it durablend Jan 2012 #58

How dare those children allow the great JoePa's reputation be sullied! Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #75

Those little bastards are ignoring all the good JoePa did. Iggo Jan 2012 #140

Could have been known as the greatest football coach who also helped stopped a child rapist. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #16

Prayers for his family. nt TBF Jan 2012 #26

I'm sure in a few years the child abuse stuff will be forgotten....but for now cbdo2007 Jan 2012 #43

Forgotten by everybody except the children who were raped. yardwork Jan 2012 #108

Exactly. nt Critters2 Jan 2012 #116

I doubt they'll spend too much time worrying about Paterno, he's dead. cbdo2007 Jan 2012 #122

Er, he was fired over the phone. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #123

You don't follow many sports do you? cbdo2007 Jan 2012 #145

No question. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #149

Memories will linger. Opposing team coaches will fire up their players by exhorting them to MADem Jan 2012 #167

My thoughts tawadi Jan 2012 #44

You nailed it. Paterno "gave up his integrity for football." n/t Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #47

And just think those showers are still there in that locker room MinervaX Jan 2012 #86

Not sure where I stand on this Bohunk68 Jan 2012 #45

Very well said tawadi Jan 2012 #46

omg, I cannot imagine renate Jan 2012 #134

Thanks for your kindness Bohunk68 Jan 2012 #144

A Great Football Coach.... Pachamama Jan 2012 #53

my sympathy to his loved ones Skittles Jan 2012 #54

Hey there's yet another one to go that I can't be bothered to care about ButterflyBlood Jan 2012 #55

Wow. Saved by the bell. Taverner Jan 2012 #56

Yeah...too bad...he should have lived to testify & have to hear the testimony of the victims... Pachamama Jan 2012 #62

I thought that, too obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #72

Fuck Joe Paterno. Vanje Jan 2012 #61

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #66

To whom are you speaking? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #74

But grave dancing Coyote_Bandit Jan 2012 #76

The grave dancers on this thread and elsewhere are horrid people alcibiades_mystery Jan 2012 #77

Well, It was ONLY pedophilia, afterall. Vanje Jan 2012 #78

Vanje... ElboRuum Jan 2012 #174

Her life experiences give her that right obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #177

She's got as much right... ElboRuum Jan 2012 #193

Well, call me classless....and call me callous Vanje Jan 2012 #186

I'm not calling you callous and classless ElboRuum Jan 2012 #194

"License to be callous." Did you really just say that... Zenlitened Jan 2012 #192

My choice? ElboRuum Jan 2012 #195

"Classless." You keep using that term... Zenlitened Jan 2012 #196

+1 Faygo Kid Jan 2012 #79

Wow. How utterly callous your edit is. Zenlitened Jan 2012 #87

I agree. Says a lot about Paterno supporters. yardwork Jan 2012 #111

I figure the visceral hatred of rapists' allies is a bigger factor here than hatred of sports. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #88

"Rapologists"? Zenlitened Jan 2012 #119

Yeah, Well.... Vanje Jan 2012 #89

Don't worry. The jury says it's OK to call people head cases now. QC Jan 2012 #148

Give it a rest Taverner Jan 2012 #82

No one is grave dancing obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #91

Pain depends on point of view Coyote_Bandit Jan 2012 #93

Our posts are a reaction to the lauders and apologists obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #100

And the decades of abuse from Sandusky isn't? Initech Jan 2012 #102

As opposed to people who aid and abet child rapists. They're heroes. yardwork Jan 2012 #110

I don't believe in god, souls or sin. I do believe in mercy. Taverner Jan 2012 #81

But did he know full well about it? melissaf Jan 2012 #125

During which investigation Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #126

"Potentially another"? melissaf Jan 2012 #127

Wait, what? Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #128

If there's another investigation, melissaf Jan 2012 #180

Suggestion........regardless of your views please try and remain civil people. nt cstanleytech Jan 2012 #99

LOL. AngryOldDem Jan 2012 #103

I don't think most of us here would tiptoe anywhere near the moral abyss that "JoPa" found himself MADem Jan 2012 #132

Do "Most of Us Here" RobinA Jan 2012 #141

I do not think most people come close to what Paterno did obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #142

You Are Right RobinA Jan 2012 #153

No--the "babe in the woods" wasn't Paterno--it was that poor kid trapped underneath that Sandusky MADem Jan 2012 #161

If anyone has to "ask" themselves what they might do when a trusted employee comes MADem Jan 2012 #156

Are YOU fucking KIDDING me!? Vanje Jan 2012 #158

My thought, too obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #160

I've reported two child rapists in my career. No nuance, no grey area. I learned they were Critters2 Jan 2012 #179

I've mever enabled a chid rapist or hurt a child obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #137

Then You Know RobinA Jan 2012 #139

That's how I know they are black and white obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #143

Then I Question RobinA Jan 2012 #155

No! Vanje Jan 2012 #159

Other than my prior post I have largely stayed out of this thread because these types of threads cstanleytech Jan 2012 #191

Joe probably should have retired years back... MrMickeysMom Jan 2012 #129

This thread is interesting in how too seriously people take football. Guy Montag Jan 2012 #133

people involved in athletics can get just about the worst tunnel vision yurbud Jan 2012 #172

joe paterno-pedophile enabler solarman350 Jan 2012 #135

He's being given a state funeral obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #138

That is shocking! roody Jan 2012 #168

Penn STATE melissaf Jan 2012 #184

Judging By The Attitudes RobinA Jan 2012 #185

We know we are taking about Penn State and not the U of P obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #189

The University of Pennsylvanoa is in Philly obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #188

I hate to bash the dead but... BigD_95 Jan 2012 #147

I too am amazed that Paterno has a such a great reputation. beac Jan 2012 #154

There are days when I wish I believed in hell. kaitcat Jan 2012 #150

that guy laid a turd on his own obituary yurbud Jan 2012 #169

I'm not celebrating his death, but then again, I never celebrated his life Tom Ripley Jan 2012 #181