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156. If anyone has to "ask" themselves what they might do when a trusted employee comes

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 05:16 PM

Jan 2012

to one with a tale about another employee fucking a small child in a team shower, then they have Big Issues.

It's a no-brainer. Yes, this IS a "black and white" matter, and you don't have to live in a black and white world to see that.

No amount of football money, team hoo-ha, yee-haw and alumni drunken pride is worth the abuse of a kid. Or ten. Or twenty. Or hundreds.

If you know it happened, and you don't speak up and stop it and bring the perpetrator to justice, you're no better than a damn pimp.

When the kettle whistles, you take it off the stove. You don't sit there hoping that the water will eventually evaporate and the kettle melt into nothingness.

The guy -- in his most important leadership test -- demonstrated an abject failure to lead.

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Joe Paterno, 85, dies in State College [View all] maddezmom Jan 2012 OP

An enviable career and life completely ruined at the end Doctor_J Jan 2012 #1

He's not a Catholic Bishop DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #3

What is a professional alerter? maddezmom Jan 2012 #5

"Professional Alerter?" OhioChick Jan 2012 #12

I'm thinking DTO means anyone that voted to hide his posts maddezmom Jan 2012 #22

Now, that's one colorful page! OhioChick Jan 2012 #83

I'm sure all the sanctimonious twits here are celebrating his passing, Sinistrous Jan 2012 #8

yeah, rape of young boys is just fine wial Jan 2012 #11

Not the issue raised in my post, of course, but carry on... Sinistrous Jan 2012 #17

...but "sanctimonious twits" was. RUMMYisFROSTED Jan 2012 #80

Sanctimonious Twit checking in Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #18

He did the right thing. It was just not YOUR right thing. Sinistrous Jan 2012 #20

He did not do either the morally or ethically "right thing" obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #36

I'm so glad to have your word on that. Sinistrous Jan 2012 #37

Just as we're so glad to have yours Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #40

So it would be ok to cover up decades of child rape... Orrex Jan 2012 #41

And "frame of reference." Don't forget the all-important frame of reference. /sarcasm yardwork Jan 2012 #104

Right thing, like transferring his house to his wife for $1 to avoid civil liability? msanthrope Jan 2012 #52

he did the bare minimum as required by law.. frylock Jan 2012 #84

That is a revolting attitude... CoffeeCat Jan 2012 #124

Well-said, fellow sanctimonious twit! (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #23

this sanctimonious twit seconds that (n/t) bread_and_roses Jan 2012 #30

I don't follow football. roody Jan 2012 #19

There's a sad tendency to elevate "good for sports" above all other considerations. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #24

There was so much more. Look up the facts. Sinistrous Jan 2012 #25

Football does not interest me. roody Jan 2012 #27

Perhaps you should indulge your evident interest in people and look up Sinistrous Jan 2012 #31

I take that to mean "no." roody Jan 2012 #33

Donated Money To The School erpowers Jan 2012 #130

I was going to post some of the many examples of how "JoePa" beac Jan 2012 #151

It will cost them five times that in public relations seed $ to repair the reputation of the school MADem Jan 2012 #162

Don't forget the lawsuits Vanje Jan 2012 #163

They might get a few bucks if they melt down that noxious statue of the enabler on campus. MADem Jan 2012 #164

Well, as far as we know, he didn't personally rape any children in the shower, so there's that. Orrex Jan 2012 #28

What an amazingly inappropriate, superficial excuse for a comment. Sinistrous Jan 2012 #32

But not at all inaccurate Orrex Jan 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Sinistrous Jan 2012 #39

Look Who's Talking...... (n/t) Paladin Jan 2012 #42

more than sylveste Jan 2012 #51

I doubt it obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #69

He donated lots of money to the academic side of the school creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #105

He set an example all right, but it was Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #112

You don't know his reasons for not reporting to the police creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #113

Seriously? Give me ONE good reason. Just ONE. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #117

Perhaps he worried that since he only had second hand sketchy information creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #170

See: beac Jan 2012 #152

"When girls got assaulted he would blame the girls?" What a charmer! MADem Jan 2012 #165

There aren't many specifics there and no supporting links creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #171

Links: beac Jan 2012 #178

I don't celebrate anyone's death obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #34

I am very very sad that he died. And, I can understand completely his explanation. He Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #57

Why are you excusing Paterno and making HIM a victim? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #70

I am not making him the victim. I am looking Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #98

Your prior post certainly reads like that obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #101

Memory of this great person? Please. The only thing that was great about him was his FAILURES. MADem Jan 2012 #166

Think you might have prefaced all that with "IMHO". Agree to disagree, I'm100% opposite. Peace nt Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #182

There's nothing "humble" about that view. It's shared by anyone who thinks children should not be MADem Jan 2012 #183

How about IMSRV....Enabler? Sounds like the man rented Sandusky an Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #187

Well, I think he DID know. How could he not? He learns, from a subordinate he trusted, MADem Jan 2012 #190

He didn't shield creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #106

With great power comes great responsibility. nt Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #109

So its OK to accuse him of something he didn't do? creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #114

With great power comes great responsibility. nt Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #118

I wished I could say I was shocked at the grave dancing. ElboRuum Jan 2012 #173

How inconsiderate of us. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #175

Who said you should celebrate anything? ElboRuum Jan 2012 #176

I never realized how many black-and-white thinkers there were here Patiod Jan 2012 #49

The good man who transferred his house to his wife for a $1 after learning of the grand jury msanthrope Jan 2012 #50

Really Vanje Jan 2012 #59

And Oh yes. Vanje Jan 2012 #63

The local (Portland) BSA got opened up to scrutiny only recently. boppers Jan 2012 #90

The Portland Boy Scouts Vanje Jan 2012 #94

Wish I had words to describe... Zenlitened Jan 2012 #85

I wish the (few) people who would give the enablers of child abusers slack would read this renate Jan 2012 #121

You then hold others to a higher standard you hold yourself...? LanternWaste Jan 2012 #146

I didn't know he was sick lunatica Jan 2012 #2

Fire all the trustees CrazyBob Jan 2012 #4

"They should have done it sooner" Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #29

I hope you forget the sarcasm smiley obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #35

Yeah. Poor Joe. Iggo Jan 2012 #48

amen. I went to college in PA and we worshipped Joe. He and Penn State were the Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #60

46 seasons with the NLs and they fired him over the phone ! nt Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #64

The poor bastard! Vanje Jan 2012 #65

Can't dredge up any sympathy for him about this obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #68

Gee, what a tragedy. My heart bleeds. Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #73

cynicism is so better aimed at the offender. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #96

cynicism is so better aimed at the offender. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #97

Sympathy is so better aimed at the victims. Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #120

assumes you only can give sympathy to one person/side. nt Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2012 #136

The children are the victims...and the only victims. Critters2 Jan 2012 #115

Actually, cancer killed Joe Paterno. And the child rapist probably shares some responsibility too. yardwork Jan 2012 #107

I find it hard to muster sympathy... SoapBox Jan 2012 #6

I'm reserving my sympathy and condolances for the people he destroyed rocktivity Jan 2012 #13

When he was fired, I told some of my friends that he wouldn't live 6 months liberal N proud Jan 2012 #7

Good. Zoeisright Jan 2012 #9

I was at his final game as coach. CANDO Jan 2012 #10

Fuck football Vanje Jan 2012 #67

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #92

No, Cando Vanje Jan 2012 #95

That seems like a bit of an over-the-top response TheCruces Jan 2012 #157

Paterno died in disgrace. Archae Jan 2012 #14

I bet his supporter at Penn State itsrobert Jan 2012 #15

His supporters here are claiming just that too. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #21

I cannot believe some of the posts here obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #71

JoPa was an accessory after the fact. Plain and simple. He enabled a perpetrator and allowed him to MADem Jan 2012 #131

Nah, no doubt it's the VICTIMS that caused it durablend Jan 2012 #58

How dare those children allow the great JoePa's reputation be sullied! Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #75

Those little bastards are ignoring all the good JoePa did. Iggo Jan 2012 #140

Could have been known as the greatest football coach who also helped stopped a child rapist. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #16

Prayers for his family. nt TBF Jan 2012 #26

I'm sure in a few years the child abuse stuff will be forgotten....but for now cbdo2007 Jan 2012 #43

Forgotten by everybody except the children who were raped. yardwork Jan 2012 #108

Exactly. nt Critters2 Jan 2012 #116

I doubt they'll spend too much time worrying about Paterno, he's dead. cbdo2007 Jan 2012 #122

Er, he was fired over the phone. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #123

You don't follow many sports do you? cbdo2007 Jan 2012 #145

No question. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #149

Memories will linger. Opposing team coaches will fire up their players by exhorting them to MADem Jan 2012 #167

My thoughts tawadi Jan 2012 #44

You nailed it. Paterno "gave up his integrity for football." n/t Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #47

And just think those showers are still there in that locker room MinervaX Jan 2012 #86

Not sure where I stand on this Bohunk68 Jan 2012 #45

Very well said tawadi Jan 2012 #46

omg, I cannot imagine renate Jan 2012 #134

Thanks for your kindness Bohunk68 Jan 2012 #144

A Great Football Coach.... Pachamama Jan 2012 #53

my sympathy to his loved ones Skittles Jan 2012 #54

Hey there's yet another one to go that I can't be bothered to care about ButterflyBlood Jan 2012 #55

Wow. Saved by the bell. Taverner Jan 2012 #56

Yeah...too bad...he should have lived to testify & have to hear the testimony of the victims... Pachamama Jan 2012 #62

I thought that, too obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #72

Fuck Joe Paterno. Vanje Jan 2012 #61

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #66

To whom are you speaking? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #74

But grave dancing Coyote_Bandit Jan 2012 #76

The grave dancers on this thread and elsewhere are horrid people alcibiades_mystery Jan 2012 #77

Well, It was ONLY pedophilia, afterall. Vanje Jan 2012 #78

Vanje... ElboRuum Jan 2012 #174

Her life experiences give her that right obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #177

She's got as much right... ElboRuum Jan 2012 #193

Well, call me classless....and call me callous Vanje Jan 2012 #186

I'm not calling you callous and classless ElboRuum Jan 2012 #194

"License to be callous." Did you really just say that... Zenlitened Jan 2012 #192

My choice? ElboRuum Jan 2012 #195

"Classless." You keep using that term... Zenlitened Jan 2012 #196

+1 Faygo Kid Jan 2012 #79

Wow. How utterly callous your edit is. Zenlitened Jan 2012 #87

I agree. Says a lot about Paterno supporters. yardwork Jan 2012 #111

I figure the visceral hatred of rapists' allies is a bigger factor here than hatred of sports. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #88

"Rapologists"? Zenlitened Jan 2012 #119

Yeah, Well.... Vanje Jan 2012 #89

Don't worry. The jury says it's OK to call people head cases now. QC Jan 2012 #148

Give it a rest Taverner Jan 2012 #82

No one is grave dancing obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #91

Pain depends on point of view Coyote_Bandit Jan 2012 #93

Our posts are a reaction to the lauders and apologists obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #100

And the decades of abuse from Sandusky isn't? Initech Jan 2012 #102

As opposed to people who aid and abet child rapists. They're heroes. yardwork Jan 2012 #110

I don't believe in god, souls or sin. I do believe in mercy. Taverner Jan 2012 #81

But did he know full well about it? melissaf Jan 2012 #125

During which investigation Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #126

"Potentially another"? melissaf Jan 2012 #127

Wait, what? Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #128

If there's another investigation, melissaf Jan 2012 #180

Suggestion........regardless of your views please try and remain civil people. nt cstanleytech Jan 2012 #99

LOL. AngryOldDem Jan 2012 #103

I don't think most of us here would tiptoe anywhere near the moral abyss that "JoPa" found himself MADem Jan 2012 #132

Do "Most of Us Here" RobinA Jan 2012 #141

I do not think most people come close to what Paterno did obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #142

You Are Right RobinA Jan 2012 #153

No--the "babe in the woods" wasn't Paterno--it was that poor kid trapped underneath that Sandusky MADem Jan 2012 #161

If anyone has to "ask" themselves what they might do when a trusted employee comes MADem Jan 2012 #156

Are YOU fucking KIDDING me!? Vanje Jan 2012 #158

My thought, too obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #160

I've reported two child rapists in my career. No nuance, no grey area. I learned they were Critters2 Jan 2012 #179

I've mever enabled a chid rapist or hurt a child obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #137

Then You Know RobinA Jan 2012 #139

That's how I know they are black and white obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #143

Then I Question RobinA Jan 2012 #155

No! Vanje Jan 2012 #159

Other than my prior post I have largely stayed out of this thread because these types of threads cstanleytech Jan 2012 #191

Joe probably should have retired years back... MrMickeysMom Jan 2012 #129

This thread is interesting in how too seriously people take football. Guy Montag Jan 2012 #133

people involved in athletics can get just about the worst tunnel vision yurbud Jan 2012 #172

joe paterno-pedophile enabler solarman350 Jan 2012 #135

He's being given a state funeral obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #138

That is shocking! roody Jan 2012 #168

Penn STATE melissaf Jan 2012 #184

Judging By The Attitudes RobinA Jan 2012 #185

We know we are taking about Penn State and not the U of P obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #189

The University of Pennsylvanoa is in Philly obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #188

I hate to bash the dead but... BigD_95 Jan 2012 #147

I too am amazed that Paterno has a such a great reputation. beac Jan 2012 #154

There are days when I wish I believed in hell. kaitcat Jan 2012 #150

that guy laid a turd on his own obituary yurbud Jan 2012 #169

I'm not celebrating his death, but then again, I never celebrated his life Tom Ripley Jan 2012 #181