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freshwest

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38. Aw, Lindsey, quit with the Gog and Magog crap. We know it plays well, but STHU.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 04:29 PM
Apr 2013
Russia, Gog and Magog per the GOP idiots. Yup, let's go to war for the Gipper:

During the Cold War the idea (first advanced by Wilhelm Gesenius in the mid-1800s) that Russia itself had the role of Gog gained popularity (since Ezekiel's words describing him as "prince of Meshek" - rosh meshek in Hebrew - sounded suspiciously like Russia and Moscow).[8] This interpretation has been taken up by several Christian authors and preachers since then (such as Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth; Grant R. Jeffrey's Armageddon: Appointment with Destiny; M. R. De Haan's The Signs of the Times; Tim LaHaye's Are We Living in the End Times?).

The popularity of this theory during the Cold War can be seen in that it was openly advocated in 1971 by the then Governor of California, Ronald Reagan. During a dinner address to state legislators Reagan said "Ezekiel tells us that Gog, the nation that will lead all of the other powers of darkness against Israel, will come out of the north. Biblical scholars have been saying for generations that Gog must be Russia. What other powerful nation is to the north of Israel? None. But it didn’t seem to make sense before the Russian revolution, when Russia was a Christian country. Now it does, now that Russia has become Communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God. Now it fits the description of Gog perfectly."[44]

With the closing of the Cold War, some Christian thinkers who accepted this interpretation altered it after the fall of the Soviet Union (such as Pat Robertson who advocated it in his 1982 book The Secret Kingdom, but in 1992 suggested Gog was "Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Azerbaijan&quot .[45] Other Christian thinkers do not consider the fall of communism to have any relevance in maintaining their interpretation that Russia is Gog (such as Chuck Missler in his book Magog Invasion).

The biblical interpretation that Russia is Gog, is one that some Russians believe themselves according to historian Christopher Marsh. He writes "Russians and Ukrainians, [are] two peoples with a long history of looking to the Bible for clues to their past and future. At least as far back as the Primary Chronicle, the Rus' looked to scripture for such clues and found them from Genesis to Revelations. They were the descendants of Noah's third son, Japheth, giving themselves direct lineage to the diluvian period, and they were of the tribe of Magog (or Gog), in the land of Rosh. The implications of such identity as expressed in Revelations, where the Gog and Magog were both thrown out of heaven, apparently didn't matter to those drawing these lines. Ancestors were found in the Bible, and that was enough."[46]
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The Shrub tossed Gog and Magog into his sell for the Iraq War:

According to U.S. media reports, in the prelude to the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac that biblical prophecies were being fulfilled there and that "Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East." Bush said Gog and Magog would come from modern-day Iraq, and it was important to try and stop that.[47][48]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog

The world doesn't need any of the End Time scam that Lindsey, Beck, Jones and the media sell. Please, you guys just go play with yourself in a corner. We can't afford to indulge your crazy anymore.


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Wrong. nt Deep13 Apr 2013 #1
We can do better. Declare Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) an enemy combatant. Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #47
Lindsey Graham is a soft, plump little fascist demwing Apr 2013 #64
Yeah, but plump little Lindsey's got a medal pscot Apr 2013 #73
In other words, torture his ass. Right, Lindsey? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #2
Exactly My First Thought Too dballance Apr 2013 #19
If he's a US citizen, then he's entitled to the rights of a US citizen. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #3
I believe he became a naturalized citizen last fall. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #6
Then I'm not sure why he would be treated differently than, say, Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #15
Exactly. Li'l Lindsey is a lawyer and should know better. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #17
Even if he weren't, he would be entitled. The Constitution is a framework for the government, not NYC Liberal Apr 2013 #43
Food for thought, thank you. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #44
McCain's southern belle needs to be impeached for Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #4
What the fuck difference does it make, if you don't plan on vengeance torture. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #5
Loves him some war words, Lindsay Apr 2013 #7
And the slippery slope continues. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #8
WAY wrong .... Trajan Apr 2013 #9
That made me laugh! Thanks n/t Dan Ken Apr 2013 #41
Touche, Trajan Carolina Apr 2013 #65
No. He is a criminal. blackspade Apr 2013 #10
Is he calling for drones to be used against a u.s. citizen? bushisanidiot Apr 2013 #11
Well, we already shot the last one... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #12
No. He is a criminal and needs to be prosecuted in accordance with US and state law. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #13
Maybe he's in Lindsey's closet. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2013 #14
Some fool alerted this as being homophobic. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #46
So absurd to alert, gee whiz Carolina Apr 2013 #66
This is borderline anti-American, in my opinion. Jesus - we just can't start denying constitutional Hosnon Apr 2013 #16
Oh, it's way over the border. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #23
+++ that. After all, that guy Morton in Texas was 'really bad', until he wasn't. Shrike47 Apr 2013 #27
a usual (R) knee jerk, the second guy could be dead under some house from a gunshot wound/suicide Sunlei Apr 2013 #18
What a ghoul. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #20
Lindsey Graham timdog44 Apr 2013 #21
He's an American citizen on American soil. He committed a crime in America auburngrad82 Apr 2013 #22
did he feel the same about McVeigh, the abortion doctor killer ? the mass shooters ? JI7 Apr 2013 #24
It's a Republican trap! No way for Obama to win: Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #25
ah, just shut the fuck up already..... dhill926 Apr 2013 #26
Somebody has a hardon for torture Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #28
But he is now an Amercian citizen. Tx4obama Apr 2013 #29
Hell, Graham voted for indefinite detention in NDAA alp227 Apr 2013 #48
And now we see why he told people they will not get a lawyer and to just shut up.... Because once midnight Apr 2013 #79
Therefore he shouldn't. That was easy. n/t Orsino Apr 2013 #30
Fuck you, Lindsey - Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #31
Could somebody please waterboard Senator Stoopid?? lastlib Apr 2013 #32
Shut the FUCK up, Asshole. SoapBox Apr 2013 #33
The only thing Linsey gives a shit about is reminding everyone about fear and terror.. busterbrown Apr 2013 #34
The thought of torturing the guy hifiguy Apr 2013 #35
Lindsay should just shut the fuck up. Ellipsis Apr 2013 #36
Asshole. neverforget Apr 2013 #37
Aw, Lindsey, quit with the Gog and Magog crap. We know it plays well, but STHU. freshwest Apr 2013 #38
Couldn't we treat the Republicans as "enemy combattants"? Dan Ken Apr 2013 #39
Republicans want him DEAD so he can't speak or be analyzed. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #40
Sen Graham has a law degree lupulin Apr 2013 #42
I think the President should treat Lindsey Graham as an enemy combatant. olddad56 Apr 2013 #45
Obama should treat Graham as an enemy combatant. winter is coming Apr 2013 #49
Lindsey Graham should go fuck himself broadcaster75201 Apr 2013 #50
Lindsey, your buddy lost in 2008, no one cares what you think nt Progressive dog Apr 2013 #51
Linda, you tools are so eager to trash the constitution except NYtoBush-Drop Dead Apr 2013 #52
The people of Boston, and the rest of us, deserve to witness a civilian trial and conviction. MsPithy Apr 2013 #53
No this is a matter for the Boston PD, the FBI, and the court system where the .. Botany Apr 2013 #54
Lindsey Graham (R-Fabulous) is a moron. Joey Liberal Apr 2013 #55
One of Many!!! YOHABLO Apr 2013 #80
Lindsay Graham: Go to hell. alarimer Apr 2013 #56
Suspect: Obama Should Treat Lindsey Graham As 'Enemy Combatant' Wednesdays Apr 2013 #57
is he getting a bit daft in the head? madrchsod Apr 2013 #58
Fuck Graham Marrah_G Apr 2013 #59
Shut the FUCK UP, you ignorant closet queen! hatrack Apr 2013 #60
No need to insult gays. n/t JudyM Apr 2013 #62
Yes, he's an idiot.... Red Mountain Apr 2013 #61
He would say that. POS. Solly Mack Apr 2013 #63
Oh Lindsey you're soooooooooooooo butch ! olddots Apr 2013 #67
How about letting the Boston police and FBI take care of things Lindsey? Puzzler Apr 2013 #68
Lindsey (what kind of man is named Lindsey anyway??).... Swede Atlanta Apr 2013 #69
Somebody (braver than I) MurrayDelph Apr 2013 #70
piss on this turd. nt killbotfactory Apr 2013 #71
Sen. Lindsey Graham needs to do what he does best.......Nothing! GoldenOldie Apr 2013 #72
And what if others were involved and still at large? elias7 Apr 2013 #74
Which, as the US Attorney explained, the administration has done. No Miranda rights given. 24601 Apr 2013 #75
Shut up Lindsey. Who the fuck put you in charge? yellowcanine Apr 2013 #76
Treating him as an enemy combatant would have meant killing him when he shot at the officers. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #77
Per Pete Williams, the suspect will be tried in civilian court. Jennicut Apr 2013 #78
Who keeps electing McCain's toady anyway? Boomerproud Apr 2013 #81
Suspect is a US citizen. LisaL Apr 2013 #82
YEAH LINDSAY!!! AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BOMB RUSSIA!!! Crowman1979 Apr 2013 #83
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