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In reply to the discussion: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC): Obama Should Treat Suspect As ‘Enemy Combatant’ [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)38. Aw, Lindsey, quit with the Gog and Magog crap. We know it plays well, but STHU.
Russia, Gog and Magog per the GOP idiots. Yup, let's go to war for the Gipper:
During the Cold War the idea (first advanced by Wilhelm Gesenius in the mid-1800s) that Russia itself had the role of Gog gained popularity (since Ezekiel's words describing him as "prince of Meshek" - rosh meshek in Hebrew - sounded suspiciously like Russia and Moscow).[8] This interpretation has been taken up by several Christian authors and preachers since then (such as Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth; Grant R. Jeffrey's Armageddon: Appointment with Destiny; M. R. De Haan's The Signs of the Times; Tim LaHaye's Are We Living in the End Times?).
The popularity of this theory during the Cold War can be seen in that it was openly advocated in 1971 by the then Governor of California, Ronald Reagan. During a dinner address to state legislators Reagan said "Ezekiel tells us that Gog, the nation that will lead all of the other powers of darkness against Israel, will come out of the north. Biblical scholars have been saying for generations that Gog must be Russia. What other powerful nation is to the north of Israel? None. But it didnt seem to make sense before the Russian revolution, when Russia was a Christian country. Now it does, now that Russia has become Communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God. Now it fits the description of Gog perfectly."[44]
With the closing of the Cold War, some Christian thinkers who accepted this interpretation altered it after the fall of the Soviet Union (such as Pat Robertson who advocated it in his 1982 book The Secret Kingdom, but in 1992 suggested Gog was "Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Azerbaijan"
.[45] Other Christian thinkers do not consider the fall of communism to have any relevance in maintaining their interpretation that Russia is Gog (such as Chuck Missler in his book Magog Invasion).
The biblical interpretation that Russia is Gog, is one that some Russians believe themselves according to historian Christopher Marsh. He writes "Russians and Ukrainians, [are] two peoples with a long history of looking to the Bible for clues to their past and future. At least as far back as the Primary Chronicle, the Rus' looked to scripture for such clues and found them from Genesis to Revelations. They were the descendants of Noah's third son, Japheth, giving themselves direct lineage to the diluvian period, and they were of the tribe of Magog (or Gog), in the land of Rosh. The implications of such identity as expressed in Revelations, where the Gog and Magog were both thrown out of heaven, apparently didn't matter to those drawing these lines. Ancestors were found in the Bible, and that was enough."[46]
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The Shrub tossed Gog and Magog into his sell for the Iraq War:
According to U.S. media reports, in the prelude to the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac that biblical prophecies were being fulfilled there and that "Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East." Bush said Gog and Magog would come from modern-day Iraq, and it was important to try and stop that.[47][48]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog
The world doesn't need any of the End Time scam that Lindsey, Beck, Jones and the media sell. Please, you guys just go play with yourself in a corner. We can't afford to indulge your crazy anymore.
During the Cold War the idea (first advanced by Wilhelm Gesenius in the mid-1800s) that Russia itself had the role of Gog gained popularity (since Ezekiel's words describing him as "prince of Meshek" - rosh meshek in Hebrew - sounded suspiciously like Russia and Moscow).[8] This interpretation has been taken up by several Christian authors and preachers since then (such as Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth; Grant R. Jeffrey's Armageddon: Appointment with Destiny; M. R. De Haan's The Signs of the Times; Tim LaHaye's Are We Living in the End Times?).
The popularity of this theory during the Cold War can be seen in that it was openly advocated in 1971 by the then Governor of California, Ronald Reagan. During a dinner address to state legislators Reagan said "Ezekiel tells us that Gog, the nation that will lead all of the other powers of darkness against Israel, will come out of the north. Biblical scholars have been saying for generations that Gog must be Russia. What other powerful nation is to the north of Israel? None. But it didnt seem to make sense before the Russian revolution, when Russia was a Christian country. Now it does, now that Russia has become Communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God. Now it fits the description of Gog perfectly."[44]
With the closing of the Cold War, some Christian thinkers who accepted this interpretation altered it after the fall of the Soviet Union (such as Pat Robertson who advocated it in his 1982 book The Secret Kingdom, but in 1992 suggested Gog was "Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Azerbaijan"
The biblical interpretation that Russia is Gog, is one that some Russians believe themselves according to historian Christopher Marsh. He writes "Russians and Ukrainians, [are] two peoples with a long history of looking to the Bible for clues to their past and future. At least as far back as the Primary Chronicle, the Rus' looked to scripture for such clues and found them from Genesis to Revelations. They were the descendants of Noah's third son, Japheth, giving themselves direct lineage to the diluvian period, and they were of the tribe of Magog (or Gog), in the land of Rosh. The implications of such identity as expressed in Revelations, where the Gog and Magog were both thrown out of heaven, apparently didn't matter to those drawing these lines. Ancestors were found in the Bible, and that was enough."[46]
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The Shrub tossed Gog and Magog into his sell for the Iraq War:
According to U.S. media reports, in the prelude to the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac that biblical prophecies were being fulfilled there and that "Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East." Bush said Gog and Magog would come from modern-day Iraq, and it was important to try and stop that.[47][48]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog
The world doesn't need any of the End Time scam that Lindsey, Beck, Jones and the media sell. Please, you guys just go play with yourself in a corner. We can't afford to indulge your crazy anymore.
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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC): Obama Should Treat Suspect As ‘Enemy Combatant’ [View all]
DonViejo
Apr 2013
OP
If he's a US citizen, then he's entitled to the rights of a US citizen.
TwilightGardener
Apr 2013
#3
Then I'm not sure why he would be treated differently than, say, Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols.
TwilightGardener
Apr 2013
#15
Even if he weren't, he would be entitled. The Constitution is a framework for the government, not
NYC Liberal
Apr 2013
#43
What the fuck difference does it make, if you don't plan on vengeance torture.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#5
No. He is a criminal and needs to be prosecuted in accordance with US and state law.
kestrel91316
Apr 2013
#13
This is borderline anti-American, in my opinion. Jesus - we just can't start denying constitutional
Hosnon
Apr 2013
#16
+++ that. After all, that guy Morton in Texas was 'really bad', until he wasn't.
Shrike47
Apr 2013
#27
a usual (R) knee jerk, the second guy could be dead under some house from a gunshot wound/suicide
Sunlei
Apr 2013
#18
He's an American citizen on American soil. He committed a crime in America
auburngrad82
Apr 2013
#22
did he feel the same about McVeigh, the abortion doctor killer ? the mass shooters ?
JI7
Apr 2013
#24
And now we see why he told people they will not get a lawyer and to just shut up.... Because once
midnight
Apr 2013
#79
The only thing Linsey gives a shit about is reminding everyone about fear and terror..
busterbrown
Apr 2013
#34
Aw, Lindsey, quit with the Gog and Magog crap. We know it plays well, but STHU.
freshwest
Apr 2013
#38
The people of Boston, and the rest of us, deserve to witness a civilian trial and conviction.
MsPithy
Apr 2013
#53
No this is a matter for the Boston PD, the FBI, and the court system where the ..
Botany
Apr 2013
#54
Which, as the US Attorney explained, the administration has done. No Miranda rights given.
24601
Apr 2013
#75
Treating him as an enemy combatant would have meant killing him when he shot at the officers.
yellowcanine
Apr 2013
#77