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54. China isn't going to build them a refinery out of the goodness of their hearts.

Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:34 PM

Jul 2013

China isn't going to repair their fucked up oilfields for fun and games either. They're going to want a substantial cut, and the price might be steep for VZ.

They really are running out of options, though--and like I said, if they make a deal with China, China will get their money's worth. Make no mistake.

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Venezuela 'ends' bid to restore full US ties [View all] think Jul 2013 OP

K & R ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #1

I don't blame the Venezuelans Demeter Jul 2013 #2

Neither do I... Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #3

Fantastic timing, too, eh? dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #7

They'd better hope China steps up. nt MADem Jul 2013 #4

china is going to build a sea level shipping route through Nicaragua madrchsod Jul 2013 #12

Yes, I know those plans are in the works. But we don't own the Panama Canal anymore, so that isn't MADem Jul 2013 #23

You think China is incapable of building refineries? delrem Jul 2013 #26

Are you having trouble with the written word? Where did I EVER say such a thing? MADem Jul 2013 #28

So, you do think China is incapable of building refineries. delrem Jul 2013 #29

No, I did not say that--why are you being deliberately obtuse? What do you get out of that kind of MADem Jul 2013 #31

Then what's your point. Venezuela/China can do that *easily*. delrem Jul 2013 #32

Yes, they can. Of course, how "easy" it is depends on if Maduro sticks to agreements. MADem Jul 2013 #33

Yes, the US has a few problems dealing with a socialist democracy. delrem Jul 2013 #34

When a country makes an agreement, even a lousy one, they should either renegotiate or MADem Jul 2013 #35

Well played, MADem. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #36

I try to be civil....it's a discussion board, I try to "discuss," though sometimes it's not too easy MADem Jul 2013 #40

Thanks, Benton D Struckcheon. You're too cool. delrem Jul 2013 #47

No. Too many "agreements" are made under duress. delrem Jul 2013 #38

YES. As I said, you renegotiate...you don't "nationalize." MADem Jul 2013 #41

No it isn't. Venezuala's oil resources *are* nationalized. delrem Jul 2013 #44

China isn't going to build them a refinery out of the goodness of their hearts. MADem Jul 2013 #54

Who said anything about "goodness of hearts". sheee.... delrem Jul 2013 #56

I did--I said China wasn't going to build them one out of the goodness of their hearts. MADem Jul 2013 #57

Now you're just carping, saying nothing relevant to the OP, or to the subthread. delrem Jul 2013 #60

I'd say an alliance w/China after VZ breaks ties w/USA is entirely relevant to the OP. MADem Jul 2013 #61

give it a rest. delrem Jul 2013 #62

Allied as in they've been paying VZ's bills for the last few years? Loaning them money to make MADem Jul 2013 #63

oh oh. full stop. I'm seeing an incredibly intense hatred, here. No reasoning. delrem Jul 2013 #64

Miss Cleo, you need a new crystal ball...either that or your eyesight is failing. MADem Jul 2013 #65

ooooooooooooo...kay. delrem Jul 2013 #66

No. No. No. Saying "Waaaah, you hate..." is not a substitute for a response. MADem Jul 2013 #67

Better study up on our disgusting tar sands in Alberta. ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #42

I didn't know that. I learned quite a bit in this thread. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #43

I was talking about offers that are on the table. delrem Jul 2013 #45

OK - let me make it clearer ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #48

I agree. delrem Jul 2013 #50

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #5

It's really sad Obama is continuing the Bush policy of unnecessary hostility toward Venezuela. reformist2 Jul 2013 #6

Shhhhhh! We're not allowed to note such hypocrisies bread_and_roses Jul 2013 #8

We've always been at war with Eastasia. n/t denverbill Jul 2013 #9

Yep. So another in a long list of sads. tblue Jul 2013 #46

Oh yeah, Venezuela should be the priority. another_liberal Jul 2013 #10

does that include china? madrchsod Jul 2013 #11

USA? DeSwiss Jul 2013 #58

That's hilarious. "crackdown on civil society". Big Brother is watching you. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #13

Sadly...I watched her giving her comments.. KoKo Jul 2013 #14

We have to assume that this is all approved Hydra Jul 2013 #16

The article itself says that her comments are quite different in tone and content from Kerry's karynnj Jul 2013 #24

You have to assume that she's expressing the administration's position. Beacool Jul 2013 #53

Hissy fit. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #15

I know, quite a big one from the US lately Hydra Jul 2013 #17

You must not understand the definition geek tragedy Jul 2013 #18

The US is indeed having a worldwide hissy fit at the moment Hydra Jul 2013 #20

If you call this kind of attention-seeking temper tantrum 'logical' geek tragedy Jul 2013 #21

Here we go again..... delrem Jul 2013 #27

“I would never apologize for America,” Powers said repeatedly. “America is the light to the world.” Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #19

Point of fact, Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #37

IMO, your example points out why...... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #59

The facade that is America, dotymed Jul 2013 #22

This is not the Samantha Power I remember. ReRe Jul 2013 #25

The video of her delivering her comments in Post #19 KoKo Jul 2013 #68

Since Venuzuela has been a great supporting country to the USA I just dont see how we are going to Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #30

Did not Hugo Shavez give discounted or free heating oil to the poor in the USA? ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #49

The global corporatists are furious because Maduro won't allow them to wantonly rape the country and Zorra Jul 2013 #39

Now I won't sleep a wink all night KinMd Jul 2013 #51

Your response reminds me of an old joke - - ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #55

Caught this post on John Kerry's actions towards Venezuela. go west young man Jul 2013 #52