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MADem

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57. I did--I said China wasn't going to build them one out of the goodness of their hearts.

Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:09 PM

Jul 2013

They are going to WANT something in return, and the deal might not be terribly sweet, but VZ is up against it, because their oil is hard to refine, they've no money, and their economy is in absolute, inflation-ridden, no-goods-on-the-shelves, shambles.

If China takes them on, they are going to expect and insist upon a great deal for their trouble, make no mistake. VZ might just have to eat a less than optimal deal, because that's the best one they're gonna get.

Why that is such a complicated concept, I've no idea.

Have one of those nice days.

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K & R ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #1

I don't blame the Venezuelans Demeter Jul 2013 #2

Neither do I... Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #3

Fantastic timing, too, eh? dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #7

They'd better hope China steps up. nt MADem Jul 2013 #4

china is going to build a sea level shipping route through Nicaragua madrchsod Jul 2013 #12

Yes, I know those plans are in the works. But we don't own the Panama Canal anymore, so that isn't MADem Jul 2013 #23

You think China is incapable of building refineries? delrem Jul 2013 #26

Are you having trouble with the written word? Where did I EVER say such a thing? MADem Jul 2013 #28

So, you do think China is incapable of building refineries. delrem Jul 2013 #29

No, I did not say that--why are you being deliberately obtuse? What do you get out of that kind of MADem Jul 2013 #31

Then what's your point. Venezuela/China can do that *easily*. delrem Jul 2013 #32

Yes, they can. Of course, how "easy" it is depends on if Maduro sticks to agreements. MADem Jul 2013 #33

Yes, the US has a few problems dealing with a socialist democracy. delrem Jul 2013 #34

When a country makes an agreement, even a lousy one, they should either renegotiate or MADem Jul 2013 #35

Well played, MADem. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #36

I try to be civil....it's a discussion board, I try to "discuss," though sometimes it's not too easy MADem Jul 2013 #40

Thanks, Benton D Struckcheon. You're too cool. delrem Jul 2013 #47

No. Too many "agreements" are made under duress. delrem Jul 2013 #38

YES. As I said, you renegotiate...you don't "nationalize." MADem Jul 2013 #41

No it isn't. Venezuala's oil resources *are* nationalized. delrem Jul 2013 #44

China isn't going to build them a refinery out of the goodness of their hearts. MADem Jul 2013 #54

Who said anything about "goodness of hearts". sheee.... delrem Jul 2013 #56

I did--I said China wasn't going to build them one out of the goodness of their hearts. MADem Jul 2013 #57

Now you're just carping, saying nothing relevant to the OP, or to the subthread. delrem Jul 2013 #60

I'd say an alliance w/China after VZ breaks ties w/USA is entirely relevant to the OP. MADem Jul 2013 #61

give it a rest. delrem Jul 2013 #62

Allied as in they've been paying VZ's bills for the last few years? Loaning them money to make MADem Jul 2013 #63

oh oh. full stop. I'm seeing an incredibly intense hatred, here. No reasoning. delrem Jul 2013 #64

Miss Cleo, you need a new crystal ball...either that or your eyesight is failing. MADem Jul 2013 #65

ooooooooooooo...kay. delrem Jul 2013 #66

No. No. No. Saying "Waaaah, you hate..." is not a substitute for a response. MADem Jul 2013 #67

Better study up on our disgusting tar sands in Alberta. ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #42

I didn't know that. I learned quite a bit in this thread. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #43

I was talking about offers that are on the table. delrem Jul 2013 #45

OK - let me make it clearer ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #48

I agree. delrem Jul 2013 #50

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #5

It's really sad Obama is continuing the Bush policy of unnecessary hostility toward Venezuela. reformist2 Jul 2013 #6

Shhhhhh! We're not allowed to note such hypocrisies bread_and_roses Jul 2013 #8

We've always been at war with Eastasia. n/t denverbill Jul 2013 #9

Yep. So another in a long list of sads. tblue Jul 2013 #46

Oh yeah, Venezuela should be the priority. another_liberal Jul 2013 #10

does that include china? madrchsod Jul 2013 #11

USA? DeSwiss Jul 2013 #58

That's hilarious. "crackdown on civil society". Big Brother is watching you. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #13

Sadly...I watched her giving her comments.. KoKo Jul 2013 #14

We have to assume that this is all approved Hydra Jul 2013 #16

The article itself says that her comments are quite different in tone and content from Kerry's karynnj Jul 2013 #24

You have to assume that she's expressing the administration's position. Beacool Jul 2013 #53

Hissy fit. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #15

I know, quite a big one from the US lately Hydra Jul 2013 #17

You must not understand the definition geek tragedy Jul 2013 #18

The US is indeed having a worldwide hissy fit at the moment Hydra Jul 2013 #20

If you call this kind of attention-seeking temper tantrum 'logical' geek tragedy Jul 2013 #21

Here we go again..... delrem Jul 2013 #27

“I would never apologize for America,” Powers said repeatedly. “America is the light to the world.” Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #19

Point of fact, Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #37

IMO, your example points out why...... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #59

The facade that is America, dotymed Jul 2013 #22

This is not the Samantha Power I remember. ReRe Jul 2013 #25

The video of her delivering her comments in Post #19 KoKo Jul 2013 #68

Since Venuzuela has been a great supporting country to the USA I just dont see how we are going to Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #30

Did not Hugo Shavez give discounted or free heating oil to the poor in the USA? ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #49

The global corporatists are furious because Maduro won't allow them to wantonly rape the country and Zorra Jul 2013 #39

Now I won't sleep a wink all night KinMd Jul 2013 #51

Your response reminds me of an old joke - - ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #55

Caught this post on John Kerry's actions towards Venezuela. go west young man Jul 2013 #52