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17. Training future DUers. n/t

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Wed May 7, 2014, 11:54 AM

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California School District Under Fire for Holocaust-Denial Assignment [View all] AScott May 2014 OP

Sure, Cliven Bundy isn't a racist either. Just ask him. Major Nikon May 2014 #1

How bizarrre and repugnant..no one in authority looking at this long before it was assigned Jefferson23 May 2014 #2

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Bullshit. n/t Jefferson23 May 2014 #4

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Ridiculous assumption on your part..conservatives don't like students being taught to think? Jefferson23 May 2014 #15

I imagine many other benign issues may have been used... LanternWaste May 2014 #25

Yup... a way of teaching critical thinking whistler162 May 2014 #8

I agree with you. No topic should be sacrosanct. And it would be a great totodeinhere May 2014 #10

Would you support "rape: should it be legalized" or "were blacks geek tragedy May 2014 #16

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Simple: treat Holocaust deniers like the moral and intellectual lepers they are. geek tragedy May 2014 #21

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holocuast denial is bigotry, one does not debate bigotry, one simply rejects it. geek tragedy May 2014 #31

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you seem unable to distinguish between legitimate topics of debate and illegitimate geek tragedy May 2014 #40

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well, you go ahead and encourage your kids to keep an open mind geek tragedy May 2014 #44

There absolutely are topics that have no legitimate debate. NuclearDem May 2014 #47

No, just don't elevate Antisemitism and white supremacy to the level of legitimate counterpoint. NuclearDem May 2014 #42

Kids will hang out sulphurdunn May 2014 #79

the problem is that the Rialto school district was explicitly telling geek tragedy May 2014 #80

Treating something like the Holocaust as having two *legitimate* views is the problem. NuclearDem May 2014 #30

They instructed the children to go to an anti-Semetic hate site for information. AScott May 2014 #38

Ugh. Someone needs to be fired for that. geek tragedy May 2014 #41

Death Threats - now that's a good way to express a contrary opinion about a controversial subject groundloop May 2014 #5

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What are you implying? That someone with a Muslim sounding name totodeinhere May 2014 #11

Did you read the article? DreamGypsy May 2014 #18

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Your point being? herding cats May 2014 #34

I think we all know. NuclearDem May 2014 #36

They're a terrible dancer. herding cats May 2014 #46

What does that have to do with the OP? Lady Freedom Returns May 2014 #37

This is so bizarre as to be beyond comprehension. MicaelS May 2014 #7

But the school was asking the students to investigate the topic and then write an essay about totodeinhere May 2014 #13

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They are 8th. graders! Lady Freedom Returns May 2014 #39

should we teach kids to engage critical thinking about gravity geek tragedy May 2014 #45

As 8th graders, this may be the first time they've even heard of The Holocaust. AScott May 2014 #49

And what about those students who "prove" the Holocaust was a hoax? Behind the Aegis May 2014 #51

They can't prove that it didn't happen because it's a historical fact. So yes totodeinhere May 2014 #83

you won't second guess teaching kids that holocaust denial is 'credible'? nt geek tragedy May 2014 #87

Nobody said that. I suspect that part of the project was allowing the students totodeinhere May 2014 #89

Did you read the actual assignment? It starts off with a LIE: geek tragedy May 2014 #92

Blame Augiedog May 2014 #9

The language in the assignment is directly drawn from hate groups. geek tragedy May 2014 #14

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sure you can. by teaching kids that anyone who denies the holocaust geek tragedy May 2014 #27

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nice false equivalence there. your slip may be showing geek tragedy May 2014 #32

+1 wickerwoman May 2014 #64

How do you teach them how to identify that, if you hide it away? Scootaloo May 2014 #65

It's actually pretty simple geek tragedy May 2014 #66

Interesting that you bring up Abraham Lincoln... Scootaloo May 2014 #68

sure, just like people should be exposed to different perspectives geek tragedy May 2014 #70

See my post, two prior Scootaloo May 2014 #71

their arguments were all discredited and disproven decades ago geek tragedy May 2014 #73

But you won't know that unless you are informed about them Scootaloo May 2014 #74

The problem is that if you start trying to disprove every lie from geek tragedy May 2014 #75

It does, actually Scootaloo May 2014 #77

It's really not complicated. You teach children the truth about the holocaust, and then geek tragedy May 2014 #78

And yet there's no shortage of denialism in Eurooe and North America Scootaloo May 2014 #81

No, it's argument from facts. The Holocaust happened, the earth is spherical, geek tragedy May 2014 #82

The earth isn't spherical, actually Scootaloo May 2014 #84

the school district wasn't challenging denialism, it was geek tragedy May 2014 #86

Except for the whole "critical thinking and argumentative writing assignment" feature Scootaloo May 2014 #90

they told the kids that Neo-Nazi propaganda was 'credible' geek tragedy May 2014 #91

Training future DUers. n/t jtuck004 May 2014 #17

Aristotle said "the mark of an educated mind is to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it The Green Manalishi May 2014 #20

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When I was in 8th grade in the late 70's, we had to take sides debating the single bullet theory. arcane1 May 2014 #24

How did you conclude "this was an attempt to show students how to debunk BS"? Behind the Aegis May 2014 #50

Because that's how it was presented, and the ADA agrees. arcane1 May 2014 #52

Except students were told that a Nazi website geek tragedy May 2014 #53

That's why I used the word "stupid" arcane1 May 2014 #55

But, could an adult who doesn't hate Jews have read that site geek tragedy May 2014 #56

Maybe, I don't know. I haven't visited the site. arcane1 May 2014 #57

It was present as "Is the Holocaust a hoax?" Some people say.... Behind the Aegis May 2014 #54

I take it "writing prompt" is Golden Raisin May 2014 #48

freethinking is freethinking rafeh1 May 2014 #58

The Holocaust is not open to questioning. NuclearDem May 2014 #61

Notice how stuff like "the revolutionary war" geek tragedy May 2014 #63

Everything is open to questioning Scootaloo May 2014 #67

"Open to questioning" is often just used as code to get PRATT introduced as legitimate ideas. NuclearDem May 2014 #72

As I tell geek upthread, it's not a situation of "happened or no" Scootaloo May 2014 #76

free thinking is not easy rafeh1 May 2014 #95

Oh, brother. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #59

Not only was the topic highly questionable Blue_Tires May 2014 #60

Holocaust School Assignment Sheet Included Text Lifted From Holocaust Denial Website geek tragedy May 2014 #62

What is their next assignment - did 9-11 really happen - discuss? kiranon May 2014 #96

i hope the bigot who made this assignment is fired. hopemountain May 2014 #69

From the ADL statement on this matter. totodeinhere May 2014 #85

they were being awfully kind and gracious nt geek tragedy May 2014 #88

Plato informs us: DeSwiss May 2014 #93

"when you do participate and you still end up being governed by them" FiveGoodMen May 2014 #94