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In reply to the discussion: California School District Under Fire for Holocaust-Denial Assignment [View all]Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)71. See my post, two prior
Seriously, look at what I say there.
Presenting the caricature of some skinhead doofus in an SS uniform yelling "NOTHING HAPPENED!" actually defeats the effort - there's very little of that, and such people are easily shut down and ignored.
Instead you get places that make "counter-arguments" - it was typhus. it was only because the allies bombed railroads. look what the soviets did. it was a delousing agent. There was a swimming pool. The Germans were ethnically cleaned too after the war. The numbers are inflated. It's used as propaganda. Etc., etc. There's very little denial that "something" happened - the denial comes in with what happened in particular, and what it means.
Instead you get places that make "counter-arguments" - it was typhus. it was only because the allies bombed railroads. look what the soviets did. it was a delousing agent. There was a swimming pool. The Germans were ethnically cleaned too after the war. The numbers are inflated. It's used as propaganda. Etc., etc. There's very little denial that "something" happened - the denial comes in with what happened in particular, and what it means.
You are frankly arguing against a straw man, some clown running around with a placard saying "there was no Holocaust!" While such clowns probably exist, they aren't what's actually going on when talking of Holocaust denialism. Your comparison to some imaginary person denying that Abraham Lincoln was president is facetious.
Rather than an outright denial, Holocaust deniers seek to cast doubt on what they call 'the official story.' They have a suite of facts of their own, counter-arguments, positions, a lot of stuff. And to refute their claims, you have to actually know those claims. Not doing so, pretending they're not there... just lets them take root. You've got to drag them out into the light and beat the hell out of them with reality.
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How bizarrre and repugnant..no one in authority looking at this long before it was assigned
Jefferson23
May 2014
#2
Ridiculous assumption on your part..conservatives don't like students being taught to think?
Jefferson23
May 2014
#15
Simple: treat Holocaust deniers like the moral and intellectual lepers they are.
geek tragedy
May 2014
#21
holocuast denial is bigotry, one does not debate bigotry, one simply rejects it.
geek tragedy
May 2014
#31
you seem unable to distinguish between legitimate topics of debate and illegitimate
geek tragedy
May 2014
#40
No, just don't elevate Antisemitism and white supremacy to the level of legitimate counterpoint.
NuclearDem
May 2014
#42
Treating something like the Holocaust as having two *legitimate* views is the problem.
NuclearDem
May 2014
#30
They instructed the children to go to an anti-Semetic hate site for information.
AScott
May 2014
#38
Death Threats - now that's a good way to express a contrary opinion about a controversial subject
groundloop
May 2014
#5
But the school was asking the students to investigate the topic and then write an essay about
totodeinhere
May 2014
#13
They can't prove that it didn't happen because it's a historical fact. So yes
totodeinhere
May 2014
#83
you won't second guess teaching kids that holocaust denial is 'credible'? nt
geek tragedy
May 2014
#87
Nobody said that. I suspect that part of the project was allowing the students
totodeinhere
May 2014
#89
It's really not complicated. You teach children the truth about the holocaust, and then
geek tragedy
May 2014
#78
No, it's argument from facts. The Holocaust happened, the earth is spherical,
geek tragedy
May 2014
#82
Except for the whole "critical thinking and argumentative writing assignment" feature
Scootaloo
May 2014
#90
Aristotle said "the mark of an educated mind is to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it
The Green Manalishi
May 2014
#20
When I was in 8th grade in the late 70's, we had to take sides debating the single bullet theory.
arcane1
May 2014
#24
How did you conclude "this was an attempt to show students how to debunk BS"?
Behind the Aegis
May 2014
#50
"Open to questioning" is often just used as code to get PRATT introduced as legitimate ideas.
NuclearDem
May 2014
#72
Holocaust School Assignment Sheet Included Text Lifted From Holocaust Denial Website
geek tragedy
May 2014
#62