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rafeh1

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95. free thinking is not easy

Thu May 8, 2014, 03:58 PM

May 2014

IT scares many people. We need to have structure around freethink and that is called facts and science.

a freethinker can claim balls fall up. The kids should be taught how to get facts how to verify facts and how to present facts so that at the end of the day one is back down to earth with known verifiable facts and process of extracting facts rather than FOX said it or some nazi web site said it.

the facts of the holocaust are unshakable from witness to film to actual survivors. So In fact doing freethink on Holocaust is actually very good since there is so much verifiable facts of its occurrence. If Kids do not freethink then inevitably some will drift into fox orbit believing anything FOX claims while some others will drift into holocaust denial websites. Freethink is hard and ugly but very much needed.

Freethinking is not just about God, Jesus and Bible it should encompass everything is our lives. And after every year we need to freethink everything over again.

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California School District Under Fire for Holocaust-Denial Assignment [View all] AScott May 2014 OP

Sure, Cliven Bundy isn't a racist either. Just ask him. Major Nikon May 2014 #1

How bizarrre and repugnant..no one in authority looking at this long before it was assigned Jefferson23 May 2014 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton May 2014 #3

Bullshit. n/t Jefferson23 May 2014 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton May 2014 #12

Ridiculous assumption on your part..conservatives don't like students being taught to think? Jefferson23 May 2014 #15

I imagine many other benign issues may have been used... LanternWaste May 2014 #25

Yup... a way of teaching critical thinking whistler162 May 2014 #8

I agree with you. No topic should be sacrosanct. And it would be a great totodeinhere May 2014 #10

Would you support "rape: should it be legalized" or "were blacks geek tragedy May 2014 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton May 2014 #19

Simple: treat Holocaust deniers like the moral and intellectual lepers they are. geek tragedy May 2014 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton May 2014 #28

holocuast denial is bigotry, one does not debate bigotry, one simply rejects it. geek tragedy May 2014 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton May 2014 #35

you seem unable to distinguish between legitimate topics of debate and illegitimate geek tragedy May 2014 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton May 2014 #43

well, you go ahead and encourage your kids to keep an open mind geek tragedy May 2014 #44

There absolutely are topics that have no legitimate debate. NuclearDem May 2014 #47

No, just don't elevate Antisemitism and white supremacy to the level of legitimate counterpoint. NuclearDem May 2014 #42

Kids will hang out sulphurdunn May 2014 #79

the problem is that the Rialto school district was explicitly telling geek tragedy May 2014 #80

Treating something like the Holocaust as having two *legitimate* views is the problem. NuclearDem May 2014 #30

They instructed the children to go to an anti-Semetic hate site for information. AScott May 2014 #38

Ugh. Someone needs to be fired for that. geek tragedy May 2014 #41

Death Threats - now that's a good way to express a contrary opinion about a controversial subject groundloop May 2014 #5

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #6

What are you implying? That someone with a Muslim sounding name totodeinhere May 2014 #11

Did you read the article? DreamGypsy May 2014 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #26

Your point being? herding cats May 2014 #34

I think we all know. NuclearDem May 2014 #36

They're a terrible dancer. herding cats May 2014 #46

What does that have to do with the OP? Lady Freedom Returns May 2014 #37

This is so bizarre as to be beyond comprehension. MicaelS May 2014 #7

But the school was asking the students to investigate the topic and then write an essay about totodeinhere May 2014 #13

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #33

They are 8th. graders! Lady Freedom Returns May 2014 #39

should we teach kids to engage critical thinking about gravity geek tragedy May 2014 #45

As 8th graders, this may be the first time they've even heard of The Holocaust. AScott May 2014 #49

And what about those students who "prove" the Holocaust was a hoax? Behind the Aegis May 2014 #51

They can't prove that it didn't happen because it's a historical fact. So yes totodeinhere May 2014 #83

you won't second guess teaching kids that holocaust denial is 'credible'? nt geek tragedy May 2014 #87

Nobody said that. I suspect that part of the project was allowing the students totodeinhere May 2014 #89

Did you read the actual assignment? It starts off with a LIE: geek tragedy May 2014 #92

Blame Augiedog May 2014 #9

The language in the assignment is directly drawn from hate groups. geek tragedy May 2014 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton May 2014 #23

sure you can. by teaching kids that anyone who denies the holocaust geek tragedy May 2014 #27

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nice false equivalence there. your slip may be showing geek tragedy May 2014 #32

+1 wickerwoman May 2014 #64

How do you teach them how to identify that, if you hide it away? Scootaloo May 2014 #65

It's actually pretty simple geek tragedy May 2014 #66

Interesting that you bring up Abraham Lincoln... Scootaloo May 2014 #68

sure, just like people should be exposed to different perspectives geek tragedy May 2014 #70

See my post, two prior Scootaloo May 2014 #71

their arguments were all discredited and disproven decades ago geek tragedy May 2014 #73

But you won't know that unless you are informed about them Scootaloo May 2014 #74

The problem is that if you start trying to disprove every lie from geek tragedy May 2014 #75

It does, actually Scootaloo May 2014 #77

It's really not complicated. You teach children the truth about the holocaust, and then geek tragedy May 2014 #78

And yet there's no shortage of denialism in Eurooe and North America Scootaloo May 2014 #81

No, it's argument from facts. The Holocaust happened, the earth is spherical, geek tragedy May 2014 #82

The earth isn't spherical, actually Scootaloo May 2014 #84

the school district wasn't challenging denialism, it was geek tragedy May 2014 #86

Except for the whole "critical thinking and argumentative writing assignment" feature Scootaloo May 2014 #90

they told the kids that Neo-Nazi propaganda was 'credible' geek tragedy May 2014 #91

Training future DUers. n/t jtuck004 May 2014 #17

Aristotle said "the mark of an educated mind is to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it The Green Manalishi May 2014 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author santamargarita May 2014 #22

When I was in 8th grade in the late 70's, we had to take sides debating the single bullet theory. arcane1 May 2014 #24

How did you conclude "this was an attempt to show students how to debunk BS"? Behind the Aegis May 2014 #50

Because that's how it was presented, and the ADA agrees. arcane1 May 2014 #52

Except students were told that a Nazi website geek tragedy May 2014 #53

That's why I used the word "stupid" arcane1 May 2014 #55

But, could an adult who doesn't hate Jews have read that site geek tragedy May 2014 #56

Maybe, I don't know. I haven't visited the site. arcane1 May 2014 #57

It was present as "Is the Holocaust a hoax?" Some people say.... Behind the Aegis May 2014 #54

I take it "writing prompt" is Golden Raisin May 2014 #48

freethinking is freethinking rafeh1 May 2014 #58

The Holocaust is not open to questioning. NuclearDem May 2014 #61

Notice how stuff like "the revolutionary war" geek tragedy May 2014 #63

Everything is open to questioning Scootaloo May 2014 #67

"Open to questioning" is often just used as code to get PRATT introduced as legitimate ideas. NuclearDem May 2014 #72

As I tell geek upthread, it's not a situation of "happened or no" Scootaloo May 2014 #76

free thinking is not easy rafeh1 May 2014 #95

Oh, brother. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #59

Not only was the topic highly questionable Blue_Tires May 2014 #60

Holocaust School Assignment Sheet Included Text Lifted From Holocaust Denial Website geek tragedy May 2014 #62

What is their next assignment - did 9-11 really happen - discuss? kiranon May 2014 #96

i hope the bigot who made this assignment is fired. hopemountain May 2014 #69

From the ADL statement on this matter. totodeinhere May 2014 #85

they were being awfully kind and gracious nt geek tragedy May 2014 #88

Plato informs us: DeSwiss May 2014 #93

"when you do participate and you still end up being governed by them" FiveGoodMen May 2014 #94