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newthinking

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17. Did you read the history yet?
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:18 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:14 AM - Edit history (1)

I will post it again.

These are not debatable facts. This is the history. In my opinion there should eventually be a replay of the vote with international monitors to settle it. But the narrative is extremely political and ignorant of what really happened. The referendum was called not by Putin; it was actually called by the legitimate (voted in) duma of Crimea (they still had their own parliment). There were not guns all over the street intimidating people. The situation on the ground was less intimidating than the Ukraine election a couple of months ago. It was an emotional and indeed fearful period, but Crimeans were not afraid at all of the Russian presence.


Under "Ukraine Period" Heading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_background_of_the_2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine

This was followed by a 1992 vote by the Crimean parliament to hold a referendum on independence from Ukraine, which spawned a two-year crisis over the status of Crimea. At the same time, the State Duma of the Russian Federation voted to void the cession of Crimea to Ukraine. In June of the same year, the Ukrainian government in Kiev voted to give Crimea a large amount autonomy as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea within Ukraine. Despite this, fighting between the Crimean government, Russian government, and Ukrainian government continued. In 1994, Russian nationalist Yuri Meshkov won the 1994 Crimean presidential election, and implemented the earlier approved referendum on the status of Crimea. 1.3 million people voted in this referendum, 78.4% of whom supported greater autonomy from Ukraine, whilst 82.8% supported allowing dual Russian-Ukrainian citizenship. Later in that same year, the status of Crimea as part of Ukraine was recognised by Russia, which pledged to uphold the territorial integrity of Ukraine in the Budapest Memorandum. This treaty was also signed by the United States, United Kingdom, and France. Ukraine revoked the Constitution of Crimea and abolished the office of President of Crimea in 1995. Crimea was granted a new constitution in 1998, which granted lesser autonomy than the previous one.

well, with the mideast wars winding down, time to gin up new threats, or recycle old ones. KG Dec 2014 #1
of course they are Bosonic Dec 2014 #2
Vlad the Liar davidpdx Dec 2014 #19
Translation: The Russian Economy Is Tanking n/t DallasNE Dec 2014 #3
Yeah but we love those gas prices . . . n/t Spooky69 Dec 2014 #4
...so useless your economy's in a nose dive. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #5
Methinks the tovarishchi are protesting too much DFW Dec 2014 #6
Sucks to be you Vlad. Maybe next time you'll try an honest, open election before you lay claim to okaawhatever Dec 2014 #7
Only if you ignore reality and history-UKRAINE ANNEXED Crimea against the will of the people newthinking Dec 2014 #9
Wow, that's a creative interpretation of history. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #10
Do your research. I am not going to do it for you newthinking Dec 2014 #11
Here's what the historical facts are: NuclearDem Dec 2014 #12
Who's version is creative lol?? newthinking Dec 2014 #14
Your "version" is a nationalistic one justifying an invasion of a sovereign country. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #15
Did you read the history yet? newthinking Dec 2014 #17
First up, history major. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #18
SO, just to be clear, you SUPPORT a nation seizing and annexing part of another nation... Adrahil Dec 2014 #22
No, I abhor the innacurate angry narrative that avoids the complexity newthinking Dec 2014 #27
Yes, yes... It's all the nasty West's fault... Adrahil Dec 2014 #28
Depth in mass journalism is gone. Here is a link to a wikipedia page newthinking Dec 2014 #13
Bookmarking for a few weeks later. :-| n/t DeSwiss Dec 2014 #8
Useless? Ryan Fitzomething Dec 2014 #16
Sure they are useful. roamer65 Dec 2014 #20
They are useless... Xolodno Dec 2014 #21
So which is it? Adrahil Dec 2014 #23
Thought the implication was obvious... Xolodno Dec 2014 #24
OK. I don't agree, but I do understand your position now. n/t Adrahil Dec 2014 #25
Every country has their own Baghdad Bob, I suppose. BillZBubb Dec 2014 #26
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