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106. The police are not the military, and political opposition is not mutiny or insubordination.

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 02:49 AM

Dec 2014

The mayor is not the commander-in-chief. In fact, the police work for the city and take orders from the police commissioner, not the mayor. Even in the military, a soldier is entitled to certain due process and the protections of the UCMJ, and the president cannot arbitrarily discharge any service member, no less dishonorably with loss of pension and benefits.

Police officers are public employees like any other, and entitled to the same constitutional and labor law protections. Their relationship to the city and the nature, type and extent of available discipline are also governed contractually by a union collective bargaining agreement.

The police and their unions (and, quite frankly, all other city employees) fight regularly and viciously with the mayors of every administration, particularly when contracts are renegotiated as they are now, although some (political) battles are far worse than others. Our democracy and republic have endured, and to date, no mayors have been forceably deposed. Until such time as the police collectively remove the mayor by force of arms without judicial sanction, the military analogies are simply ludicrous.

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'DE BLASIO, OUR BACKS HAVE TURNED TO YOU' Cold war between NYPD cops, de Blasio takes to skies [View all] 1step Dec 2014 OP

NYPD have openly declared war against the citizenry, with this move villager Dec 2014 #1

Someone should call the po--wait. 1step Dec 2014 #4

Police officers need to be told by their superiors that they have to respect civil authority JDPriestly Dec 2014 #18

That's good stuff THECHOSEN1 Dec 2014 #110

I did a lot of research on speech rights at one time. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #125

This is a true statement...Obama should send in the fucking army randys1 Dec 2014 #126

with their backs turned at least they cannot murder anyone standing in front of them nt msongs Dec 2014 #2

The cops are acting like spoiled rotten brats who have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #3

How mature. n/t inanna Dec 2014 #5

This may backfire BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #6

'Cause it stinks like Guiliani. Cha Dec 2014 #102

Yeah I saw that BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #113

Pretty thin skinned bunch. Any profession should be Laurian Dec 2014 #7

cops suck blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #20

Such arrogance. De Blasio is the elected leader of New York City. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #8

Obama is the twice-elected POTUS 1step Dec 2014 #10

That elements of the NYPD are being publicly insubordinate True Blue Door Dec 2014 #11

And that's why this could be dangerous 1step Dec 2014 #13

That's not the federal analog at all. branford Dec 2014 #23

DeBlasio is the police commissioner's boss. geek tragedy Dec 2014 #27

Then the mayor can fire the police commissioner, branford Dec 2014 #28

I can't think of another union that demands that geek tragedy Dec 2014 #46

Although I certainly do not agree with their positions, branford Dec 2014 #47

And as a public school teacher, if I turned my back on my superintendent adigal Dec 2014 #76

All that would be is a reflection of incompetence by your union. branford Dec 2014 #82

What's your deal here? Have you ever met a shooting by a cop you didn't like? adigal Dec 2014 #86

You've obviously have not carefully read my posts in this or other threads. branford Dec 2014 #90

Gee, to you think the Police Union's power..... daleanime Dec 2014 #108

Cops are the protectors and enforcers of the Capitalist Class... Odin2005 Dec 2014 #117

Those are not the union's demands. whathehell Dec 2014 #115

The union has a long, sordid history of defending corruption and geek tragedy Dec 2014 #122

I'm all in favor of the police being able to say what they think here. Leopolds Ghost Dec 2014 #40

In light of the proclaimed "ceasefire" between the unions and mayor, branford Dec 2014 #48

Blah Blah Blah billhicks76 Dec 2014 #54

The police first worry about the police. That's unsurprising. branford Dec 2014 #58

They Say They Don't Make The Laws billhicks76 Dec 2014 #65

Your broad generalizations about hundreds of thousands of police officers nationwide branford Dec 2014 #67

I Used To Like Police billhicks76 Dec 2014 #109

All police are BY DEFINITION the enforcing arm of the ruling class. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #118

Scott Walker was elected three times THECHOSEN1 Dec 2014 #111

Idiots and I blame Union Officials who have led busterbrown Dec 2014 #9

At this point, when the right wingers start to go after their pensions adigal Dec 2014 #78

If police pensions were no longer sacrosanct, branford Dec 2014 #85

The police are NOT popular...repeating it doesn't work here adigal Dec 2014 #87

Fortunately in this country, christx30 Dec 2014 #91

This is beginning to sound like a banana republic situation...open contempt for civilian authority.. First Speaker Dec 2014 #12

The word "coup" has been floating through my mind lately. SwankyXomb Dec 2014 #37

You can imagine how they react if a mere civilian nobody is disrespectful to them. arcane1 Dec 2014 #14

Free speech should be protected. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #15

These idiots really believe they are irreplaceable. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #16

Insurrection. Blue_In_AK Dec 2014 #17

Awwww Plucketeer Dec 2014 #19

This is bad. Lifelong Protester Dec 2014 #21

Cardillo, ex-NYPD now living in Florida BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #22

Do you feel the same way about all politically active retired public employees? branford Dec 2014 #24

No, lawyer man, I feel that way about all people who are fundamentally incapable of gratitude BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #26

I'll then save your post for next time we discuss issues concerning active and retired teachers, branford Dec 2014 #30

Oh get off it already BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #35

Read about the mayor's current polling and trends as he approaches just one year in office. branford Dec 2014 #38

Did I say all cops? BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #41

I've said this before and will again now...my son and all his Ivy league educated friends adigal Dec 2014 #42

Anecdotes are not data or proof. branford Dec 2014 #49

I agree...so where's your data showing the great love for the NYPD? adigal Dec 2014 #74

Even post Ferguson and Garner, support is over 50%, branford Dec 2014 #79

Support went WAY down, especially among minorities adigal Dec 2014 #84

Is support more polarized, yes. Will such polarization continue, most likely. branford Dec 2014 #88

De Blasio approval rating is 47% THECHOSEN1 Dec 2014 #112

That's pretty good given the pounding he's been getting from the PBA and their tabloid lackeys BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #121

People of color and liberals in NYC will turn our backs on these fuckers geek tragedy Dec 2014 #25

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #29

Maybe all the gun grabbers have been......... pocoloco Dec 2014 #31

Well that would significantly reduce your chances of being shot Kalidurga Dec 2014 #32

That is one heck of a transparency page there. freshwest Dec 2014 #100

Thanks for the heads up on that one Kalidurga Dec 2014 #101

I only look if I see a nasty post to see if it's an aberration. Not sure what's up there... freshwest Dec 2014 #107

Do you realize that that the PBA is currently involved in contract negotiations branford Dec 2014 #33

I haven't heard the residents of the Pink Houses asking for more cops recently. nt adigal Dec 2014 #43

First, the Pink Houses do not necessarily represent the over 8+ million residents of NYC. branford Dec 2014 #51

My husband was NYPD, in the housing department adigal Dec 2014 #75

The PBA does not share the goal of reducing abuses geek tragedy Dec 2014 #45

The PBA's goal is to protect their officer members, no more, no less. branford Dec 2014 #52

Because when a teacher has an affair with a kid, the school gets them the hell out adigal Dec 2014 #80

Who said it was surprising? geek tragedy Dec 2014 #94

Except.... BronxBoy Dec 2014 #53

I'm not speaking for anyone but myself. branford Dec 2014 #60

You mentioned people of color.... BronxBoy Dec 2014 #62

If you are referring to people from all races and classes demanding more police protection, branford Dec 2014 #66

I claim to speak from a perspective BronxBoy Dec 2014 #68

Now I'm a little confused. branford Dec 2014 #72

Yes you are BronxBoy Dec 2014 #77

Bullshit about the Constitution? Engage with folks on an emotional level? branford Dec 2014 #97

"We obviously have a problem we need to deal with. How can we be a part of the solution?" Cha Dec 2014 #104

$15 an hour to start off while risking your life is overpaid? Reter Dec 2014 #59

In fairness, a great deal of police pay is expected overtime, benefits are excellent, branford Dec 2014 #61

They all earn $100k after a decent amount of years. nt geek tragedy Dec 2014 #127

So do teachers, school custodians, and a plethora of other NYC public employees. branford Dec 2014 #132

Hey, if they want to waive the right to break the law geek tragedy Dec 2014 #137

well him standing up for humanity and compassion trumps the 'fascist', "our way or nothing", heaven05 Dec 2014 #34

I saw this today from the ferry in NYC Around 930 Raine1967 Dec 2014 #36

I would be so disheartened and then pissed, Raine. :( Like I am now.. only not in person. Cha Dec 2014 #105

Fuck the police. Although that protest before the cops' burial was fucked up. But they paid for ad. Leopolds Ghost Dec 2014 #39

The sign's syntax The Wizard Dec 2014 #44

Is it true the NY Legislature just passed bill taking police misconduct cases out of mayors hands Leopolds Ghost Dec 2014 #50

The mayor doesn't handle potential cases of criminal police misconduct, branford Dec 2014 #55

I hope someone buys a plane banner saying something along the lines of True Blue Door Dec 2014 #56

That would certainly be lawful and permissible so long as paid for with private funds. nt branford Dec 2014 #63

I'd contribute to that (and without anonymity). Live and Learn Dec 2014 #73

disband that criminal organization Ramses Dec 2014 #57

How dare these employees of NYC workinclasszero Dec 2014 #64

Huh? branford Dec 2014 #70

All I see are cops getting away with murder workinclasszero Dec 2014 #93

Your equating fucking PIGS with genuine civil servants is disgusting. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #119

So you think people that are employed by the goverment christx30 Dec 2014 #71

This ridiculous action chervilant Dec 2014 #69

This is not about DeBlasio's culpability for murder. It's about RW propaganda vs. a Dem Mayor of NYC merrily Dec 2014 #81

+ a gazillion n/t inanna Dec 2014 #83

That's good Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #89

How can the NYPD police chief be replaced? Ash_F Dec 2014 #92

The mayor appoints the police chief so LiberalElite Dec 2014 #95

Some of them need to be replaced Ash_F Dec 2014 #99

I think you underestimate the power of police unions. former9thward Dec 2014 #123

Good point Ash_F Dec 2014 #124

The NYPD is basically the KKK???? branford Dec 2014 #131

Yes. Probably about half of the force needs to go NOW. Ash_F Dec 2014 #133

Are you actually advocating that all white police officers, numbering in the thousands, branford Dec 2014 #134

Did you watch the video or not? /nt Ash_F Dec 2014 #136

Yes, did you read my post? nt branford Dec 2014 #138

Yes, and the NYPD is racist through to the bone Ash_F Dec 2014 #139

So, you do advocate that all white police officers in the NYPD should be summarily terminated branford Dec 2014 #141

Here is one way to figure out who to fire Ash_F Dec 2014 #143

The mayor appointed the current chief and can appoint a replacement if he chooses. Calista241 Dec 2014 #96

See my post #33 about the state of negotiations. branford Dec 2014 #98

Those of Us With Guns Must ALWAYS Be Subordinate To the Civilian Authority Ryan Fitzomething Dec 2014 #103

The police are not the military, and political opposition is not mutiny or insubordination. branford Dec 2014 #106

"The police are not the military" Ash_F Dec 2014 #130

I'm sure you all know.. sendero Dec 2014 #114

De Blasio needs to watch his back for assassins. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #116

people who paid for the message "want to remain anonymous." Cowards!! Sunlei Dec 2014 #120

"Public Servants" my ass. liberalmuse Dec 2014 #128

Sounds a bit like Mayor Moscone in SF in the late 1970's. roamer65 Dec 2014 #129

Their biggest problem is madokie Dec 2014 #135

They are trying to bring back the mob. joshcryer Dec 2014 #140

Waaaaahhhhmbulance!!1!!!1! truthisfreedom Dec 2014 #142