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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 04:10 PM

26. Sure..

But that sounds suspiciously like people's objections to Sanders running as an Independent while he works for and caucuses with Democrats. You can try to push the party to the left from the outside and still be there for it when it's your only option for progress. I do not get the tribalism in the party on that subject.

As for the Biden quote, I think it's telling that it's not complete. She said" “It’s like saying to somebody, ‘You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all you’ve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing.’ It’s still shit”. Oligarchy has way too much say in our party. It's OK not to like that and call people beholden to the money to task. I am super, mega, King Kamehameha glad that President Biden has been much better than I expected, but candidate Biden didn't seem that exciting and didn't distance himself from all the corporate influence as much as many wanted to see. Just for the record, once Biden was the nominee Turner endorsed Biden and worked hard to get him elected.

Was Turner wrong to rescind her 2015 support for Clinton, endorse Sanders, then refuse to endorse Clinton as the nominee when she won? In retrospect, sure. But people on the left end of the Democratic spectrum weren't excited about an "it's my turn" candidate who refused to talk about the kitchen table issues that were and are central. Let's be honest, even people who ought to have known better like Turner really didn't think Trump could win. They were incredibly stupid to stay home, but I can understand why it might have seemed a viable option in 2016.

Third Way is all about keeping the rich as rich as possible and hates socialism and social programs. They are literally against any sort of income redistribution. Of course they don't want to see people like Turner elected. Their stated goals are nice and everything, but their ability to ignore the fact that most of the money generated in the past 40 years has gone to the rich and their refusing to act to ameliorate that leads me to dismiss them.

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