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Donkees

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19. My interest in this topic is rooted in my earlier research on Border Collies ...
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 09:35 AM
Aug 2022

It seems the earlier Collies were shaped more by temperament selection, intelligence, and health and not so much by ''breed standard" appearances. They seem to have had a more balanced nervous system, and not as obsessive in behavior as modern Border Collies, 'throw the ball!, throw the ball!, throw the ball!' They worked and they were able to relax.

The difference between loose eyed and strong eyed in herding breeds:

The strong-eyed dogs tend to have speed, intensity and a lot of drive – all traits that help them to excel at covering stock in large areas and taking control of the livestock. The International sheep dog trials that are commonly seen on television are designed to show off these points. These strong-eyed dogs have been bred to work in this style. They have also been bred for working temperament, to be biddable working for and with their handler. Many give easily to pressure, reacting quickly to handler’s training techniques.

In comparison, many of the loose-eyed dogs have been bred to work independently, learning from other dogs on the farm, or through trial and error. These dogs excel working in small pens, stockyards, feed lots and sorting chutes doing ranch or farm chores. They use their presence and/or voice to move a large group from the rear when the stock at the front cannot see them. Many are versatile; they will work cattle in chutes one day and move geese, ducks or sheep the next. The independence they are bred for can make training very frustrating, especially for the beginner handler. They are bred to push into pressure, which means their reactions will differ from the strong-eyed breeds and the training techniques being used.

https://downriver.allbreedherding.com/loose-eye-versus-strong-eye/
Our new pupster, Frankie [View all] Bayard Aug 2022 OP
A beauty.... Sogo Aug 2022 #1
Cute 🐶 Demovictory9 Aug 2022 #2
Looks like a large border collie. wnylib Aug 2022 #3
A bit smaller than a Border Collie Bayard Aug 2022 #4
Smaller? In the pic, it looks large wnylib Aug 2022 #5
Beautiful pupper! SheltieLover Aug 2022 #6
Wonderful! IrishAfricanAmerican Aug 2022 #7
Frankie is gorgeous. Duppers Aug 2022 #8
She's GORGEOUS!!! ❤ nt Raine Aug 2022 #9
Madainn Mhath Frankie ❤️ Donkees Aug 2022 #10
Thanks for the find! Bayard Aug 2022 #12
Photo Caption: Professor Duncan's Scotch Collies performed on both sides of the Atlantic ... Donkees Aug 2022 #13
Thank you! Bayard Aug 2022 #14
Came across Scotchcollie.org earlier today, have moved on to oldtimefarmshepherd.org :) Donkees Aug 2022 #16
Saving that to read later Bayard Aug 2022 #18
My interest in this topic is rooted in my earlier research on Border Collies ... Donkees Aug 2022 #19
The same traits Bayard Aug 2022 #21
That was the starting point of my original research, Agility trials and 'Reactive' Border Collies... Donkees Aug 2022 #22
Wishing you and Frankie a long and wonderful life together. Boomerproud Aug 2022 #11
Thank you, my friends, for your well wishes! Bayard Aug 2022 #15
Pretty face! Cracklin Charlie Aug 2022 #17
Beautiful baby! tblue37 Aug 2022 #20
What a sweet pea! cksmithy Aug 2022 #23
What a great story! Bayard Aug 2022 #24
Awww, she's adorable! What a perfect addition to your family! highplainsdem Aug 2022 #25
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