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Xithras

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229. Hiding Jon's identity was as much about protecting the kingdom as it was about protecting Jon.
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jun 2016

Ned Stark was a man of honor, and by his honor codes you go to war when someone kills your family (he went to war when the Targaryens after they killed his father and brother). If Robert Baratheon had known about Jon, he would have demanded that the baby be killed...and even if Robert had wavered due to his friendship, Cirsei and the Lannisters wouldn't have allowed him to be weak when their claim to the throne was being put at risk. Because Ned would have never handed a noble born blood-Stark over to the Iron Throne for execution, the inevitable result would have been a war between the Iron Throne and the North. To make things worse, many houses supported the Targaryens right up until Kings Landing fell and it looked like the family had been exterminated. The existence of a new heir might have caused those houses to rise again against Robert in aid to the north, throwing the entire kingdom into yet another war.

While Ned certainly wasn't pleased with the murder of the Targaryen children, his decision to flee north and hide Jon's identity was an attempt to save the kingdom as much as it was to save his nephews life. I don't think it had much to do with the bloody end that the other Targaryen children were subjected to.

some articles from recent days NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #1
GIF recap of the last episode NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #2
10 hours to go - my predicted deaths NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #3
I can see WolverineDG Jun 2016 #4
True on Margaery NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #5
Don't forget one of Margaery's first lines WolverineDG Jun 2016 #7
Yes, I remember NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #8
Nice info. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #9
yes NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #14
Well WolverineDG Jun 2016 #162
I missed Loras and Mace Tyrell NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #164
At least WolverineDG Jun 2016 #166
a few more articles NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #6
Thank you for the reminder of length dixiegrrrrl Jun 2016 #10
yes NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #12
Watching last week's episode again. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2016 #11
Yes, I kept shouting "why is he running in a straight line?!!". Evening Lightning McQueen jonno99 Jun 2016 #52
1 minute to go Solly Mack Jun 2016 #13
dracarys! NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #15
Maybe Solly Mack Jun 2016 #17
Let the dying begin Solly Mack Jun 2016 #16
I'm ready!!!!! FarPoint Jun 2016 #18
Varys' birds will do what they did in the book. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #19
Wonder if Arya gets to have a reunion with the Mountain? Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #21
You mean the Hound? Solly Mack Jun 2016 #22
Oops. Yes. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #29
I wonder how she would react to seeing him again? Solly Mack Jun 2016 #35
She took him off her list. nt WolverineDG Jun 2016 #163
Yeah, I know. Still, she might be tempted. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #175
Stark banner and the Battle of the Bastards NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #20
Dressing for death. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #23
Interesting NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #25
It is. Maybe there will be a twist? Solly Mack Jun 2016 #26
I want those religious fanatics to die. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #24
I hope so as well NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #30
Unfortunately Solly Mack Jun 2016 #32
Omigod, Brighthouse. Getting major interference. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #27
Thank God I can see it on the Spanish channel. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #36
A little birdie :) Solly Mack Jun 2016 #28
That's what I was thinking NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #33
Hopefully. He should be back by now. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #37
Looks like NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #47
Yep. Switched it. Lancel dies too. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #48
Poor Loras Tyrell Solly Mack Jun 2016 #31
I'm not sure NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #34
Yikes! They've cut him! I think there is a plan to save him....maybe not from a fire though. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #39
Does he really want to be NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #44
Si, definitivamente. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #38
Brutal Solly Mack Jun 2016 #41
The Mountain stopping Tommen from leaving NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #40
Probably...more little birdies. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #43
La reina madre is up to something. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #42
Nope. She sure wasn't. I agree...something is up. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #45
Margery is smart as hell. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #55
So...the birdies will do it...just not for Varys. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #46
and Lancel gets it as well NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #50
He's crippled at least Solly Mack Jun 2016 #54
2 down. How many more to go? Solly Mack Jun 2016 #49
Major Kill No. One. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #51
Margaery is finally getting it Solly Mack Jun 2016 #53
Yup. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #57
Listen to Margaery people Solly Mack Jun 2016 #56
Goodbye Tyrell Family Solly Mack Jun 2016 #58
Olenna is still alive? NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #63
Yes, she left. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #64
and NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #68
I think there's a cadet line in High Garden WolverineDG Jun 2016 #169
In the books NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #170
Adios Casa Tyrell! Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #59
and the Sparrows Solly Mack Jun 2016 #60
That green flame looked like a special effects from Ghost busters. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #65
Hahahahahahahahahahaha! I hate Cersei but good on her! (for her captive) Solly Mack Jun 2016 #61
Ha! ha! Cersei is waterboarding the monja with wine. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #62
I was just going to say that. FarPoint Jun 2016 #66
Omigod! Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #70
We all know how that plan works out... FarPoint Jun 2016 #79
Cersei, the Mad Queen. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #67
Oh, that's just wrong. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #69
I know. I didn't have to see anything to know that was about as wrong could get. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #72
I want Cersei to die a very brutal death. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #71
Tommen is no longer in the building. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #73
LMAO Solly Mack Jun 2016 #75
Behind. Just saw that. It's over. herding cats Jun 2016 #119
Now THAT was unexpected WolverineDG Jun 2016 #168
Well, hey, the city is called King's Landing n/t Godhumor Jun 2016 #182
ROTFLOL!!! GaYellowDawg Jun 2016 #193
LMAO. Tommen fall down. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #74
holy shit NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #76
Wrong place for a pratt fall. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #156
Another Red wedding? Solly Mack Jun 2016 #77
Never - ever - go to a wedding at the Frey House. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #78
So, Blackfish is dead? A death behind the scene that is only remarked upon. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #80
I think he deserved better, but I understand why they did that. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #82
All 3 of her kids are dead, so now Cersei can die. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #81
Not a tear for Tommen. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #83
She thought him weak and she was angry at him. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #86
So, who gets to rule? Cersei will say she does, of course. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #84
9/10ths of the law and all that. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #88
if she has a male heir NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #93
Cersei isn't likely to tolerate a husband is she? Solly Mack Jun 2016 #97
actually, with the main Baratheon cemaphonic Jun 2016 #192
The question wasn't meant to be serious. It was a poke at Cersei. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #205
Sam's boy looks like a hobbit. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #85
I like hobbits Solly Mack Jun 2016 #87
So do I. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #90
That's an odd looking nose Solly Mack Jun 2016 #89
white ravens flying from the Citadel NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #91
Yep Solly Mack Jun 2016 #98
Does that mean book 6 is coming out? n/t Yavin4 Jun 2016 #101
Good catch. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #106
The Spanish channel must be behind. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #108
Does Sam have to take out student loans from the Iron Bank? n/t Yavin4 Jun 2016 #92
Another loose end to tie up. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #94
Davos getting Melisandre to confess NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #95
I want to go to that Library charlie and algernon Jun 2016 #96
That is what I imagine the entrance to heaven will look like. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #102
With my luck, I'd break my glasses. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #104
That was my thought too! dixiegrrrrl Jun 2016 #183
"Yo no menti. Me equivoque." Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #99
Sending her south wasn't that bad. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #100
I don't think we have seen the last of her. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #103
I agree Solly Mack Jun 2016 #107
She's be like Ser Jorah is for Dany NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #109
Maybe Solly Mack Jun 2016 #111
Don't trust Sansa. Seriously - don't trust her no matter what she says. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #105
She already got her vengeance. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #114
Don't know. Don't care. Not a fan and I don't trust her. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #116
Hmm...she might be playing with little finger. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #130
Personally I think Sansa is playing a long con on LF yellowdogintexas Jun 2016 #247
Winter is here and death is upon us all. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #110
Olenna! Solly Mack Jun 2016 #112
Varys! OMG I did NOT see that coming! Solly Mack Jun 2016 #113
Any alliance with the sand snakes is doomed to fail, don't you think? Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #115
Varys isn't dumb, so any plan that involves him has a good chance of going well. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #118
That will be a powerful group NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #117
I agree. From the south and the north ....a lot of anger at the Lannisters. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #120
The North is going to be busy for a while with the White Walkers yellowdogintexas Jun 2016 #248
Dany dumps Daario NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #121
I agree. He has been. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #123
Hand of the Queen Solly Mack Jun 2016 #122
Bird or Arya? Solly Mack Jun 2016 #124
LMAO! Yes!!! The Manderly pie Solly Mack Jun 2016 #125
Yes!!!!!!!!!!! I am beyond happy!!!! Solly Mack Jun 2016 #126
Arya is in the house! Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #127
Job well done!!! FarPoint Jun 2016 #129
The Twins NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #132
Red wedding, methinks. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2016 #185
Yes! We get the Frey Pie!!!!!!! NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #128
Gross. Yuck. Sick. Blech. Gag. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #131
Sansa does have something up her sleeve. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #135
We're going full circle. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #148
Kill Littlefinger. Just kill the fucker. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #133
Benjen ..another loose end to tie up Solly Mack Jun 2016 #134
and, now we get the wrap up of the Tower of Joy NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #136
I hope Solly Mack Jun 2016 #138
So, where to go? Winterfell? Or remain at Castle Black? Solly Mack Jun 2016 #137
and so it ends :) Solly Mack Jun 2016 #139
Just one! Yes!!!!! Solly Mack Jun 2016 #140
Lyanna Mormont kicks ass NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #141
And she speaks fluent Spanish. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #143
LMAO! You're a hoot! Love it!! Solly Mack Jun 2016 #146
Women are rallying the troops. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #142
she really commanded the room NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #147
Yes!!!!! Lady Mormont is awesome. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #144
Littlefinger won't take that too kindly Solly Mack Jun 2016 #145
What? Specifically? Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #152
The new King of the North Solly Mack Jun 2016 #153
I was wondering about Sansa's expression when the hall clamored for Jon. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #154
I don't know what Sansa really wants. Like I said, I don't trust her. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #158
I do like Sansa, and I don't see her turning into Lady Stoneheart Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #180
Never crossed my mind to think she would. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #181
In the books DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #187
But Littlefinger has nowhere to go now WolverineDG Jun 2016 #171
Doesn't mean Littlefinger won't try to turn people against Jon. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #173
I wonder if Sansa, as a Stark herding cats Jun 2016 #184
She knows winter has come and Jon has told people what that means Solly Mack Jun 2016 #186
I think she's playing Littlefinger n/t DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #188
I agree with you. She is going to earn Solly Mack's respect. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #202
I hope so Solly Mack Jun 2016 #204
Then Littlefinger is an idiot WolverineDG Jun 2016 #206
Oh, I agree. But he's a mean idiot who isn't above petty acts of revenge. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #212
I can't follow this show at all, but I do know I can't stand the littlefinger! hibbing Jun 2016 #215
The other Houses pushed the issue.. after Lady Mormont shamed them. FarPoint Jun 2016 #167
He doesn't need to blame her to take it out on her. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #172
I think Sansa knows just that.... FarPoint Jun 2016 #176
I hope so. I really do. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #178
Gonna be the war of the women Solly Mack Jun 2016 #149
We're going full circle. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #150
Honestly, I think she is where she really always wanted to be. scarletlib Jun 2016 #165
I agree Solly Mack Jun 2016 #174
Oh! I love that dragon ship! Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #151
EW post show article NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #155
Amazing finale!!! AuntPatsy Jun 2016 #157
Okay. How is Varys on the ship? Yavin4 Jun 2016 #159
We don't know the time-line. But from it we can know there's a major alliance Solly Mack Jun 2016 #160
Exactly...and Pod and Brienne are still rowing???? FarPoint Jun 2016 #161
maybe they'll catch up to Gendry soon? NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #209
Exactly what I was giggling about to myself. FarPoint Jun 2016 #230
There are Dornish ships in that fleet as well DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #189
Why would the Dornish fleet sail all the way to Mireen just to sail back to Westeros? Yavin4 Jun 2016 #200
Maybe to help get all the Dothraki over WolverineDG Jun 2016 #207
When we see the fleet at the end DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #221
Would have been nice if they could have given an indication of how much time had passed NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #235
I think they assume that we all know a fair bit of time has passed DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #236
This reassures me since it's been months, that means Sansa isn't pregnant riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #237
I think the Red Woman will meet up with Arya. FarPoint Jun 2016 #177
Just wanted to say I adore Arya. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #179
So Jon Snow is really Jon Targaryen. Kablooie Jun 2016 #190
a Targaryen or a Baratheon? BainsBane Jun 2016 #198
Rhaegar Targaryen is his father. Kablooie Jun 2016 #203
Or eloped WolverineDG Jun 2016 #208
Yes possibly. Details are left to be discovered. Kablooie Jun 2016 #211
I'm no expect on Medieval rites of ascension NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #217
There you go. Dany is likely to have an unwanted comeuppance before the end of the show. Kablooie Jun 2016 #222
well, it also depends NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #223
Thinking as a writer it makes a much more interesting and dramatic situation if Jon is legitimate. Kablooie Jun 2016 #225
Could have definitely used dragons in the Battle of the Bastards. nt BainsBane Jun 2016 #233
The rite of ascension in Westeros is very simple: might makes rite. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #226
Why isn't Jon blonde then? BainsBane Jun 2016 #232
On the show NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #234
because, as Jon Arryn said in the very first book/episode : Dark is strong in the Baratheon Line yellowdogintexas Jun 2016 #249
I know that about genetics BainsBane Jun 2016 #250
Question. Was she stabbed in that scene or was it a bad birth complication? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2016 #210
There was no identification of an attacker and the blood was mainly below the waist... Kablooie Jun 2016 #213
The King's Guard would not have stayed behind for anything less than an heir. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #216
not sure of the timing WolverineDG Jun 2016 #224
The other two died before Ned arrived and Jon was newly born when Ned reached the Tower. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #228
6 seasons in and episode 9 and 10 are my favorites of the series. Islandurp Jun 2016 #191
It's been a great ride NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #194
Getting Ready for the Game of the Walking Dead of Thrones Xyzse Jun 2016 #197
That just means everything will go horribly wrong next season Oneironaut Jun 2016 #220
9 was awesome BainsBane Jun 2016 #199
supposedly revealed via close captioning NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #195
Yes. I watched it again on my HBO app last night with cc turned on. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2016 #196
Ahh. You hear "ki.. hi"but it's not printed. Close enough I think. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2016 #201
Ned knew it to be true too. He broke with Robert over the murder of the Targaryen children. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #214
Hiding Jon's identity was as much about protecting the kingdom as it was about protecting Jon. Xithras Jun 2016 #229
I'm talking about in the books where it says that Ned was angry with Robert over the murders Solly Mack Jun 2016 #231
Finally we all know Aerows Jun 2016 #218
Dick Cheney: why didn't I think of wineboarding? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #219
The Sept Baelor blowed up. Blowed up real good. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #227
wow that was amazing! But what did all those kids stab the old bettyellen Jun 2016 #238
He was an enemy of Cersie. BainsBane Jun 2016 #239
Not sure if he was really an enemy NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #240
He helped kick her out of the small council BainsBane Jun 2016 #241
true NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #242
Jon Snow's given name at birth? NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #243
Did you realize that the map in the titles isn't flat and isn't on a globe? Kablooie Jun 2016 #244
I honestly haven't paid that much attention since originally seeing it NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #245
GIF recap of the finale NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #246
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