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CRH

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11. So how big a deal is 40 GW ...
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 09:02 PM
Sep 2013

I've tried to get figures from the BP site but my computer is old and the beach ball runs non stop. No answers there.

Found a graph from 2011 on TOE for China. The graph indicates a total of about 2.5 Billion TOE. Of that 1.75 Billion is coal. This converts to 2,500 MTOE and 1,750 MTOE.

A problem arises with the 40 GW figure because the figure is useless without a time frame. Is the production for an hour or a year. One assumes that is the production 'potential' for an hour. However without figures for how many hours per day the solar generation is effective and to what percent it is recoverable from the potential, how much actual power are we talking about?

Google indicates a GW of solar generation will supply about 200,000 homes, with consumption equal to US lifestyle. That is about 8,000,000 homes for 40GW, or about 30 - 40 million occupants with first world lifestyles.

So for total energy consumed by China in 2011, 40 GW would represent a small fraction of the total power used, residential, commercial, industrial, and transportation. If the average solar GW could be produced for four hours a day at the full potential, it would convert to (40GW x 1460 GWh/Yr = 58,400 GWh/Yr) of total solar production. This converts to 5,021,496 TOE per year of 5 MTOE.

So if these computations are correct using the loose figures from total energy used in China in 2011, 40 GW of solar production at full potential for 4 hours a day would generate about .2% of the total energy used, and .28% of 2011 coal use.

Where am I wrong?



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Could you let me know what MToE means, please? OnlinePoker Sep 2013 #1
Million tonnes if oil Equivalent happyslug Sep 2013 #2
your list left off uranium quadrature Sep 2013 #16
Ask Wikipedia, where I obtain the list, I did include that cite happyslug Sep 2013 #21
Sure GliderGuider Sep 2013 #3
Equivelent to a million tons of oil. FBaggins Sep 2013 #4
Yes, I built the graphs myself, using the BP data which I've now linked in the OP. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #5
You left out the renewable discussion kristopher Sep 2013 #6
Just telling the current story. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #7
Hi kristopher, have a question for you, ... CRH Sep 2013 #8
According to BP, in 2012 China used a total of 2735.2 mtoe of primary energy GliderGuider Sep 2013 #10
Thanks Glider, I did some crude bashing of numbers myself, ... CRH Sep 2013 #12
The capacity factor of PV is variable, but 15% seems reasonable GliderGuider Sep 2013 #15
To make it more simple, ... CRH Sep 2013 #9
So how big a deal is 40 GW ... CRH Sep 2013 #11
Where are you wrong? Just about everywhere because you are looking in the wrong place and kristopher Sep 2013 #14
As you say, GliderGuider Sep 2013 #17
In relation to economic performance GliderGuider Sep 2013 #18
Reasons that outlook will probably change: cprise Sep 2013 #22
I like optimists: Their tears taste so nice after maturing for a couple of years. Nihil Sep 2013 #23
I was just pointing out the difference in mindset. n/t cprise Sep 2013 #24
Does a difference in mindset matter if the actions are the same? GliderGuider Sep 2013 #25
Give them a chance cprise Sep 2013 #26
Wait, what??? NickB79 Sep 2013 #27
It makes a lot of sense cprise Sep 2013 #28
Why do you insist on making false presentations of data? kristopher Sep 2013 #19
:-) GliderGuider Sep 2013 #20
Speaking of rate of build-out GliderGuider Sep 2013 #13
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