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kristopher

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14. Where are you wrong? Just about everywhere because you are looking in the wrong place and
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 09:56 PM
Sep 2013

...asking the wrong questions.

Not sure why you would think the significance of the 40GW of solar to be installed within a couple of years lies in the amount of generation it produces relative to coal. The point was clear in my post - China built most of its coal capacity within a 20 year window, and they can do even better with renewables. The amount installed in 2013 alone is supposed to be 49GW of renewables, not counting solar hot water (which is very large in China)

The question is how long will it take before CARBON is phased out; to that end we look at solar, wind, biomass, biomethane, geothermal and all types of hydro.

Given the performance in growing their coal industry and the now low and going lower cost of renewables, there is no reason to think that the rate of growth curve for renewables will not be at least as aggressive as that of coal.

As an aside, you need to be careful of the units being discussed when comparing primary energy which is used when discussing thermal fuel sources (nuclear and fossil) with the output of renewables, which is discussed in terms of final consumption. The thermal sources only deliver about 28-35% of their primary energy content to the end user; the rest is discharged as (usually) wasted heat.

In summary, what we are concerned with is how to bend the curves, and the context associated with the graphs is essential to understanding how that happens.

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Could you let me know what MToE means, please? OnlinePoker Sep 2013 #1
Million tonnes if oil Equivalent happyslug Sep 2013 #2
your list left off uranium quadrature Sep 2013 #16
Ask Wikipedia, where I obtain the list, I did include that cite happyslug Sep 2013 #21
Sure GliderGuider Sep 2013 #3
Equivelent to a million tons of oil. FBaggins Sep 2013 #4
Yes, I built the graphs myself, using the BP data which I've now linked in the OP. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #5
You left out the renewable discussion kristopher Sep 2013 #6
Just telling the current story. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #7
Hi kristopher, have a question for you, ... CRH Sep 2013 #8
According to BP, in 2012 China used a total of 2735.2 mtoe of primary energy GliderGuider Sep 2013 #10
Thanks Glider, I did some crude bashing of numbers myself, ... CRH Sep 2013 #12
The capacity factor of PV is variable, but 15% seems reasonable GliderGuider Sep 2013 #15
To make it more simple, ... CRH Sep 2013 #9
So how big a deal is 40 GW ... CRH Sep 2013 #11
Where are you wrong? Just about everywhere because you are looking in the wrong place and kristopher Sep 2013 #14
As you say, GliderGuider Sep 2013 #17
In relation to economic performance GliderGuider Sep 2013 #18
Reasons that outlook will probably change: cprise Sep 2013 #22
I like optimists: Their tears taste so nice after maturing for a couple of years. Nihil Sep 2013 #23
I was just pointing out the difference in mindset. n/t cprise Sep 2013 #24
Does a difference in mindset matter if the actions are the same? GliderGuider Sep 2013 #25
Give them a chance cprise Sep 2013 #26
Wait, what??? NickB79 Sep 2013 #27
It makes a lot of sense cprise Sep 2013 #28
Why do you insist on making false presentations of data? kristopher Sep 2013 #19
:-) GliderGuider Sep 2013 #20
Speaking of rate of build-out GliderGuider Sep 2013 #13
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