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cprise

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22. Reasons that outlook will probably change:
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 12:50 AM
Sep 2013

The Chinese are feeling the brunt of environmental degradation, its the top cause of social unrest over the last decade, and they have proposals for implementing BOTH a carbon tax and cap-and-trade system in tandem--in the short term.

Some of their other environmental problems cannot be de-linked from high coal consumption.

Add to this picture the fact that they are one of the few societies whose leaders are not wed to the idea of perpetual economic growth (e.g. this is a capitalist phase they are going through).

That coal trend line is going to start sagging earlier than you think...

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Could you let me know what MToE means, please? OnlinePoker Sep 2013 #1
Million tonnes if oil Equivalent happyslug Sep 2013 #2
your list left off uranium quadrature Sep 2013 #16
Ask Wikipedia, where I obtain the list, I did include that cite happyslug Sep 2013 #21
Sure GliderGuider Sep 2013 #3
Equivelent to a million tons of oil. FBaggins Sep 2013 #4
Yes, I built the graphs myself, using the BP data which I've now linked in the OP. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #5
You left out the renewable discussion kristopher Sep 2013 #6
Just telling the current story. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #7
Hi kristopher, have a question for you, ... CRH Sep 2013 #8
According to BP, in 2012 China used a total of 2735.2 mtoe of primary energy GliderGuider Sep 2013 #10
Thanks Glider, I did some crude bashing of numbers myself, ... CRH Sep 2013 #12
The capacity factor of PV is variable, but 15% seems reasonable GliderGuider Sep 2013 #15
To make it more simple, ... CRH Sep 2013 #9
So how big a deal is 40 GW ... CRH Sep 2013 #11
Where are you wrong? Just about everywhere because you are looking in the wrong place and kristopher Sep 2013 #14
As you say, GliderGuider Sep 2013 #17
In relation to economic performance GliderGuider Sep 2013 #18
Reasons that outlook will probably change: cprise Sep 2013 #22
I like optimists: Their tears taste so nice after maturing for a couple of years. Nihil Sep 2013 #23
I was just pointing out the difference in mindset. n/t cprise Sep 2013 #24
Does a difference in mindset matter if the actions are the same? GliderGuider Sep 2013 #25
Give them a chance cprise Sep 2013 #26
Wait, what??? NickB79 Sep 2013 #27
It makes a lot of sense cprise Sep 2013 #28
Why do you insist on making false presentations of data? kristopher Sep 2013 #19
:-) GliderGuider Sep 2013 #20
Speaking of rate of build-out GliderGuider Sep 2013 #13
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