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shira

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63. So once again, why is Ibish marginalized by the pro-Pals you associate with....

Tue Nov 19, 2013, 07:42 AM

Nov 2013

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Meanwhile, Abunimah's views are more widely accepted in your circles, as are the views expressed at Mondoweiss, ISM, PSC...

The reason?

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Also, is it generally accepted by your circle of pro-Pal friends that Arafat was also a tool, lackey, dummy, and quisling like Abbas? If not, what's the major diff. b/w Arafat and Abbas? Or what could Abbas do to become as respected as Arafat?

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Abbas: Palestinian peace talks team resigns [View all] Jefferson23 Nov 2013 OP

The dumb ass, Abbas, is an unbearably noxious quisling. delrem Nov 2013 #1

He is pathetic..very sad pathetic man. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #2

Hamas is better? You prefer them over Abbas? n/t shira Nov 2013 #3

Your repetitive and contrived questions are boring. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #5

Is that a yes or no? n/t shira Nov 2013 #6

I never see you guys calling Hamas unbearably noxious, quislings, etc.... shira Nov 2013 #4

Well if it isn't shira, the peacelover. delrem Nov 2013 #7

It's just that pro-Pals here and elsewhere seem to have more of a problem with the PA/Fatah.... shira Nov 2013 #27

That's just more stormfront-like reductionism and personal attack, delrem Nov 2013 #52

How so? n/t shira Nov 2013 #55

Hamas is "terrorists", not quislings. Quislings submit, like Abbas, they don't blow your shit up. bemildred Nov 2013 #8

That's been explained by everybody, so many many times. delrem Nov 2013 #9

It just annoys me the way these insults are thrown around like they are interchangeable. bemildred Nov 2013 #10

I think we should always be in the face of people delrem Nov 2013 #11

I don't think they're part of any operation... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #13

yup, that's the contradiction. delrem Nov 2013 #14

delrem...You should look at Bemildred's post #22 to you... King_David Nov 2013 #79

OK. Done. delrem Nov 2013 #85

Ha ha ha King_David Nov 2013 #86

Altho' "ha ha ha" is a fair representation of your wit, delrem Nov 2013 #89

That's the same damned lie you were spewing a month or two ago.... shira Nov 2013 #92

Untrue. and you should wash your mouth out. delrem Nov 2013 #94

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Don't take any notice of that one, delrem... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #90

Not surprised cos before you returned to IP from your hiatus King_David Nov 2013 #93

I notice that one turned into two - delrem Nov 2013 #106

That's pretty harsh. What about 'How I Met Your Mother'? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #12

OK, sometimes there are exceptions, we do rise to mediocrity occasionally. bemildred Nov 2013 #19

I'm with you apart from the zombie thing... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #20

My pleasure. Shaun of the Dead is a rip off of Juan de los Muertos. bemildred Nov 2013 #23

I'll have to watch that one. I'd never heard of it... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #40

We have Spanish language stations on cable here, it's all that keeps me sane. bemildred Nov 2013 #60

I think, at this point, I would like to remind you of my post count. bemildred Nov 2013 #22

Apart from Lithos, I think you and I hold the record for longetivity... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #41

The 2002 VC seems pretty reasonable. What the hell happened since? n/t shira Nov 2013 #42

Nothing much, except I've gotten older... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #48

Yeah, I think it was around April that year, lurking a bit before that. bemildred Nov 2013 #58

Ah, there it is: bemildred Nov 2013 #61

Interesting thread. Have your views changed since? n/t shira Nov 2013 #62

About what? nt bemildred Nov 2013 #65

Here is a good link for the piece in post #451: bemildred Nov 2013 #68

Amos & Dempsey: Don’t Just Stop Sequester, Save The Ground Force bemildred Nov 2013 #91

OK. And since shira's post count beats crap out of mine, I should defer to her as well. delrem Nov 2013 #83

Yeah, whatever you say. Bye. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #87

In an attempt to clarfy... oberliner Nov 2013 #15

That would be a pretty stupid point... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #16

Check out Richard Silverstein's twitter feed oberliner Nov 2013 #17

I don't bother with twits at twitter... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #18

I can understand why oberliner Nov 2013 #25

I think I'm afraid if I started reading I'd never be able to tear myself away... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #44

Is it Fatah or Abbas who are the quislings? Was Arafat as bad as Abbas in yr opinion? n/t shira Nov 2013 #29

Arguable. bemildred Nov 2013 #21

"So it gets circular, and dogmatic, on both sides." oberliner Nov 2013 #24

I don't believe in good guys and bad guys any more. bemildred Nov 2013 #26

But yeah, I know what you mean. bemildred Nov 2013 #37

Good clarification and thanks, Obie. I often wonder why Abbas is called a quisling/dummy.... shira Nov 2013 #31

Interesting wording azurnoir Nov 2013 #32

Hanania & Ibish are American but so are Ali Abunimah & Greta Berlin.... shira Nov 2013 #33

Funny how you like to bracket together Abunimah and Berlin why is that? azurnoir Nov 2013 #34

Then forget about Hanania and Berlin. Let's go with Abunimah vs. Ibish... shira Nov 2013 #35

Ibish is simply never mentioned perhaps because he is not as well know as Abunimah, who due to his azurnoir Nov 2013 #36

The post didn't say he was never mentioned oberliner Nov 2013 #38

please get back to me when you actually wish to address the issue rather azurnoir Nov 2013 #39

Ibish's views don't rub well with the pro-Pal crowd. They prefer Abunimah's views.... shira Nov 2013 #43

well according to you Greta Berlin is the heroine of azurnoir Nov 2013 #45

Do u not know why Abunimah's views are more popular than Ibish's or do u fear answering? n/t shira Nov 2013 #46

well shira why don't you tell us what you think the reasons are? azurnoir Nov 2013 #47

Sigh....fuhgeddaboudit. SoS, different day. n/t shira Nov 2013 #49

shira I'm asking because there isn't all that much difference between Ibish and Abunimah on issues azurnoir Nov 2013 #50

Ibish strongly supports 2 states. Also, he's not for RoR like the BDS crowd. shira Nov 2013 #51

while I understand that currently the BDS movement seems to make you afraid azurnoir Nov 2013 #53

Abunimah is for BDS, 1-state, full RoR. Ibish is for 2 states & says that even if Israel refused... shira Nov 2013 #54

ah how predictalble shira you arrange things so that you can claim azurnoir Nov 2013 #56

So once again, why is Ibish marginalized by the pro-Pals you associate with.... shira Nov 2013 #63

Not being as well known is simply not the same as being marginalized azurnoir Nov 2013 #70

The BDS crowd is totally against 2 states & would never budge on RoReturn... shira Nov 2013 #71

as for what you call the BDS crowd here is Omar Bargouthi himself azurnoir Nov 2013 #72

More bullshit from you, as you attempt to portray BDS as something it is not.... shira Nov 2013 #73

I excerpted what Omar Barghouti himself wrote and you are doing exactly what he wrote about azurnoir Nov 2013 #74

It's a fekking lie to claim that folks like Ibish, Oz, and Beinart hold similar views.... shira Nov 2013 #75

what are you even talking about Beinart and Oz haven't been mentioned in our conversation azurnoir Nov 2013 #76

Beinart, Oz, and Ibish are all 2-staters. Hawking probably is too... shira Nov 2013 #77

at this point there's something I must ask azurnoir Nov 2013 #80

Ha ha,yes I agree King_David Nov 2013 #81

Do you think Arafat was also a quisling who submitted? n/t shira Nov 2013 #28

Arguable. On the whole no. Perhaps he was just more effective as a leader. bemildred Nov 2013 #30

this whole thread is missing the major point .... pelsar Nov 2013 #57

So you agree he's a Quisling? bemildred Nov 2013 #59

hes a dictator.....protecting his hide pelsar Nov 2013 #66

OK, thanks for the clarification. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #67

sure....n/t pelsar Nov 2013 #69

All these pro-Pal folks have such strong feelings against Abbas, but none are willing to discuss.... shira Nov 2013 #64

Dumb-ass???? I'm not so sure here azurnoir Nov 2013 #78

Well, I sincerely hope to be wrong about Abbas, dead wrong, in fact. Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #82

well everything you said is nwhy if Abbas is worth anything this will wind up with the ICC azurnoir Nov 2013 #84

Oh Kerry is definitely rolling out a plan for January, he wants Israel/PA to " negotiate " Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #88

hamas in Gaza....you forgot about them pelsar Nov 2013 #96

No, you're wrong...but you often are. Have a nice day. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #97

I"m wrong?.... i guess so is al-monitor, but what do they know..... pelsar Nov 2013 #99

Your post, the al monitor, supports me, not you. Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #100

...do you need others.... pelsar Nov 2013 #101

My values and my beliefs have not contributed to the fact that you're wrong about Hamas. Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #102

apparently hamas, the PA and Israel disagree with you pelsar Nov 2013 #103

For a local, you're lost..this is true. Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #104

apparently you have little understanding of the local politics.... so I"ll do you a favor pelsar Nov 2013 #105

"U.S.-brokered peace talks" - well doh! ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #98