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jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
27. why harp on DC then?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 07:03 PM
Jul 2013

hack: I see you are ignoring that peak in 1991 .. So are you saying we have fewer guns now then we did in 1991? Why did our murder rates start a 20 decline in 1991?

Boomerang: Why did murder rates in DC start a dramatic 20 yr decline in 1991? when it's handgun ban was in effect? Reread previous post on cherry picking; Using your reason, why do you all harp about DC then?
DC... pop ...... totalcr... viol.... prop ... murder (RATES)
1962 -784,000-- 2,832 -- 605 -- 2,226 - 11.6 -handgun increases in DC
1976 -702,000-- 7,083 - 1,481 - 5,602 - 26.8 -handgun ban start
1991 -598,000- 10,768 - 2,453 - 8,314 - 80.6 -crime peaked
2008 -590,074- 6,561 -- 1,442 - 5,119 - 31.5 -handgun ban lifted
2011 -617,996-- 5,997 - 1,202 - 4,795 - 17.5

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/dccrime.htm

From 1991, your 'start year', to 2008 wen DC handgun ban lifted, murder rate in DC is down from 80.6 to 31.5, better than halved. This dramatic decline while DC handgun ban in effect. Do you see what I'm driving at now?
From 1962 to 1976, pre handgun ban, the national gunstock doubled & DC's murder rate went from 11.6 to 26.8, also doubling**. Why did DC murder rate double?
All you can point to is the handgun ban period, 1976 - 2008, where murder rate went from 27 to 31, near parity, but that would be ignoring, as you say, the 80.6 rate of 1991.

So if you want to tout gunstock increases being the reason for national murder rate falling from 1991 levels to now, you should attribute DC handgun ban for the same thing in DC.
It was the dramatic INCREASE in availability of guns in DC in the 60's & early 70's which helped cause the dramatic increase in violent crime, property crime, & total crime rates & murder rates to 1976. Higher rates increased thru 1991 but more guns also continued to proliferate.
asterisk: **(DC being invested by Md & Va where guns easily x'd borders, saw dramatic increase in handguns in DC, likely much more than doubled, I lived there about then.)

Well I made it to the Gazel and puked! upaloopa Jul 2013 #1
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #2
samantics upaloopa Jul 2013 #3
Not according to the data ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #4
I'm not taking or wanting to take anything away from you upaloopa Jul 2013 #6
"More guns = more people shot" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #5
Hundreds of people are shot everyday in this country upaloopa Jul 2013 #7
"Hundreds of people..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #10
You're hung up on some statistic. People are being upaloopa Jul 2013 #16
well, no thanks but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #17
You said MORE people. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #12
One person shot is too much upaloopa Jul 2013 #15
no, gejohnston Jul 2013 #13
Was it the Gazelle being DWC Jul 2013 #25
No I don't want to be fed NRA talking points upaloopa Jul 2013 #26
I know the old adage DWC Jul 2013 #29
Truth is relevant. That ain't truth it's propaganda. upaloopa Jul 2013 #30
Name one thing stated in the video that is not true. n/t DWC Jul 2013 #31
This was some of the dumbest stuff I heard the 1st time it was posted. jmg257 Jul 2013 #8
Somehow, that figures... jmg257 Jul 2013 #9
"...but even if you put a pile of bullshit in a dress, DWC Jul 2013 #11
Hey, YOU are the one who posted this as "the most conscientious, logical, sensible rhetoric... jmg257 Jul 2013 #14
More Guns, More Lies jimmy the one Jul 2013 #18
I see you are ignoring that peak in 1991 hack89 Jul 2013 #20
why harp on DC then? jimmy the one Jul 2013 #27
I am saying gun.ownership rates are irrelevant to murder rates. hack89 Jul 2013 #28
More YAWN from you. CokeMachine Jul 2013 #21
What ridiculous BS! Almost dumber than the "My rights trump your dead" video! rdharma Jul 2013 #19
Pot, kettle and all!! CokeMachine Jul 2013 #22
This statement is solid DWC Jul 2013 #23
Middle America....... rdharma Jul 2013 #24
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