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jimmy the one

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25. ccw not what it seems, J
Sat May 17, 2014, 12:04 PM
May 2014

straw man: For example, in New York there is no state-mandated training, safety or otherwise, for a CCW.

And Johnston on another thread claims new York state counties are effectively shall issue: you are obviously ignorant of the laws.. New York and California issue by county, each county does what it wants. Most NY counties are defacto shall issue, and about half of California's counties are..

So explain to me Johnston, why new York & California, with maybe half their counties 'doing what it want's' regarding concealed carry, have a small percentage of what similar urbanized pro gun shall issue states have?:

2012 stats:
California – 35,000 (may issue ccw permits) with 38 million peeps:
Florida – 985,143 with 19.5 million peeps
New York – Published data indicates that 93,028 licenses ... 19.6 million peeps
New Jersey – 32,000 ... ~ 9 million peeps
Michigan (shall issue) – 321,599 .... ~ 10 million peeps
Texas (shall iss) – 524,000 ... ~ 26.5 million Texans
Tennessee (shall iss) – 376,050
http://www.inquisitr.com/444177/concealed-carry-permit-statistics-by-state-report/#iLeQ4xA0epqSMAdj.99

state.......................ccw % of pop... violcrime rate.. murder rate
California: CCW permit Rate = 0.1% ... 423 ........ 5.0
New York CCW permit rate = 0.5% .... 406 ........ 3.5
Texas CCW permit rate ...= 2.0% ..... 408 ...... 4.4
Florida CCW permit rate .. = 5.1% ........ 487 ...... 5.2

New Jersey CCW permit rate = 0.35% .... 290 ...... 4.4
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/njcrimn.htm (individual states at bottom of link)

So Johnston, pro gun shall issue Florida's ccw permiting rate (accd'g to this website) is 50 times higher than californias, wha' happen to half california's counties being shall issue? maybe peeps don't want?
Texas ccw rate is 4 times higher than new York state (where Johnston says counties are mostly shall issue), & Florida's is 10 times higher than new York state. Looks like may issue states of calif & new York, are not what Johnston thinks they are - shall issue at heart.

endless needless death and maiming will continue until they grow up randys1 May 2014 #1
Childhood accidents via guns are lower than electrocution, Eleanors38 May 2014 #2
Guns are toys for childish playtime. randys1 May 2014 #3
Actually not. But have a good day. Eleanors38 May 2014 #13
I never understand this kind of argument. upaloopa May 2014 #5
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I put that line in there just to see what reply I would get. upaloopa May 2014 #7
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The comment was just flame-bait? IronGate May 2014 #9
No here is my ideas. upaloopa May 2014 #11
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"who gives a s---?" Obviously the OP & perhaps you. Eleanors38 May 2014 #14
Now everything you don't like is an insult. upaloopa May 2014 #15
false dichotomy jimmy the one May 2014 #16
Fact? Jack? Straw Man May 2014 #17
predominance jimmy the one May 2014 #21
I'm sure every gun owning Floridian gejohnston May 2014 #22
Could you put a number on "predominantly"? Straw Man May 2014 #23
predominance explained jimmy the one May 2014 #24
Your castle is made of sand, Jimmy. Straw Man May 2014 #28
nyc has more stringent storage laws jimmy the one May 2014 #30
Keep movin' those goalposts, Jimmy. Straw Man May 2014 #32
undeniably wrong jimmy the one May 2014 #33
A meaningless truism. Straw Man May 2014 #34
ccw not what it seems, J jimmy the one May 2014 #25
Population density, Jimmy. Straw Man May 2014 #26
defacto shall issue, hah jimmy the one May 2014 #27
Hah hah. Straw Man May 2014 #29
I'll say this about jimmy, Jenoch May 2014 #35
Can I get a little dressing for this word salad.. SQUEE May 2014 #20
Is there an equal number of electrical outlets to guns in the United States? itsrobert May 2014 #31
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I can think sarisataka May 2014 #10
That's why I recommend all firearms except your EDC be locked up. ileus May 2014 #18
Yep, there's only two safe places for a gun... Bazinga May 2014 #19
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