Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Straw Man

(6,633 posts)
28. Your castle is made of sand, Jimmy.
Sat May 17, 2014, 12:39 PM
May 2014

If you're asserting a causal connection between "guncontrol" states and accident rates, how do you explain the fact that California, Illinois, Utah, and Arizona are in the same tier? That's four anomalies right there, and California is a rather significant anomaly, considering its population and the aggressiveness of its gun control. The OP is about Arizona -- remember? "Oh if only they had California's gun laws, this kind of thing wouldn't happen." Except that it happens with comparable frequency in California, gun laws notwithstanding. Poof! There goes your premise.

Florida? Why did I mention "stand your ground"? To identify Florida as quite the opposite of a "guncontrol" state. I'm sure you would agree that "stand your ground" isn't the only thing that tags Florida as a gun-friendly state, but it's the best-known one. Clear? You didn't make any reference to what kind of gun control you are using for your designation of states. Don't blame me if your brush is too broad and your axe too dull.

As I already informed you, there is no correlation between being a "guncontrol state" and being a safety-oriented state. The only safe storage requirement in New York applies to a firearm owner sharing residence with a "prohibited person," one with a history of felony convictions or involuntary commitment for mental health: no provision for households with children. New York has no state-mandated training for CCW. Some counties require a basic NRA course, such as Home Firearms Safety, but nowhere is that codified in law. And as I have already pointed out, rabidly gun-friendly Arizona is demonstrably as safe as rabidly gun-unfriendly California.

When do we get to talk about accident rate per-household-with-firearm, as opposed to per-raw-population?

endless needless death and maiming will continue until they grow up randys1 May 2014 #1
Childhood accidents via guns are lower than electrocution, Eleanors38 May 2014 #2
Guns are toys for childish playtime. randys1 May 2014 #3
Actually not. But have a good day. Eleanors38 May 2014 #13
I never understand this kind of argument. upaloopa May 2014 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #6
I put that line in there just to see what reply I would get. upaloopa May 2014 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #8
The comment was just flame-bait? IronGate May 2014 #9
No here is my ideas. upaloopa May 2014 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #12
"who gives a s---?" Obviously the OP & perhaps you. Eleanors38 May 2014 #14
Now everything you don't like is an insult. upaloopa May 2014 #15
false dichotomy jimmy the one May 2014 #16
Fact? Jack? Straw Man May 2014 #17
predominance jimmy the one May 2014 #21
I'm sure every gun owning Floridian gejohnston May 2014 #22
Could you put a number on "predominantly"? Straw Man May 2014 #23
predominance explained jimmy the one May 2014 #24
Your castle is made of sand, Jimmy. Straw Man May 2014 #28
nyc has more stringent storage laws jimmy the one May 2014 #30
Keep movin' those goalposts, Jimmy. Straw Man May 2014 #32
undeniably wrong jimmy the one May 2014 #33
A meaningless truism. Straw Man May 2014 #34
ccw not what it seems, J jimmy the one May 2014 #25
Population density, Jimmy. Straw Man May 2014 #26
defacto shall issue, hah jimmy the one May 2014 #27
Hah hah. Straw Man May 2014 #29
I'll say this about jimmy, Jenoch May 2014 #35
Can I get a little dressing for this word salad.. SQUEE May 2014 #20
Is there an equal number of electrical outlets to guns in the United States? itsrobert May 2014 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #4
I can think sarisataka May 2014 #10
That's why I recommend all firearms except your EDC be locked up. ileus May 2014 #18
Yep, there's only two safe places for a gun... Bazinga May 2014 #19
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Gun Control & RKBA»Arizona house so full of ...»Reply #28