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jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
33. undeniably wrong
Sat May 17, 2014, 02:13 PM
May 2014

link: New York City requires any lawful owner or custodian of a firearm to render his or her weapon inoperable by use of a safety locking device while the weapon is out of his or her immediate possession or control.

strawman: Erm, our discussion was state laws. Remember? That lovely little map you provided? If you want to do municipalities, you'll have to come up with an entirely different data set.

You're kidding? The discussion was of states with lower accidental firearm death rates; NYC is in New York state. New York state accidental firearm fatality rates are influenced largely by stats derived from NYC metro area. The figures/data on the map include of course, the data from NYC itself & metro area.

this you wrote, which applies to over 7 million new Yorkers, over a third of NY population, was undeniably WRONG: The only safe storage requirement in New York applies to a firearm owner sharing residence with a "prohibited person," one with a history of felony convictions or involuntary commitment for mental health: no provision for households with children.

strawman: In any case, the people of New York City may constitute a very large portion of New York State's population, but very few of them are gun owners. Therefore, NYC's safe storage laws are insignificant in a discussion of New York State's firearms accident rates. It's that pesky old demographic thing again.

The relative scarcity of firearms in NYC redounds on the accidental firearm death rate for New York state as a whole; if you measured only counties outside of NYC, I bet accidental firearm death rates would be comparable with a progun state, which would demonstrate the efficacy of gun laws & may issue ccw in new York city.
Violent crime rates in NYC metro area of course will be higher than NY outside NYC, since it's an urbanized area, & cannot be meaningfully compared with rural areas, guns or not.

endless needless death and maiming will continue until they grow up randys1 May 2014 #1
Childhood accidents via guns are lower than electrocution, Eleanors38 May 2014 #2
Guns are toys for childish playtime. randys1 May 2014 #3
Actually not. But have a good day. Eleanors38 May 2014 #13
I never understand this kind of argument. upaloopa May 2014 #5
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I put that line in there just to see what reply I would get. upaloopa May 2014 #7
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The comment was just flame-bait? IronGate May 2014 #9
No here is my ideas. upaloopa May 2014 #11
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"who gives a s---?" Obviously the OP & perhaps you. Eleanors38 May 2014 #14
Now everything you don't like is an insult. upaloopa May 2014 #15
false dichotomy jimmy the one May 2014 #16
Fact? Jack? Straw Man May 2014 #17
predominance jimmy the one May 2014 #21
I'm sure every gun owning Floridian gejohnston May 2014 #22
Could you put a number on "predominantly"? Straw Man May 2014 #23
predominance explained jimmy the one May 2014 #24
Your castle is made of sand, Jimmy. Straw Man May 2014 #28
nyc has more stringent storage laws jimmy the one May 2014 #30
Keep movin' those goalposts, Jimmy. Straw Man May 2014 #32
undeniably wrong jimmy the one May 2014 #33
A meaningless truism. Straw Man May 2014 #34
ccw not what it seems, J jimmy the one May 2014 #25
Population density, Jimmy. Straw Man May 2014 #26
defacto shall issue, hah jimmy the one May 2014 #27
Hah hah. Straw Man May 2014 #29
I'll say this about jimmy, Jenoch May 2014 #35
Can I get a little dressing for this word salad.. SQUEE May 2014 #20
Is there an equal number of electrical outlets to guns in the United States? itsrobert May 2014 #31
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I can think sarisataka May 2014 #10
That's why I recommend all firearms except your EDC be locked up. ileus May 2014 #18
Yep, there's only two safe places for a gun... Bazinga May 2014 #19
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