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In reply to the discussion: Did religion ever bring anything to mankind? [View all]DetlefK
(16,670 posts)51. I'm an atheist, but I think that religion has upsides.
It's a great instrument for crowd-control. You have to imagine living in a primitive time where people die all the time, sometimes in cruel, shocking ways. (How many of your relatives were eaten by wolves or beaten to death by a gang of marauders?)
1. Religion brings hope and counter-acts grief by creating a new reality in your mind.
In reality, there are situations where the only rational conclusion is to give up. But in your religious mind, there are irrational conlusions that allow you to keep going, eventually maybe exploiting extremely improbable events, also known as "miracles".
2. Religion allows the smart to control the dumb. (Exploiting the appeal-to-authority fallacy.)
Imagine if you had to reason with every peasant "No, you shouldn't breed pigs here in the Middle-East! Pigs need mud, mud needs water and we don't have much water around here! If you breed pigs, you will deplete the community's water-ressources!"
"No, you can't screw around with other people's wives! This will create jealousy and this will create violence, threatening the stability of our community! And it would lead the concept of marriage ad absurdum which we just invented to regulate heritage."
It's way easier to use religion: "No pigs because God said so. No fucking around because God said so."
1. Religion brings hope and counter-acts grief by creating a new reality in your mind.
In reality, there are situations where the only rational conclusion is to give up. But in your religious mind, there are irrational conlusions that allow you to keep going, eventually maybe exploiting extremely improbable events, also known as "miracles".
2. Religion allows the smart to control the dumb. (Exploiting the appeal-to-authority fallacy.)
Imagine if you had to reason with every peasant "No, you shouldn't breed pigs here in the Middle-East! Pigs need mud, mud needs water and we don't have much water around here! If you breed pigs, you will deplete the community's water-ressources!"
"No, you can't screw around with other people's wives! This will create jealousy and this will create violence, threatening the stability of our community! And it would lead the concept of marriage ad absurdum which we just invented to regulate heritage."
It's way easier to use religion: "No pigs because God said so. No fucking around because God said so."
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The OP is a series of unsupported assertions tossed out as an ill-conceived hypothesis.
LTX
Mar 2015
#143
Which is apparently behind a curtain and not addressing the points brought up by LTX.
cbayer
Mar 2015
#149
Fair enough. But are you limiting the question to the major religions, western religions?
NYC_SKP
Mar 2015
#14
Might have contributed to our survival at one point as a means of storytelling and copyerror control
AtheistCrusader
Mar 2015
#24
Not sure why total separation of church and state won't fix what you say is the problem.
merrily
Mar 2015
#39
It is possible to regard religious language as expressing non-negotiable ideas
struggle4progress
Mar 2015
#47
"Christianity" and "Islam" are abstract words, and different people use the words in different ways
struggle4progress
Mar 2015
#49
"Christianity" has a definite meaning to me; but "Islam" a considerably less definite meaning
struggle4progress
Mar 2015
#91
It's quite common for special uses of language to develop, which have a clear meaning
struggle4progress
Mar 2015
#99
Claims of approaches to universal truth are not necessary harmful, and
struggle4progress
Mar 2015
#111
I'm upset that the Rangers shat the bed against the Kings the other night
BeyondGeography
Mar 2015
#61
I wasn't familiar prior to your post. It would have been interesting to see the completed work.
LiberalAndProud
Mar 2015
#116
Religion basically boils down to a way for certain groups of people to control/exploit other people
Arugula Latte
Apr 2015
#183
Staunch anti-theist though I may be, I have never identified with this sentiment.
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2015
#133
It has been an effective vehicle for the global dissemination of Western European culture.
LiberalAndProud
Mar 2015
#138
"All these basic rules exist in all societies, even in those which did not invent gods."
LTX
Mar 2015
#139
Those studies seem so nebulous that it seems disingenuous to use them as evidence of anything.
LiberalAndProud
Mar 2015
#157
Whatever religion 'contributed' in the positive sense, was probably before
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2015
#179