2016 Postmortem

CoffeeCat

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47. We'll most likely never know

Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:19 PM

Feb 2016

The pressure is on the IDP. Unless they release the raw numbers or the delegates sheets that were turned into them by the Precinct Captains, the result of the Iowa Caucuses will remain a mystery.

That's a tragedy.

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Rec If You Truly Believe Bernie Won The Iowa Caucus [View all] scottie55 Feb 2016 OP

I don't know, but I'd like an accurate count to find out for sure. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #1

+1 daleanime Feb 2016 #4

The sole attendee of one saw the total reported as 1 for hrc roguevalley Feb 2016 #29

Yeah really, no more "coin tosses"!! CountAllVotes Feb 2016 #7

Really Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #122

I agree. One man, one woman, one vote saidsimplesimon Feb 2016 #135

^^This^^ Sometimes it isn't possible to know for sure eridani Feb 2016 #123

They are crowd sourcing the Iowa results precinct by precinct Bernblu Feb 2016 #124

+1 berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #126

I don't know. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #2

K & R! n/t in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #3

No Doubt About It cantbeserious Feb 2016 #5

I have been watching CNN and MSNBC This Morning scottie55 Feb 2016 #6

There is an investigation ongoing CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #36

Thanks so much for your stellar reporting on this issue! frylock Feb 2016 #40

Thank you CoffeeCat for keeping us informed sorechasm Feb 2016 #54

I just sent a letter encouraging their pursuit of this story left lowrider Feb 2016 #64

I just wrote to the Demoines Register thanking them for demanding an examination PWPippin Feb 2016 #70

thx 4 ur thoughts ellennelle Feb 2016 #72

I think it's important that Bernie Supporters continue this challenge. Cowpunk Feb 2016 #75

Thanks, CoffeeCat, for your activism and chervilant Feb 2016 #89

Thank you CoffeCat. I'll be glad to help however I can. Duval Feb 2016 #92

Deserves a rec all by itself. n/t bvf Feb 2016 #103

wow, this is freaking amazing. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #120

it is very wise to have the campaign precinct captains hopemountain Feb 2016 #127

Thank You CoffeeCat !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #131

How about somebody in Iowa actually saltpoint Feb 2016 #8

Iowa chief drives a car with hrc 2016 on the plate. our chance roguevalley Feb 2016 #30

Ah. I'm guessing that's an indication saltpoint Feb 2016 #43

I disagree... DUbeornot2be Feb 2016 #56

The Iowa count prompted suspicion if the saltpoint Feb 2016 #59

That is... DUbeornot2be Feb 2016 #76

I'm on board, DUbeornot2be. eom saltpoint Feb 2016 #88

See CoffeeCat's posts... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #31

Mmm. Not good for democracy, as saltpoint Feb 2016 #44

That is exactly what her posts explain... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #78

my understanding is that they don't actually tally votes during the caucuses Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #112

Yes. I realize I'm calling for a complete saltpoint Feb 2016 #119

How can you truly believe it? BillZBubb Feb 2016 #9

Is that what you thought in Florida 2000? Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #69

Yeah right, the Iowa caucus is just as important as Florida in 2000! BillZBubb Feb 2016 #80

c'mon out there - if you believe, clap your hands bigtree Feb 2016 #10

LOL, I thought of the same thing. Only the audience can save Tinkerbell! FSogol Feb 2016 #13

I think likely he did. I know I do not trust the DNC and local counts. The entire election system RKP5637 Feb 2016 #11

Don't know. Primary evidence is being withheld in an apparent attempt to hide the truth. nt Zorra Feb 2016 #12

He probably won, but can it be shown one way or another? demwing Feb 2016 #14

Just want an accurate accounting. What's wrong with wanting that? SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #15

I just think the contests this close should have their results verified. Half-Century Man Feb 2016 #16

It's almost impossible chervilant Feb 2016 #41

I think he might have won the majority of votes, but I don't think he won. fbc Feb 2016 #17

Even if he didn't technically get more votes... he still won, since Binkie The Clown Feb 2016 #18

Hiding the results of the Iowa election, Merryland Feb 2016 #19

There are strong indications he did. Avalux Feb 2016 #20

There are enough examples of switched voting reports where delegate votes for Bernie were changed Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #21

Yes! SoapBox Feb 2016 #22

I don't think there is any question he got a MAJORITY vote count... basselope Feb 2016 #23

The lack of transparency confirms it. 99Forever Feb 2016 #24

Quite true! If it were all above board, there would be no reason to hide it! ALL election results RKP5637 Feb 2016 #26

Did you happen to notice that... 99Forever Feb 2016 #37

Yep! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #38

Iowans claim instances when Sanders was shorted delegates totodeinhere Feb 2016 #25

could go either way Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #27

I think he proved his electability, which is definitely a win bhikkhu Feb 2016 #28

Imagine The News Cycle Where They Have To Restate And Say Bernie Won Iowa scottie55 Feb 2016 #33

It'd be buried on page 37 nxylas Feb 2016 #67

if the worksheets proved that hillary won, restorefreedom Feb 2016 #32

Yes! eom Got it Feb 2016 #34

I'm in avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #35

He didn't win my precinct. Inspired Feb 2016 #39

We'll most likely never know CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #47

I hope the Des Moines Register follows up with its reporting on this gyroscope Feb 2016 #42

Great cartoon! pinebox Feb 2016 #45

That cartoon was on the front page of SJ Mercury News the other day gyroscope Feb 2016 #48

Can't see that it is clear yet, nor that it will matter in the long run. Festivito Feb 2016 #46

if this was a Popular vote... druidity33 Feb 2016 #49

I dunno. Just going to wait to see how the various investigations play out. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #50

I learned all I need to know about this issue from SNL. CincyDem Feb 2016 #51

Don't really care, it won't determine the eventual winner. I don't believe there was any conspiracy. Hoyt Feb 2016 #52

It will hurt Hillary more Phil1934 Feb 2016 #53

It's possible that he did, but I, for one, can't say he definitely did Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #55

HILLARY IS A CHEATER! Odin2005 Feb 2016 #57

I think he did, but I also think it was close and not hard to cheat on. K&R Stevepol Feb 2016 #58

he lost get over it...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #60

see #62 840high Feb 2016 #63

The strongest evidence that he did is the foot dragging by the other side for an audit. We don't GoneFishin Feb 2016 #61

See this 840high Feb 2016 #62

Clinton and Schultz don't want transparency. That in itself is as much as an admission. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #65

I do, too. DrBulldog Feb 2016 #66

It certainly looks (and smells) like that. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #68

Without a doubt! dpatbrown Feb 2016 #71

Still harping about this? Chicago1980 Feb 2016 #73

The Iowa caucus is so awful on so many levels. oberliner Feb 2016 #74

K&R MissDeeds Feb 2016 #77

Clap if you believe! Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #79

I don't know, but I want to know Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #81

I believe it! K&R! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #82

I believe he won the popular vote. TheFarseer Feb 2016 #83

I believe he won. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #84

I repeat post #1 olddots Feb 2016 #85

Malfeasance from day 1? I wouldn't doubt it. nt silvershadow Feb 2016 #86

Yes but total votes don't get delegates. roody Feb 2016 #87

How are we supposed to know? Chemisse Feb 2016 #90

K&R nt Duval Feb 2016 #91

Time to take Iowa and New Hampshire and make them the last primary. GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #93

He won the popular vote for sure and maybe the delegate count too Bernblu Feb 2016 #94

K & R dae Feb 2016 #95

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #96

I'd say welcome...but with that screen name I'm guessing you may not be here long. FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #97

Show Us The Numbers scottie55 Feb 2016 #105

I have no doubt Bernie won. Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #98

K&R When a candidate runs behind and then moves up to jwirr Feb 2016 #99

Rec Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #100

Nip it! Jean Genie Feb 2016 #101

And as the primary proceeds we are going to hear more and more . ... ThreeWayFanny Feb 2016 #102

What's Most Recs Record On DU? billhicks76 Feb 2016 #104

I'd like to know that as well. /nt RiverLover Feb 2016 #130

I see, so actual voting results are inconsequential BainsBane Feb 2016 #106

It Looks Like 3/4 Of DU'ers Think What I Think scottie55 Feb 2016 #107

Hillary Could End All This Speculation In A Heartbeat scottie55 Feb 2016 #108

"Our votes still count" scottie55 Feb 2016 #110

So - no rec from the Sanders campaign? brooklynite Feb 2016 #109

Bernie Doesn't Want The Sore Loser Label Attached To Him By The Lazy Media scottie55 Feb 2016 #113

Not Lazy Media scottie55 Feb 2016 #115

That's why I think his campaign's response was the right one nxylas Feb 2016 #128

He did NOT win the caucus but no one will ever know how many actual voters pnwmom Feb 2016 #111

How Do You Know He Didn't Win The Caucuses? scottie55 Feb 2016 #114

Because his campaign sat down with the Party and went over all the results pnwmom Feb 2016 #117

Releasing raw data would help, Paka Feb 2016 #116

I know he won the popular vote... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #118

Has DU ever done a poll to see who's voting for Hillary/Bernie/Other? trillion Feb 2016 #121

Yes Bwprimal1 Feb 2016 #125

Rec # 400. nt Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #129

426, so far RiverLover Feb 2016 #132

Let it go Roy Rolling Feb 2016 #133

I take it you aren't rec #427. I also won't let making a joke of the Democratic process go. RiverLover Feb 2016 #134

I don't know. I want to know. We must have a clear and open system. This is a democracy. Gregorian Feb 2016 #136