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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:31 PM Mar 2016

Clinton’s Claims on Auto Industry ‘Not True’....Bernie speaks out. [View all]

Clinton’s Claims on Auto Industry ‘Not True’

What Hillary did last night was shameful. What those who refuse to listen to the real truth are doing is equally shameful.

When you care more about winning than telling the truth you hurt our country.


Clinton, who has struggled to downplay her support for job-killing trade deals, used a Sunday night debate in Flint, Michigan, to disingenuously mischaracterize Sanders record on the auto industry. In fact, Sanders voted for the carmaker bailout. He supported a $14 billion aid package which passed the House on Dec. 10, 2008. When that bill ran into a Senate Republican roadblock, the White House turned to a separate Wall Street bailout fund for loans to the auto industry.

In an interview on Monday with WOOD-TV, Sanders called Clinton’s claim “not true” and said it was part of a “disingenuous” attempt to deflect attention from her trade record. “It is absolutely untrue to say I voted against helping the automobile industry and workers,” Sanders told the Grand Rapids, Michigan, television station.

During a rally at a hockey rink here in Kalamazoo, Sanders also spoke to more than 3,200 supporters about Clinton’s record on trade and his support for workers in the auto industry. “She has supported virtually every one of these disastrous trade agreements which have wreaked havoc,” Sanders told the rally. The North American Free Trade Agreement and other business-backed trade deals contributed to the loss of more than 230,000 manufacturing jobs in Michigan since 1994.

To deflect attention from her own record, Sanders said, Clinton “went out of her way to mischaracterize” his record of support for auto workers. “There was one vote in the United States Senate to support the automobile industry and, of course, I voted for it. To say otherwise is simply not telling the truth,” he said. “I understand that Secretary Clinton wants to deflect attention away from her record supporting trade agreements like NAFTA and normal trade relations with China but she shouldn’t do that by mischaracterizing my record. What I did not vote for is the bailout of the crooks on Wall Street whose illegal behavior and greed brought this economy into the worst downturn since the 1930s.
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Kick and I'll kick the otehr too Armstead Mar 2016 #1
I am so disgusted with lies and racism. madfloridian Mar 2016 #2
Hillary currently leads Bernie by about 1.5 million votes Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #15
That shows that the people accept lies and innuendo over truth. madfloridian Mar 2016 #23
Actually it shows that he can't fool all the people all of the time. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #27
You want to play it that way? madfloridian Mar 2016 #37
Furious projection AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #56
+1 BeanMusical Mar 2016 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #58
Is Hillary fooling the delegates? No. They will answer to her lies, in their vote. DhhD Mar 2016 #72
Are you rooting for lies? snowy owl Mar 2016 #126
But even more people are not following this horse race until right before they vote. Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #78
I'm all over twitter with it. Someone on FB should post it a lot. madfloridian Mar 2016 #88
I post on Facebook, and so do other Sanders' supporters noiretextatique Mar 2016 #110
Why don't you address the substance of the post, tabasco Mar 2016 #33
...... madfloridian Mar 2016 #39
+1 mountain grammy Mar 2016 #46
+1000000. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #66
THe post is about Hillary LYING to you (and everyone) again Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #70
Hillary lies, it's what she does, it's who she is. It's never gonna' change. Dragonfli Mar 2016 #86
Shhhhhhhh!! monicaangela Mar 2016 #79
Why would you be proud 840high Mar 2016 #129
This message was self-deleted by its author ljm2002 Mar 2016 #157
she is lying about the private for prison money too questionseverything Mar 2016 #113
Hillary Needs to be Honest gordyfl Mar 2016 #121
Great video, thanks for sharing. madfloridian Mar 2016 #141
How can one support prevarication as a strategy? Fairgo Mar 2016 #3
^^ this ^^ amborin Mar 2016 #10
Michigan radio is repeating Clinton's lie all day today. Octafish Mar 2016 #4
This is sickening. madfloridian Mar 2016 #9
Certainly is. Octafish Mar 2016 #20
...and we are expected to support her if she wins the primary??? Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #18
Compared to what GOP offers... Octafish Mar 2016 #25
Also, Octafish, what was with the fact that Hillary said she had attended the church JDPriestly Mar 2016 #77
That was strange, wasn't it? madfloridian Mar 2016 #111
She's involved with The Fellowship. Octafish Mar 2016 #116
people in my very blue area of southern calif will not vote for her; whereas a month ago they might amborin Mar 2016 #87
IMO there will be no unity or re-uniting. That was tried before after she lost the 1st time. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #100
None this time; people are disgusted and appalled; and also cognizant of her endless regime change amborin Mar 2016 #105
I'll never have anything in common with oligarchy lovers. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #106
Will go down in shameful campainging lies history - like the "Willy Horton" ad. n/t Peregrine Took Mar 2016 #29
Absolutely Willie Horton. It lied about Bernie, turning his life's work into its opposite. Octafish Mar 2016 #125
I am going to keep this kicked since she has now put out a radio ad. madfloridian Mar 2016 #5
Aggressively lying Fairgo Mar 2016 #6
I have never been so angry. madfloridian Mar 2016 #7
OH I have been twice Gwhittey Mar 2016 #60
Okay, guess I was as well. madfloridian Mar 2016 #96
She has the Corporate Media behind her. Duval Mar 2016 #159
k&R amborin Mar 2016 #8
Thanks. madfloridian Mar 2016 #13
yep kristopher Mar 2016 #30
K&R Mbrow Mar 2016 #11
Ugh. AzDar Mar 2016 #12
K and R panader0 Mar 2016 #14
What is it they say about how quickly lies spread??? madfloridian Mar 2016 #16
The lie gets printed on page A1 above the fold, and the retraction on page A19 in small print Electric Monk Mar 2016 #17
That's it. madfloridian Mar 2016 #19
I lost my jury privileges for heartilly agreeing with a post that called an obvious liar a liar Electric Monk Mar 2016 #24
Then the liar lied Again immediately after the first lie (I screen capped it for your enjoyment) Dragonfli Mar 2016 #94
Yup! n/t Paper Roses Mar 2016 #64
knr nt retrowire Mar 2016 #21
Thanks. madfloridian Mar 2016 #22
no problem. the lies are too abundant. nt retrowire Mar 2016 #28
She has done this to him before. senz Mar 2016 #26
Bernie needs to go for the jugular just as she does but he's just too much of a nice person. Peregrine Took Mar 2016 #31
Strange he didn't correct her during the debate. spyker29 Mar 2016 #32
Hard to get a word in? madfloridian Mar 2016 #36
No, because she was right. But your suggestion implies that he can't defend himself against ecstatic Mar 2016 #67
I believe he was shocked at her nefariousness. senz Mar 2016 #49
I think you may be right. madfloridian Mar 2016 #108
They don't give them enough time to address more than one point passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #55
That's what she's saying spyker29 Mar 2016 #83
He voted for a version that DID include the auto manufacturers Dragonfli Mar 2016 #98
He wanted to help the auto industry. passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author ljm2002 Mar 2016 #158
those who avidly support liars are more than likely stupidicus Mar 2016 #34
rec Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #35
Thanks. madfloridian Mar 2016 #38
Thank you! I am so glad Bernie dealt with it today senz Mar 2016 #52
Those who know how - put this on Facebook, Twitter, etc. jwirr Mar 2016 #73
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #40
Why didn't he address this last night? ohheckyeah Mar 2016 #41
That was an ageist statement. Holy Shit! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #80
Ageism, racism, half truths and smears... madfloridian Mar 2016 #85
Bernie always takes the high road. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #90
Yes. madfloridian Mar 2016 #140
He of an advanced age. It's reality. ohheckyeah Mar 2016 #149
And your belief that he's not "quick witted enough to deal with foreign heads of state" C Moon Mar 2016 #135
No, does it make it okay for you? ohheckyeah Mar 2016 #150
K&R!! haikugal Mar 2016 #42
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #43
.... madfloridian Mar 2016 #44
K & R! n/t xocet Mar 2016 #45
K&R! truebluegreen Mar 2016 #47
Lying, cheating,disregard for the rules sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #48
How can you tell Hillary is lying? Logical Mar 2016 #50
I keep getting this song stuck in my head. I wonder why? jillan Mar 2016 #53
That is great! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #54
C'Mon Bernie campaign - get this out there, radio and all. If you need money - ask. jillan Mar 2016 #51
Confident dpatbrown Mar 2016 #62
Sneaky... madfloridian Mar 2016 #82
Kick because truth matters. madfloridian Mar 2016 #57
How any dem can vote for that woman is beyond my comprehension Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #59
Seems to be half true, pretty much like the things said about Hillary and Wall Street. Onlooker Mar 2016 #61
This is a FALSE Equivalency. bvar22 Mar 2016 #117
Video of Bernie admitting he didn't vote for the money to be released ecstatic Mar 2016 #63
A lot of lives also could have been saved if she had not voted to go to war, to use your logic. FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #76
He voted FOR the auto bailout. madfloridian Mar 2016 #81
Wrong. He voted No for the actual auto bailout that was part of the TARP bill. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #136
Yep. The facts don't lie. nt ucrdem Mar 2016 #130
K&R! Let's clear the lies and set the record straight! FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #65
Kicked and recommended! "Untrue" Imagine that! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #68
Bingo! K&R! blackspade Mar 2016 #69
shameful how she shamelessly lies and uses dirty tricks; but it won't work for her: people here amborin Mar 2016 #71
I hope the Michigan voters get the message. Vinca Mar 2016 #74
She timed it just right, didn't she. No time to counter-act her smear. madfloridian Mar 2016 #75
hence the distractions about whether a Jew can use the word "ghetto" MisterP Mar 2016 #84
Ghetto means cut off from society. Projecting sleaze and venom to a society cut off by NAFTA and DhhD Mar 2016 #95
Jewish immigrants from Poland and Russia did live in ghettos. They called them tenements. jillan Mar 2016 #109
Kick. truebluegreen Mar 2016 #89
I realize this request if probably buried, but PLEASE... pat_k Mar 2016 #91
Disgusting bernbabe Mar 2016 #92
Kick !! FloriTexan Mar 2016 #93
I'm not sure using the Sanders campaign site serves as an unbiased source mythology Mar 2016 #97
He voted yes on the auto bailout. He voted no when it was added to tarp madfloridian Mar 2016 #103
She is really testing my patience Nightjock Mar 2016 #99
and she will come begging if she is the nominee Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #118
She just wanted to make sure- marew Mar 2016 #101
..... madfloridian Mar 2016 #112
I was three months away from losing my GM pension JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #102
You need to remember better. CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #143
She's morally repugnant. Bernie just needs to straight call her a liar. Broward Mar 2016 #104
wish he had done so last night; he's got to call out her lies amborin Mar 2016 #107
Words escape me silenttigersong Mar 2016 #114
outrageously unacceptable amborin Mar 2016 #115
It's gloves off time. Bernie needs to call her out Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #119
K&R nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #120
She parsed her words so carefully... "Against the money that ENDED UP saving the auto industry." CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #122
that's exactly her deceit snowy owl Mar 2016 #127
If the people in MI are reading DU , and spread word of mouth this could kill her in her polling PatrynXX Mar 2016 #124
CBS Nightly News tonight, said an "expert" (unnamed) says job losses were negligible SoapBox Mar 2016 #128
H.R. 1424 -Sanders: Nay ucrdem Mar 2016 #131
Please check the date in the OP...please read it. madfloridian Mar 2016 #132
No, that's the October 1 bill, before the election, not the bill that Obama was.. dougolat Mar 2016 #137
Give a rec to Jillan's post...Fact Check confirms Bernie voted for it. madfloridian Mar 2016 #133
I am so angry about all the lies that Hillary tells in these debates, that I can't speak out here. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #134
Me too, on Twitter. madfloridian Mar 2016 #138
Well the bailout could have still secured jobs silenttigersong Mar 2016 #139
FOUND THIS! LIES, LIES, LIES! CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #142
Bernie Sanders' Vote To Bail Out Auto Companies JGug1 Mar 2016 #144
Bernie voted in December for autos Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #148
It is true actually Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #146
Everybody here was calling their Congressmen and Senators to block the TARP CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #152
Elizabeth Warren discussing TARP CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #153
Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #147
K N R Faux pas Mar 2016 #151
kick for truth Armstead Mar 2016 #154
Kick nt 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #155
K&R zentrum Mar 2016 #156
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