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2016 Postmortem

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Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:14 PM Mar 2016

Dear Mrs Clinton: some well-meant advice from an irrevocably lost voter [View all]

Dear Mrs, Clinton,

in regards to your hagiography of Mrs Nancy Reagan, you flimsy twitter-pology, and your belated elaboration of excuses cited here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511481109

may I please point out to you why this is not quite going to cut it? Let me first point out a few talking points that irked a bit in their context, and then suggest what your next (and hopefully sincere) attempt at apologising should sound like.

Your elaboration sounded like a very cleaver speech-writer did his or her best to give everything the most positive, Hillary-centered spin. Unfortunately, there is nothing positive about any subject involving Nancy Reagan and AIDS. Furthermore: this is not about you. It's not even about your campaign. So that speech-writer of yours has served you ill, or you ignored his/her best advices. Only you can tell which.

To begin with: the me-too tone. "I lost friends too" - yeah but you still looked at gay people as inherently inferior to yourself until 2013, Hillary. "I lost friends too" gave you as much insight into the plight of the LGBT community as George W. Bush had when, as a Texas politician, he assured a gay assemblyman that "I have gay friends too, so this is nothing against you personally", and then did what he did best: marginalising our community.

No denouncing of the Reagan's role in the AIDS dialogue ("just let those queers die out&quot , only the admission that "they don't deserve the distinction of having started the conversation". They were just a few of "MANY in power who turned a blind eye". Hey, anyone did it right? (Were you, Little Mrs Me-Too? If so, how about a full admission that you were wrong at the time, and explain what - belatedly - made you change your outdated views?)

We "continue a fight together" - by shifting attention away from the way the LGBT community was effected (which the Clintons did very little to help) to Sub-Saharan Africa (where there are way more infected heteros and way more homophobes, so of course the Clintons are helping).

"This issue matters to me deeply" - hence my praise for the bitch who wanted to let the gay cancer work its genocidal magic. It's a mistake any true ally of the LGBT community could have made, right? I'm sure Bernie made some mistake too. Please someone try to be hurt by something Bernie actually said!

"If not for those advocates, activists, and ordinary, heroic people, we would not be where we are in preventing and treating HIV and AIDS. Their courage — and their refusal to accept silence as the status quo — saved lives." - So please vote for me: the status quo candidate par excellence! Let me be silent while you do the talking and the work.

"Slowly, too slowly, ignorance was crowded out by information. People who had once closed their eyes opened their hearts." - Except for me me me, because I was busy pandering to Reagan Democrats or whatever those aging DINO homophobes are called these days.

"Silence = Death" - I know that, which is why I acted as a hagiographer for the woman who deadpanned the conversation AIDS victims were desperate to start.


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Mrs Clinton, if I may give you some well-meant advice:

This stupid and over-the-top hurtful offense of yours has ripped open all the old wounds. DOMA DADT, "marriage is a sacred bond between man and woman", the whole record of vile bile you have campaigned on until 2013.

Halfheartedly admitting that the Reagan's do not deserve the distinction of starting the conversation on AIDS is hardly going to cut it, nor the "I have gay friends too / lost someone too".

If you want to reassure the LGBT community, you must understand that reputations come by foot, leave by horse, and return on their knees.

What little reputation you had ( "she will get things done&quot sped away on a derby-winning stallion yesterday. (Or was it a unicorn? Anyway, it's miles over the horizon now, and still accelerating. Because all those old wounds were ripped open too, you see?

If you care to win back your reputation, instead of taking gay votes for granted or writing them off like the millennials, consider this:

Make a speech with the core message: "I was wrong. Now I know better."
Make a speech where you denounce DADT as utterly wrong. Say how you have learned better.
Make a speech where you denounce DOMA. Just say Bill was wrong to sign it and wrong to campaign on it. He threw the gays under the bus; you must throw him under the bus. Gently, if you want to, but you must denounce his 1996 actions. Then you must say how wrong you were to support him in those actions, and what made you see the error of your ways.
Move on to marriage equality. Say why you were wrong to denounce it as recently as 2010, tell us what was your moment of epiphany, or when the first doubts started emerging in your mind, or whatever the process was that reshaped you bigoted mind into something palatable to the modern voter. You can even weave in some great feel-good story about your joy in 2015 when the gays won th right to marry in all of the USA. I mean, according to your twitter account you were overjoyed, so it shouldn't be too difficult for you to remember how momentous that moment was for you personally?

Get that all into one speech. "I was wrong; now I know better."

And then say how dreadfully sorry you were for that offensive remark. Denounce the Reagans. I'm sorry, but you'll have to throw that ugly-hearted gay-hater Nancy under the bus too. Denounce her silence.
And as for yourself, Mrs Clinton: don't just make some noise. Make sense.

Regards,

A very angry Betty.

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An irrevocably lost voter? SFnomad Mar 2016 #1
Go back a year, and I would have been wide open to overtures on her part. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #3
Really? leftofcool Mar 2016 #42
She lacks common courtesy SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #63
Right now, I certainly do. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #68
So, no response on substance, then? Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #6
As opposed to the deep substance of your insults? mythology Mar 2016 #19
I'm not trying to refute the OP. Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #61
Clearly Hillary has your vote. Is there ANYTHING she could do to lose it? BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #7
What Hillary supporters don't seem to understand is that she has to earn our vote. She has to give jillan Mar 2016 #9
What Hillary supporters fail to understand is that "Hillary because...woman" is not sufficient Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #26
You just contradicted yourself. radiclib Mar 2016 #33
There will be other candidates on the ballot. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #37
Not a contradiction. I will not support her. Voting against the GOP does not equal support. jillan Mar 2016 #38
LOL, says the person with 35 posts! nt Logical Mar 2016 #10
35 posts SFnomad Mar 2016 #11
this place gets trolled alot, SFNomad. Low count thugs often come here and make mischief. roguevalley Mar 2016 #17
So now I'm being lumped in with "low count thugs" SFnomad Mar 2016 #22
Your ploy does not function here. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #25
Actually - Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #27
One small part of the premise? SFnomad Mar 2016 #34
Did you even READ Betty's post? Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #35
You have been around long enough to read most of her/his/Betty's posts? No. DhhD Mar 2016 #43
and since you don't know them you could be wrong roguevalley Mar 2016 #44
no, clown. I was explaining that posters remark roguevalley Mar 2016 #40
Clown? SFnomad Mar 2016 #56
Because that really sounded like a "thug" Kittycat Mar 2016 #28
I knew you would say that. I said some do this and roguevalley Mar 2016 #39
You knew I would. Okay. Kittycat Mar 2016 #50
You've been a member for over seven years, posted less than 50 times and sarge43 Mar 2016 #47
you're probably right dlwickham Mar 2016 #62
Well, durn... chervilant Mar 2016 #64
I cannot add anything to your excellent post except K&R. Thank you! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #2
You are most welcome. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #74
Well said azretired Mar 2016 #4
Righteous! Bravo and so so very true Arazi Mar 2016 #5
Betty, even if Hillary made that speech you want BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #8
That is true. But she ought to try nevertheless. nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #24
Hillary's name means more in the LGBT community than Bernie's. We never heard of him before 2015. Metric System Mar 2016 #12
What we heard from Clinton before 2013 didn't make us happy, Metric. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #13
And yet he was defending lgbt rights for 30 some years Voice for Peace Mar 2016 #14
so metric system, how about googling his decades long efforts? And I don't think because you might roguevalley Mar 2016 #18
To my utter gay amazement n/t ejbr Mar 2016 #20
Who the fuck do you think you're speaking for??? ibegurpard Mar 2016 #30
TOLD! Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #59
Well I had heard of him through Jesse Jackson's campaigns. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #31
The well-trodden "never heard of him" cop out Laughing Mirror Mar 2016 #41
You are arguing with the person who called Hillary a homophobe. leftofcool Mar 2016 #45
I heard quite a bit about HRC before 2013, you know Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2016 #66
{shifty eyes} Not sure if sarcasm or really a HRC supporter. {/shifty eyes} Matt_R Mar 2016 #67
I did elljay Mar 2016 #54
Then I guess you never paid attention to politics. HERVEPA Mar 2016 #57
WE? Speak for yourself, you do not speak for the GLBT Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #58
all those old wounds were ripped open too, you see? Kalidurga Mar 2016 #15
I'm sorry for your loss. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #16
I am sorry my aunt had to go through that Kalidurga Mar 2016 #48
Yes, HRC's weather vane zentrum Mar 2016 #21
As the weather vane spins. Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #23
... Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #29
Thanks for those sweet words. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #69
Clinton would be utterly incapable TM99 Mar 2016 #32
You are very correct. I am still just trying to digest that anyone in our Party could think such a Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #36
I think I just threw up. So was she the one who nudged Obama to invite Warren Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #70
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz leftofcool Mar 2016 #46
Yes, that is about as serious as anyone on Clinton's side takes LGBT issues. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #71
1991- ACT-UP Protest at Bush's Home in Kennebunkport Maine Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #51
K.R 99Forever Mar 2016 #52
You know Betty, your right.... markj757 Mar 2016 #53
blah blah blah fear the scary boogeyman. Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #60
like I wrote..... markj757 Mar 2016 #65
The lesser of two evil is still evil. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #73
Do you know when you lost this argument? Right here: Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #72
to say I lost that argument...... markj757 Mar 2016 #75
Your entitled and arrogant worldview must be a great comfort to you. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #76
A little commentary about Nancy, Ronnie and Bonzo. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #55
thanks Betty for the morning tears floppyboo Mar 2016 #77
We will mourn the losses, for they are many. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #78
Betty: Fact over 25000 Americans were dead. Protalker Mar 2016 #79
Bernie will win the nomination, then crush whichever loon heads the GOP ticket. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #80
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